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Layzeebeaver

(2,041 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:44 AM Sep 10

I've read through the entire Epstein birthday book...

Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2025, 04:21 PM - Edit history (1)

The MSM is only mentioning 5% of the content.

There is about 50% that rather mundane… but the rest makes you squirm. There was some creepy shit going there, and the birthday book is just a small glimpse behind the curtain.

For example the note from bill clinton…. Just weird.

UPDATE: for those thinking this was a “hit job” post targeting Clinton, well… you can all get stuffed. ALL I WAS SAYING WAS THAT IT WAS “WEIRD”.

That is all. And frankly it is - to me.

Many of you may think it’s completely harmless. Just a matter of coincidence. I think that is also an equal possibility. But then equally…

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I've read through the entire Epstein birthday book... (Original Post) Layzeebeaver Sep 10 OP
The birthday book is a testimony to the out in the open depravity of rich white males. Irish_Dem Sep 10 #1
Oh, definitely writerJT Sep 10 #3
Why do you mention just Bill Clinton? Stargazer99 Sep 10 #2
Um DiceK Sep 10 #4
Seriously??? niyad Sep 10 #6
Maxwell asked a lot of famous people to write letters Johonny Sep 10 #24
Yes LeftInTX Sep 10 #41
Dear Goddess, that was practically illegible. niyad Sep 10 #42
I updated the post with a better transcription from the Guardian. LeftInTX Sep 10 #43
Read it yourself. Layzeebeaver Sep 10 #48
remdi95 niyad Sep 10 #53
Clinton's writing is nearly illegible so I was glad to see a transcript senseandsensibility Sep 10 #46
You betcha! Layzeebeaver Sep 10 #22
I don't know, but joined in 2019...seems to have a "Clinton fixation" maxrandb Sep 10 #29
My understanding is the Clinton entry ... Dave says Sep 10 #34
It's a nothing burger. But Epstein was a significant contributor to the Clinton Foundation LeftInTX Sep 10 #45
Noticed that, too obamanut2012 Sep 10 #38
They are concerned, aren't they? mercuryblues Sep 10 #40
You know, if you are going to single out Bill Clinton in that incendiary way, niyad Sep 10 #5
thank you nyad jaymac Sep 10 #7
You are most welcome. niyad Sep 10 #17
You can download the entire book Layzeebeaver Sep 10 #23
You specifically singled out Bill Clinton, so you could have easily posted niyad Sep 10 #32
He's in there. A page of his own. Layzeebeaver Sep 10 #47
The why mention Clinton without ZERO CONTEXT? obamanut2012 Sep 10 #39
I did Layzeebeaver Sep 10 #52
No doubt, you felt like you needed a shower after reading it dlk Sep 10 #8
Thank you for your sacrifice. . surfered Sep 10 #9
Why don't you explain to those of us who didn't read it all... llmart Sep 10 #10
An implied hit job on Bill Clinton, since the actual, brief note was posted niyad Sep 10 #33
Thanks. I didn't see that. llmart Sep 10 #36
You are most welcome. niyad Sep 10 #37
For better context re: Clinton, the book was from 2003. Tommy Carcetti Sep 10 #11
Clinton's note said the following. Wiz Imp Sep 10 #12
I dunno EYESORE 9001 Sep 10 #14
Wonderful secret mzmolly Sep 10 #15
Agreed EYESORE 9001 Sep 10 #16
The phrase "childlike curiosity" was in common use long before the perversions niyad Sep 10 #19
I agree karynnj Sep 10 #31
You're reading something into it that just isn't there. Wiz Imp Sep 10 #21
That is an all to common affliction here. Disaffected Sep 10 #25
Out of the thousands of ways to describe a person, it's an uncanny coincidence, still-prayin4rain Sep 10 #50
Not to me. llmart Sep 10 #35
Thank you for posting it so there is no confusion. niyad Sep 10 #18
If Clinton had said anything creepy, the Republicans would have blasted it out immediately. Jim__ Sep 10 #28
I've always thought that there is a an underground river of perversion that runs through Washington and it has Hotler Sep 10 #13
This looks really, really bad for Mr. trump Torchlight Sep 10 #20
IMO, If (a big if) anyone knew this guy was a pedophile and still remained friends walkingman Sep 10 #26
Follow the money indeed... yourout Sep 10 #27
At least Clinton didn't turn his signature maxrandb Sep 10 #30
LOL...Good one! Sogo Sep 10 #44
I updated the OP Layzeebeaver Sep 10 #49
I agree with you 100%. Pretty GD big coincidence in that choice of words. still-prayin4rain Sep 10 #51

Irish_Dem

(75,124 posts)
1. The birthday book is a testimony to the out in the open depravity of rich white males.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 06:11 AM
Sep 10

Who can commit any crime they want and get away with it.

Johonny

(24,705 posts)
24. Maxwell asked a lot of famous people to write letters
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:29 AM
Sep 10

Particularly those in NYC social circles. Not every letter is disgusting, but many are.

