How many entities and people at high levels were involved in the crimes and cover up.

When fully exposed (I'm naively assuming the whole thing won't be covered up), the extent of the Epstein case will shock even the most jaded observers.

I firmly believe some of it will be classified due to national security issues.

than public shaming.

The more crimes committed the more the adoration.

This is something much bigger. It involves loads of international money laundering. And it involves extortion of some of the most wealthy and powerful people in the world. And it involves selling that kompromat.

The sex was probably just for fun at the start, developed into sex trafficking, then developed into a web of clients who were particularly interested in screwing young girls, and voila -- with a few well-placed cameras, you now have a kompromat machine. I doubt this was a well-crafted business plan from the outset, but ultimately it ended up in billions of dollars changing hands.

Do some simple arithmetic. If a billion dollars changes hands, it is not about the sex. You can get as much sex as you want for a lot less than that. It is about the extortion and the money laundering and the buying of foreign policy in exchange for young sex on a private island.

Well, when you're being extorted, every penny counts!

no evidence of extortion, at least not in any record. But there is plenty of evidence that access to underage girls made those in finance prone to make deals on better terms. This was a "good old boys" global network.

because there is a very determined cover-up underway.

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of what you think is "evidence." I've got an open mind. I am curious what you think of as "evidence," as I have not seen any. The fact that the files are being hidden by the felon is beyond debate. But there are other likely reasons for that behavior.

I will happily oblige you with the things I am aware of that are important facts, reports, or credible claims.

If you are asking for evidence that can survive a court case, that is where the cover-up comes into play.

We know all the essential facts. Connecting them into a winning court case is difficult because the cover-up is a strong one. And it doesn't really matter because the SCOTUS has already given Trump complete immunity, so there is no point in insisting on a "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

Extortion. The "plenty of evidence." Just start with the one bit of evidence that you know of.

Did you miss the parade of CEOs lining up at the White House to give Trump their gifts of gold last week? Did you miss all the "contributions to the Inauguration Ball Fund" that just happened to correlate with companies Trump has threatened to punish? You don't seem very well informed. If you genuinely are interested in understanding what is going on, then I will be happy to help you. But if you are just here to argue, I really don't have the time.

Here's a good starting point.

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/8/20/trump_profit

are here quite a bit.

Perhaps you are unaware that what the felon has done since 2025 is not in the Epstein files -- you know, the ones you said had evidence of extortion. That might be because you don't know presidential history. JFK used pressure on the steel industry, LBJ pressured those in Congress. Both of those examples were done for the good of the country, which is obviously very different from when the felon does it for his own selfish agenda. But none of thm are extortion. Words have actual meanings.

While I found the gold gift disgusting -- in fact, far more so than you, because I understand it -- it is not extortion, but rather, one of the signs found in failing empires. It is part of the internal decay documented in Erich Fromm's 1973 classic "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness." But if you think the felon's 2025 actions are "evidence" of extortion in the Epstein files, I think that book would be way over your head.

than "just" a sex scandal, it is true. But the sex scandal is an important feature.

But this is not a sex scandal, per se. Epstein had a private island for Chrissakes. He had cameras everywhere, reportedly even had a tech crew. This was a Kompromat operation. The saex was the bait.

But if treating it as a sex scandal is what is necessary for the media to remain interested, then so be it.

No need to go to such lengths to hide what happens everyday with no consequences.

The child rapes are the tip of the iceberg.

His own private island.

Reportedly 1000 clients all from the upper strata worldwide.

And then he hangs himself at the exact moment that video is turned off.

1000 FBI agents deployed to scrub Trump's name from the files.

Tip of the iceberg indeed.

But it is all fact, and there is more to it than we even yet realize.

I know that would be in violation of more than one law...but when did that stop them?

The rich and powerful are used to committing as many crimes as they want with no consequences.

And the best criminals don't break the law.
They make the law.

I think this is much bigger and far worse than most people have imagined. I am prepared to be very surprised.

to get dirt on powerful people in order to compromise them. Makes me wonder what hold Putin and Bibi have over Krasnov for Krasnov to humiliate himself by fluffing those two in public.

I've always believed that blackmail was the whole point of the operation. Trump provided the girls through his pageants; he and Epstein shared the profits.

...was what kept Lindsay Graham in line.

The flip flops and groveling tell the story.

*. It was the largest international child sex trafficking ring in history.

*. Trump was an active participant in the ring: in raping the girls, using his plane to transport
the victims, paying for sex, buying and or selling girls with Epstein, and he was making
money on the sex trafficking operations too.

