General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEpstein's international child sex trafficking operations had the following moving parts: (my suspicions)
*. It was the largest international child sex trafficking ring in history.
*. Trump was an active participant in the ring: in raping the girls, using his plane to transport
the victims, paying for sex, buying and or selling girls with Epstein, and he was making
money on the sex trafficking operations too.
*. Putin/Russia helped to supply girls for the sex trafficking ring from Russia, Eastern Europe,
and other places. Putin was well aware of Trumps sexual and water sports predilections before
he got the the 2013 pee pee tapes of Trump in Moscow.
*. Both Israel and Russia used the sex trafficking operation to get kompromat on Trump and
other rich and powerful men.
*. Multiple intelligence agencies had to have known what was going on.
*. Multiple banks had to be aware of what was going on.
*. Blackmail was a big money maker for Epstein and Maxwell.
*. Epstein being Les Wexners financial advisor tells me that he had the goods on Wexner and
that Epstein not only provided girls and women to his clients but with men and boys too.
*. With Melanias background in being a sex worker in some way or another she had to have
known what Epstein was up to and what Trump was doing with Epsteins girls.
*. Maxwell helped to recruit, train, and sexually assaulted many of the girls who were trafficked.
She is a convicted sex trafficker, a convicted child rapist, and a convicted perjurer who is not
to be trusted.
*. For Trumps birthday letter to Epstein to be fake and planted by democrats it would have had
to be planted 22 years ago with what is undeniably Trumps signature on it.
*. If any democrat had done 1/100 of those crimes: rapes, blackmail, money laundering and transportation of under age women for prostitution we would never hear the end of it.
*. Epstein died hours after he spoke of his and Trumps plane being used and Donald flying on his
plane too.
*. The system is so rigged that Trump is going to walk away from all of this shit unscathed.

EYESORE 9001
(29,047 posts)Heres to the intrepid individual who creates a coherent narrative from those data points.
gab13by13
(29,808 posts)of saying what is obvious, from past history, Krasnov is a sexual assaulter, a wife beater, a rapist, a pedophile - President of the United States, thanks to Elon Musk.
FarPoint
(14,210 posts)The Ohio State University built a huge Cancer Center with financial help of Les Wexner..." The Wexner Center"..... Once the dots were connected with Epstein, well they changed the name to the James Center....Here in Ohio...a successful cover-up of sorts...
Botany
(75,317 posts)Les interests in men and younger men is well known in and around Columbus. I dont
care about the grown up gay stuff but his interest in boys is creepy. I remember talking to
a good friend who is gay about Les marriage and before I was done he called her a beard.
BoRaGard
(7,586 posts)
gab13by13
(29,808 posts)Krasnov will ruin their lives if they go against him. They made a deal with the devil and it's too late to back out.
gab13by13
(29,808 posts)The September election in Arizona will give Democrats one more House seat. We can only hope that the 4 House Magats stay on board to release the Epstein report. Once that report is released, even if Bondi doctors it or redacts it, it will open up the flood gates for the victims to tell the country the truth.
One can hope Botany.
The foreign complicity is the big deal and not the powerful people who were caught up. Just look how Krasnov is forced to publicly fluff Putin and Bibi, they both own him.
Johonny
(24,672 posts)It feels weird that in 2016 none of this came out during the campaign. Even after the Hollywood tape. With so many fucking dots to connect Trump to pedophilia. It's 2025 and CNN doesn't even have the guts to say Trump has been accused of wrong doing...
Botany
(75,317 posts)
him not paying his contractors or hiring undocumented immigrants to work on his Trump
Tower and his golf course in New Jersey or his multiple bankruptcies or his phony bone spurs
or his use of cocaine or his sex with underage girls or his
. We didnt hear about those facts
but we did hear all about Hillary and her emails. Liberal Media.
yardwork
(68,061 posts)It's why the internet was full of "pedo ring" accusations at the Democrats.
To distract and muddy the water so people wouldn't see what was true.
mackdaddy
(1,865 posts)The money and good buddy deals and connections were what kept this whole Epstein enterprise going and funded. As horrendous as abusing underage school girls was, I think for Epstein it was just him able to indulge in his sick perversions because of his great wealth and influence.