LeftInTX

(34,006 posts)
41. Yes
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:42 PM
Sep 10
https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/bill-clinton-allegedly-contributed-to-epstein-birthday-book-letter-among-other-documents-james-comer-estate-oversight-committee-presidnet-donald-trump-robert-garcia



The Guardian has a better transcription than the KOMO article
“It’s reassuring isn’t it, to have lasted as long, across all the years of learning and knowing, adventures and [illegible word], and also to have your childlike curiosity, the drive to make a difference and the solace of friends.”


A Clinton spokesperson declined to comment to the Journal, instead referring the paper to a previous statement from the ex-president, saying he had cut ties with Epstein more than a decade before his arrest and was not aware of Epstein’s crimes.

https://archive.ph/CIUnT#selection-1413.0-1413.245




Caption: Bill Clinton meeting Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell in the White House (1993)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Bill_Clinton_and_Jeffrey_Epstein

niyad

(127,384 posts)
42. Dear Goddess, that was practically illegible.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:53 PM
Sep 10

Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:17 PM - Edit history (1)

And I think you misunderstood the "seriously". It wasn't a question of whether Bill was one of those writing, but that particular poster's clueless response about why Bill was specifically, and solely, mentioned.

Layzeebeaver

(2,041 posts)
48. Read it yourself.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 04:12 PM
Sep 10

My response was not clueless.

I refuse to repost the book.

Find it and Read it yourself.

senseandsensibility

(23,910 posts)
46. Clinton's writing is nearly illegible so I was glad to see a transcript
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 02:44 PM
Sep 10

but the word they transcribed as "Illegible" actually was legible. It is "errors" for anyone who's interested.

maxrandb

(16,849 posts)
29. I don't know, but joined in 2019...seems to have a "Clinton fixation"
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:20 PM
Sep 10

I'll take Russian Troll for $2K Alex

Dave says

(5,246 posts)
34. My understanding is the Clinton entry ...
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:58 PM
Sep 10

… was a boring boilerplate driven, nothing burger. Nothing indicating real friendship.

LeftInTX

(34,006 posts)
45. It's a nothing burger. But Epstein was a significant contributor to the Clinton Foundation
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 02:05 PM
Sep 10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Bill_Clinton_and_Jeffrey_Epstein

People like Epstein are complicated. Obviously, he must have done some good since many were associated with him, but there was also the dark belly. I don't think it was like, "Here's Epstein, come to his orgy island". He had productive professional relationships and then this dark side. When did it switch? How did it switch? Was the dark side independent of the professional side? It's so weird and I think a book needs to be written about him. I'm sure there already are....

niyad

(127,384 posts)
5. You know, if you are going to single out Bill Clinton in that incendiary way,
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:19 AM
Sep 10

the least you could do is actually post it. Otherwise, that line looks very much like a smear job.

jaymac

(47 posts)
7. thank you nyad
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:26 AM
Sep 10

So often this particular kind of left/right bias is left alone. The both siderisms of too many news outlets prejudices people against the very facts that need to be pointed to. Again, thanks.

niyad

(127,384 posts)
32. You specifically singled out Bill Clinton, so you could have easily posted
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:51 PM
Sep 10

it, taking less time than it took you to type your response to me. Since you deliberately chose innuendo and provocation, your demonstrated intent is all too clear. But do keep trying, we can all use the amusement.

Layzeebeaver

(2,041 posts)
47. He's in there. A page of his own.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 04:09 PM
Sep 10

It struck me strange.

That is all.

I’ll let each of you draw your own conclusions after reading it for yourselves.

Proximity is not collusion. But proximity can draw or tempt pre-conclusions.

We have no other facts. Only the page in the book.

Read it and draw your own conclusions

dlk

(12,954 posts)
8. No doubt, you felt like you needed a shower after reading it
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:32 AM
Sep 10

Not sure the bothsiderism with BillClinton was necessary, though, when Republicans have taken depravity to an entirely new level.

llmart

(16,848 posts)
10. Why don't you explain to those of us who didn't read it all...
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:43 AM
Sep 10

what the "note for bill clinton" was?

niyad

(127,384 posts)
33. An implied hit job on Bill Clinton, since the actual, brief note was posted
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:53 PM
Sep 10

by another DU'er.

Tommy Carcetti

(44,208 posts)
11. For better context re: Clinton, the book was from 2003.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:50 AM
Sep 10

Epstein had done some financing work for the Clinton Foundation and had offered his plane for Foundation travel (as the Foundation lacked a plane of its own). Bill Clinton has never, ever denied this fact, and this was long before the worst allegations regarding Epstein were known.

The purpose of this book was for Epstein--a narcissist--to be able to brag about his self-perceived wealth, power and sexual prowess.

In terms of business connections, knowing a former US President is as good as you can get. So getting that President to write a short, two sentence blurb as part of a brag book would have been a no-brainer.