*. Putin/Russia helped to supply girls for the sex trafficking ring from Russia, Eastern Europe,
and other places. Putin was well aware of Trump’s sexual and water sports predilections before
he got the the 2013 pee pee tapes of Trump in Moscow.

*. Both Israel and Russia used the sex trafficking operation to get kompromat on Trump and
other rich and powerful men.

*. Multiple intelligence agencies had to have known what was going on.

*. Multiple banks had to be aware of what was going on.

*. Blackmail was a big money maker for Epstein and Maxwell.

*. Epstein being Les Wexner’s financial advisor tells me that he had the goods on Wexner and
that Epstein not only provided girls and women to his “clients” but with men and boys too.

*. With Melania’s background in being a sex worker in some way or another she had to have
knownwhat Epstein was up to and what Trump was doing with Epstein’s girls.

*. Maxwell helped to recruit, train, and sexually assaulted many of the girls who were trafficked.
She is a convicted sex trafficker, a convicted child rapist, and a convicted perjurer who is not
to be trusted.

*. For Trump’s birthday letter to Epstein to be fake and planted by democrats it would have had
to be planted 22 years ago with what is undeniably Trump’s signature on it.

*. If any democrat had done 1/100 of those crimes: rapes, blackmail, money laundering and transportation of under age women for prostitution we would never hear the end of it.

*. Epstein died hours after he spoke of his of Trump’s plane and Donald flying on his.

*. The system is so rigged that Trump is going to walk away from all of this shit unscathed.

You should make it a stand alone OP.

You have hit the nail on the head over and over.

I think Putin has a bigger hand in all of than we realize yet.

Yes I think Trump will skate.
Too many powerful and rich people who must cover it up.
And they are not covering up the sex scandal.
It is all the other stuff you list.

I also think there are national security issues.

We can assume that Epstein obtained whatever the rich and powerful men wanted.
Whatever their depravity demanded.

He is dodging so much w/ the help of SCOTUS.

I wish he were held accountable for all he has done to destroy this county. Let's start with an insurrection on January 6th.

But if the Epstein case is what takes him down...I'll take it.

Clinically it is highly likely that child rape was not the only crime being committed.

There could have been kidnapping along with the trafficking?
I think some victims are saying they were held against their will.

Also some rapists are sadists as well as sexual offenders.

We know that Trump and Putin are sadists.
They enjoy and get off on cruelty.

So some of these rich powerful men may have been beating up, torturing, hurting the
children as well as rape.

I believe there were also adult women as victims.

Basically the rich and powerful men could get whatever their dark hearts desired on the island.
Also booze and drugs were part of the equation as well.

violence and it could be like a scene out of Godfather 2 when the Senator from Nevada
finds a dead prostitute in bed with him and then Tom Hagen the mob family lawyer comes
in and tells the Senator not to worry.
Tom Hagen, “It was like she never existed."

Epstein’s sex trafficking network was huge and world wide with hundreds if not thousands of
both girls and boys working as sex slaves. I betya Putin could make people disappear too.

There was a vast global network. Many child and adult victims of violent crimes.
Statistically likely some of these young people were killed deliberately, by accident,
or neglect. Yes suicide is likely as well.

And if you are gathering kompromat/blackmail material you probably want
more than sexual assault pictures and video.

Usually predators identify children who are homeless, unprotected, no family,
no resources. That way when they disappear no one notices or cares.

…. just disappears into an international human trafficking operation and they are never seen again.
It could be a boy too. It was one massive mobbed up operation. Get video of some pro life
anti gay republican politician or some banker having sex and then killing some young boy or
girl and you can own them for life.

Trump has something on Lindsey Graham of that you can be sure. And no doubt Putin has
dirt on Trump. I wonder what they got on a lot of Republicans such as Mike Johnson or Ron
Johnson?

Epstein was a brilliant manipulator with connections to various bad actors
to enrich and empower himself.

Putin is old school KGB and was out for pure vengeance against the US
and the goal of bringing down US democracy and world standing.

Rich powerful men having sex isn't enough blackmail material to achieve their goals.

Yes what do they have on Lindsey G? I have long suspected him of an ongoing
affair with another important GOP official. But yes perhaps other stuff as well.

Yes all the hyper religious GOP leaders are most likely to do bad things.
And I wonder what Putin has on the US Supreme Court justices.
Thomas and Kavanaugh are the obvious ones. Alito as well.
But all roads go back to Roberts. He is in charge of the Supreme Court traitors.

