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Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2025, 04:21 PM - Edit history (1)
The MSM is only mentioning 5% of the content.
There is about 50% that rather mundane
but the rest makes you squirm. There was some creepy shit going there, and the birthday book is just a small glimpse behind the curtain.
For example the note from bill clinton
. Just weird.
UPDATE: for those thinking this was a hit job post targeting Clinton, well
you can all get stuffed. ALL I WAS SAYING WAS THAT IT WAS WEIRD.
That is all. And frankly it is - to me.
Many of you may think its completely harmless. Just a matter of coincidence. I think that is also an equal possibility. But then equally

Irish_Dem
(75,124 posts)Who can commit any crime they want and get away with it.
writerJT
(467 posts)Epstein, Dershowitz, Mandelson, Wexner, Zuckerman .
Stargazer99
(3,315 posts)Im guessing because hes in the book.
Johonny
(24,705 posts)Particularly those in NYC social circles. Not every letter is disgusting, but many are.

The Guardian has a better transcription than the KOMO article
A Clinton spokesperson declined to comment to the Journal, instead referring the paper to a previous statement from the ex-president, saying he had cut ties with Epstein more than a decade before his arrest and was not aware of Epsteins crimes.
https://archive.ph/CIUnT#selection-1413.0-1413.245

Caption: Bill Clinton meeting Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell in the White House (1993)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Bill_Clinton_and_Jeffrey_Epstein
niyad
(127,384 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:17 PM - Edit history (1)
And I think you misunderstood the "seriously". It wasn't a question of whether Bill was one of those writing, but that particular poster's clueless response about why Bill was specifically, and solely, mentioned.
LeftInTX
(34,006 posts)Layzeebeaver
(2,041 posts)My response was not clueless.
I refuse to repost the book.
Find it and Read it yourself.
niyad
(127,384 posts)senseandsensibility
(23,910 posts)but the word they transcribed as "Illegible" actually was legible. It is "errors" for anyone who's interested.
Layzeebeaver
(2,041 posts)maxrandb
(16,849 posts)I'll take Russian Troll for $2K Alex
Dave says
(5,246 posts)was a boring boilerplate driven, nothing burger. Nothing indicating real friendship.
LeftInTX
(34,006 posts)People like Epstein are complicated. Obviously, he must have done some good since many were associated with him, but there was also the dark belly. I don't think it was like, "Here's Epstein, come to his orgy island". He had productive professional relationships and then this dark side. When did it switch? How did it switch? Was the dark side independent of the professional side? It's so weird and I think a book needs to be written about him. I'm sure there already are....
obamanut2012
(28,830 posts)mercuryblues
(15,866 posts)niyad
(127,384 posts)the least you could do is actually post it. Otherwise, that line looks very much like a smear job.
So often this particular kind of left/right bias is left alone. The both siderisms of too many news outlets prejudices people against the very facts that need to be pointed to. Again, thanks.
niyad
(127,384 posts)Layzeebeaver
(2,041 posts)Im not going to post it.
niyad
(127,384 posts)it, taking less time than it took you to type your response to me. Since you deliberately chose innuendo and provocation, your demonstrated intent is all too clear. But do keep trying, we can all use the amusement.
Layzeebeaver
(2,041 posts)It struck me strange.
That is all.
Ill let each of you draw your own conclusions after reading it for yourselves.
Proximity is not collusion. But proximity can draw or tempt pre-conclusions.
We have no other facts. Only the page in the book.
Read it and draw your own conclusions
obamanut2012
(28,830 posts)Seriously, answer: why?
Layzeebeaver
(2,041 posts)dlk
(12,954 posts)Not sure the bothsiderism with BillClinton was necessary, though, when Republicans have taken depravity to an entirely new level.
surfered
(9,320 posts)llmart
(16,848 posts)what the "note for bill clinton" was?
niyad
(127,384 posts)by another DU'er.
llmart
(16,848 posts)niyad
(127,384 posts)Tommy Carcetti
(44,208 posts)Epstein had done some financing work for the Clinton Foundation and had offered his plane for Foundation travel (as the Foundation lacked a plane of its own). Bill Clinton has never, ever denied this fact, and this was long before the worst allegations regarding Epstein were known.
The purpose of this book was for Epstein--a narcissist--to be able to brag about his self-perceived wealth, power and sexual prowess.
In terms of business connections, knowing a former US President is as good as you can get. So getting that President to write a short, two sentence blurb as part of a brag book would have been a no-brainer.