Clinton wrote notes all the time to people he knew to various degrees, or didn't even know at all. I actually have a thank you note that Clinton wrote to my grandfather; in 1992 after Clinton's victory, my grandfather had sent him a desk staff he had made as a gift, and Clinton wrote a handsigned note in response.

So Epstein did some work for the Clinton Foundation and lent his plane to the Foundation. The two were business acquaintances but there's nothing to suggest they were close friends (as it clearly seems Epstein and Trump were).

The note was basically the equivalent of a cameo video.

Unlike Trump's weird and cryptic letter and drawing, Clinton's note was innocuous and generic. The only part that looks any way remotely bad is when Clinton described Epstein as having a "childlike curiosity," a choice of words that in hindsight is rather regretable.

But beyond that, there's nothing to suggest anything unusual about Clinton's inclusion.

Wiz Imp

(7,351 posts)
12. Clinton's note said the following.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:50 AM
Sep 10

“Jeffrey - Happy 50th - It’s reassuring isn’t it, to have lasted as long, across all the years of learning and knowing, adventures and [illegible word], and also to have your childlike curiosity, the drive to make a difference and the solace of friends.”

That's it. A very brief, single sentence, hand written.

I see nothing weird or creepy there.

It can be found on page 126 here.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26086390-jeffey-epstein-50th-birthday-book/

EYESORE 9001

(29,056 posts)
14. I dunno
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:18 AM
Sep 10

‘Childlike curiosity’ sounds a bit sus to my ear. Easily construed as. ‘curious about children’.

niyad

(127,384 posts)
19. The phrase "childlike curiosity" was in common use long before the perversions
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:57 AM
Sep 10

of pedorapist epstein, and had a very positive meaning.

karynnj

(60,555 posts)
31. I agree
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:35 PM
Sep 10

Without the Epstein connection, I could see it being used as a positive to anyone who, like most kids, is interested and fascinated by many diverse things.

Having read the NYT article on his connection to Chase Bank, one early point they make is that Epstein was a collector of people. From those referenced later in the article, it seemed that he enjoyed the company of innovative, clever people in addition to many with power, wealth or status.

Reading that article, it is clear Chase intentionally had a blind eye to many red flags that should have been reported earlier because he was able to connect them to people who made a lot of money for them. It also makes it clear that his connections to powerful people was what gave people the excuse to overlook things they should have been suspicious of.

Here, Clinton was, to some degree, a victim of Epstein wanting the prestige of closeness to a former President. Offering his plane for use of the Clinton Foundation, which was unquestionably doing good work was both a genuine contribution to the foundation and a connection that added to the powerful people that others saw around Epstein.

Why a victim? There is absolutely no information that implicates Clinton in anything directly or in knowing there was anything wrong. Yet from internet accusations even though no victim has accused Clinton and the Comer subpoenas, he has been smeared by the association.

Wiz Imp

(7,351 posts)
21. You're reading something into it that just isn't there.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:21 AM
Sep 10

Childlike curiosity is a common phrase that has nothing to do with being curious about children. The phrase has been used to describe many famous people including Albert Einstein, Marie Curie, Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Clinton himself. you wouldn't think twice about it being used to describe anyone else and there is zero evidence Clinton had any knowledge of Epstein's activities.

Disaffected

(5,888 posts)
25. That is an all to common affliction here.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:37 AM
Sep 10

Reading something into it that's not there and, seeing something into it from photos.....

still-prayin4rain

(505 posts)
50. Out of the thousands of ways to describe a person, it's an uncanny coincidence,
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 04:25 PM
Sep 10

at a minimum, that the most famous sexual abuser of children of all time was described as having a childlike curiosity.

llmart

(16,848 posts)
35. Not to me.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:13 PM
Sep 10

"Childlike curiosity" is actually used to describe people who are curious about the world around them and adventurous. It's not a derogatory phrase and there was no innuendo implied.

Jim__

(14,935 posts)
28. If Clinton had said anything creepy, the Republicans would have blasted it out immediately.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:12 PM
Sep 10

Hotler

(13,437 posts)
13. I've always thought that there is a an underground river of perversion that runs through Washington and it has
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:51 AM
Sep 10

a revolving door and everyone going in sees who is coming out. That's why no one rats on anyone. Remember the Franklin cover up and the stories of young boys going in and out of the White house back door back in 1989?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2003/02/06/15709461.php

file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Gay%20History%201989%20Prostitution%20scandal%20Washington%20DC.pdf

Torchlight

(5,698 posts)
20. This looks really, really bad for Mr. trump
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:01 AM
Sep 10

His September is going to be worse than his August.

walkingman

(9,856 posts)
26. IMO, If (a big if) anyone knew this guy was a pedophile and still remained friends
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:02 PM
Sep 10

they are creeps. I don't care who they were. And I also think it is important to follow the money trail.

"Laws are like spiderwebs: they catch the weak and poor, but the rich can rip right through them."

yourout

(8,595 posts)
27. Follow the money indeed...
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:08 PM
Sep 10

That will tell you much and likely point at some very power full men across the globe.

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