… try out and is told she is perfect and induced to take a ride on Epstein’s Lolita Express
and is never heard from again after she ends up as a sex slave on Epstein Island and ends
up dead from suicide or drowning or violence and her body ends up a shark food or Putin
or Erik Prince makes her disappear.

There is no family who cares.
Or family is threatened or paid off.

No evidence.
Nothing we can prove.

But statistically and clinically quite likely given the facts of this criminal operation.
And the ruthless brutal psychopaths in charge and those who used the services.

Child predators and serial killers have an uncanny knack for identifying potential victims.
Who have no family or parents around or who care about their kids.

Florida by 2003 knew Epstein was a pedo, joked about it, and that Trump was involved in that circle and mentioned . . .

The letter paint Epstein as an awful person.

going to find out.

What they can't get is the silence of the victims and necessary witnesses. Even a paid sex worker would be tempted to spill the beans because of the fame of some of Epstein's client. That's what Epstein provided. The silence from victims and witnesses.

Now, take this leap with me, to keep that silence requires more than pay offs, threats and black mail. It requires murder. Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

Why hasn't Epstein's Island been dug up for bodies? Every one of his properties need to be searched for dead bodies and evidence of murder. All his planes, palaces and yachts need to be forensically searched.

The reason Epstein wanted Les Wexner as a client was because of his super yacht. How handy to have that huge vessel while looking for places to dump bodies. All the yachts Epstein had access to should be thoroughly searched.

All of this conversation and the total lack of accountability is a dagger to the heart, an electrode to the brain, a never ending race of the heart. Won’t someone hold this monster accountable? For the sake of those who have suffered and continue to suffer bring justice. If we don’t address this now and bring justice we will forever be a jungle of abuse to the most fragile and innocent among us. If this is swept away again this dark cave of a country will never recover. I can’t speak to the recovery of the survivors. It’s not hopeful.

Trump's modeling agency was part of Jeffrey's pipeline:
https://www.motherjones.com

In the late 20th century, John Casablancas (founder of Elite Model Management) built the original model: turn teenage girls into glamorized assets. Jean-Luc Brunel took it international, founding MC2 and receiving at least $1 million from Jeffrey Epstein to expand operations. Paolo Zampolli cornered the visa angle, using U.S. immigration loopholes to bring in young foreign models — often from Eastern Europe and South America — under false pretenses.

In 1999, Donald Trump launched Trump Model Management. His agency followed the exact same pattern: bring girls in on tourist or “extraordinary talent” visas, overcrowd them in overpriced apartments, charge them for every service, and send them to work illegally while racking up debt they could never repay. Former models from his agency say they were instructed to lie to customs and start working immediately upon arrival.
Trump purchased the Miss USA, Miss Teen USA, and Miss Universe pageants — contests where he would later admit to entering dressing rooms unannounced. “I’ll go backstage before a show… and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant,” he told Howard Stern in a 2005 interview. “You know, they’re standing there with no clothes… and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

So I think it goes like this:
Trump and Epstein were pedos, but it was Epstein's business. Trump gets a chance to buy the Miss Universe / Miss Teen franchise, and then open a modelling agency, so now he a has a fresh supply of victims. He uses Melania (since she was a call girl) and Maxwell to groom the girls, and get them work at Mar a Logo, where they will be in contact with pedos. Soften them up, in Trump Speak.

Trump and Epstein have a human trafficking / pedo ring, mixed with money laundering - this accounts for that 1.1 billion Trump was depositing to Epstein's accounts in 4725 Transfers.

THIS is why Trump is frantic to stop the investigation. Not only pedophilia, not only international and domestic human trafficking, but a money laundering scheme, no doubt, with Putin. Don't forget that Putin bailed Trump out by giving him money through a shady Deuschbank loan, when no US bank would loan him money.

(2) Kelly Feuer, 12-years old, $1 million settlement paid in 1989,
allegations of forced intercourse, Trump Tower, NY, NY.

(3) Charles Bacon, 11-years old, $3 million, allegations of oral and anal intercourse, 1994, Trump Tower, NY,
NY.

(4) Rebecca Conway, 13-years old, intercourse and oral sex. Trump Vineyard Estates, Charlottesville, VA, 2012, $5 million settlement.

(5) Maria Olivera, 12-years old. Her family was paid $16 million to settle allegations of forcible intercourse occurring in Mar-a-Lago, Palm Beach, FL, 1993.

We either excise the cancer or die as a nation.