Clinton wrote notes all the time to people he knew to various degrees, or didn't even know at all. I actually have a thank you note that Clinton wrote to my grandfather; in 1992 after Clinton's victory, my grandfather had sent him a desk staff he had made as a gift, and Clinton wrote a handsigned note in response.
So Epstein did some work for the Clinton Foundation and lent his plane to the Foundation. The two were business acquaintances but there's nothing to suggest they were close friends (as it clearly seems Epstein and Trump were).
The note was basically the equivalent of a cameo video.
Unlike Trump's weird and cryptic letter and drawing, Clinton's note was innocuous and generic. The only part that looks any way remotely bad is when Clinton described Epstein as having a "childlike curiosity," a choice of words that in hindsight is rather regretable.
But beyond that, there's nothing to suggest anything unusual about Clinton's inclusion.
Wiz Imp
(7,351 posts)Jeffrey - Happy 50th - Its reassuring isnt it, to have lasted as long, across all the years of learning and knowing, adventures and [illegible word], and also to have your childlike curiosity, the drive to make a difference and the solace of friends.
That's it. A very brief, single sentence, hand written.
I see nothing weird or creepy there.
It can be found on page 126 here.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26086390-jeffey-epstein-50th-birthday-book/
EYESORE 9001
(29,056 posts)Childlike curiosity sounds a bit sus to my ear. Easily construed as. curious about children.
mzmolly
(52,466 posts)is more telling.
EYESORE 9001
(29,056 posts)niyad
(127,384 posts)of pedorapist epstein, and had a very positive meaning.
Without the Epstein connection, I could see it being used as a positive to anyone who, like most kids, is interested and fascinated by many diverse things.
Having read the NYT article on his connection to Chase Bank, one early point they make is that Epstein was a collector of people. From those referenced later in the article, it seemed that he enjoyed the company of innovative, clever people in addition to many with power, wealth or status.
Reading that article, it is clear Chase intentionally had a blind eye to many red flags that should have been reported earlier because he was able to connect them to people who made a lot of money for them. It also makes it clear that his connections to powerful people was what gave people the excuse to overlook things they should have been suspicious of.
Here, Clinton was, to some degree, a victim of Epstein wanting the prestige of closeness to a former President. Offering his plane for use of the Clinton Foundation, which was unquestionably doing good work was both a genuine contribution to the foundation and a connection that added to the powerful people that others saw around Epstein.
Why a victim? There is absolutely no information that implicates Clinton in anything directly or in knowing there was anything wrong. Yet from internet accusations even though no victim has accused Clinton and the Comer subpoenas, he has been smeared by the association.
Wiz Imp
(7,351 posts)Childlike curiosity is a common phrase that has nothing to do with being curious about children. The phrase has been used to describe many famous people including Albert Einstein, Marie Curie, Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Clinton himself. you wouldn't think twice about it being used to describe anyone else and there is zero evidence Clinton had any knowledge of Epstein's activities.
Disaffected
(5,888 posts)Reading something into it that's not there and, seeing something into it from photos.....
still-prayin4rain
(505 posts)at a minimum, that the most famous sexual abuser of children of all time was described as having a childlike curiosity.
llmart
(16,848 posts)"Childlike curiosity" is actually used to describe people who are curious about the world around them and adventurous. It's not a derogatory phrase and there was no innuendo implied.
niyad
(127,384 posts)Jim__
(14,935 posts)Hotler
(13,437 posts)a revolving door and everyone going in sees who is coming out. That's why no one rats on anyone. Remember the Franklin cover up and the stories of young boys going in and out of the White house back door back in 1989?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2003/02/06/15709461.php
file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Gay%20History%201989%20Prostitution%20scandal%20Washington%20DC.pdf
Torchlight
(5,698 posts)His September is going to be worse than his August.
walkingman
(9,856 posts)they are creeps. I don't care who they were. And I also think it is important to follow the money trail.
"Laws are like spiderwebs: they catch the weak and poor, but the rich can rip right through them."
yourout
(8,595 posts)That will tell you much and likely point at some very power full men across the globe.
maxrandb
(16,849 posts)into a vagina....so there is that
Sogo
(6,631 posts)
Layzeebeaver
(2,041 posts)Just to be clear.