The kept referring to Epstein as a 'Financier' but never directly talk about what he financed. It looks like from several reports, his real financial 'talent' was hiding money and making it disappear in offshore accounts. This made him valuable to both rich billionaires, Private Banks, and intelligence agencies.
Him dropping the occasional tidbit of intelligence to an agency just ingratiated him further with them and made him valuable to them. Part of why such a good deal in 08/09. I think he would sometimes use the young girls he recruited for himself as a 'party favor' when he found one of his associates would be into that. Kind of like offering a shot of $1000 a glass port to impress someone. I don't think Epstein and Maxwell looked at the girls as humans but as just things, toys to play with or share when it benefited them.
I think the blackmail was more subtle than overt. First, you can't tell on me without telling on yourself now that you are in the club. Second was the 'I want you to do me a favor though' aspect of being in the old boys network. Of course there is always the it would be a shame if those pictures got out.
One of the real challenges of this Epstein thing is did someone just go to a TED talk, or one of his gatherings of intelligent people, or were they involved in some level of hiding or dirty money or were they taking part in the debauchery with young girls.
So yes the debauchery and exploitation of children is deplorable, but there is a huge money and power component too. The money and power is probably why none of this information was ever released.
bucolic_frolic
(52,412 posts)Wiz Imp
(7,277 posts)That is why JP Morgan paid over $290 million for their part in it. And Deutsche bank paid $75 million.
The idea that Jeffrey Epstein died hours after speaking about Donald Trump's plane usage is a conspiracy theory with no credible evidence.
And Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking and perjury. She is a convicted sex trafficker and a convicted perjurer. However, She was not convicted of raping children therefore she is technically not a convicted child rapist.
Most of the rest is pure speculation with no proof. Come up with proof of any of these accusations then you have something. Until then, it's all rather pointless speculation for which there is zero hard evidence.
TheRickles
(2,955 posts)OMGWTF
(4,906 posts)referred to pedophilia and not pee.
Botany
(75,317 posts)
. winter of 2013 and the pee pee tapes were allegedly made in November of 2013 when he was in Moscow for a Miss Universe Pageant. So far not one thing in the Steele Dossier has been disproven.
The important thing from the Steele Dossier is that Trump was corrupted by foreign money.
CREW has requested all records related to the now-closed investigation into a $10 million cash withdrawal from the National Bank of Egypt and its relation to intelligence indicating that Egyptian President Abdel Fatah El-Sisi sought to give $10 million to the Trump campaign in 2016.. (Bill Barr
stopped any investigation into the Egyptian money payments to Trump.)
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/foia-requests/records-requested-on-doj-probe-of-alleged-10-million-egyptian-trump-contribution/
yellow dahlia
(3,072 posts)The Epstein criminality did not exist in a vacuum.
czarjak
(13,193 posts)Its not illegal when The President does it.?
Whyisthisstillclose
(282 posts)have never been anything but rotting corpses of greed and immorality. We are fighting a deep and disgusting army of liars, thieves, and perverts. We must keep our eye on the ball and never give in, but this will not be easy.
stopdiggin
(14,417 posts)exception of final bullet point - in which end result is same - but from different causation.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KS Toronado
(21,299 posts)Have RWNJs who come up with their talking points forget tsf was a Democrat 22 years ago?
Blue Full Moon
(2,876 posts)zorbasd
(475 posts)has his way with Agent Krasnov, he's been Putin's b#tch for a long time....this country is really, really f*cked. Putin sent young Russian girl agents to pedoMcTACOtits for compromat...it all falls in line and makes sense now.
Joinfortmill
(18,954 posts)yellow dahlia
(3,072 posts)I wish he faced consequences for his destruction of this country and all the other laws he has broken, and his pillaging that violates the emoluments clause...but I'll take what I can get.
Joinfortmill
(18,954 posts)yellow dahlia
(3,072 posts)Is it still part of the estate? Why isn't Congress (or someone) there snooping around?
Some have wondered if there are bodies buried there. Why wouldn't there be? When people are as evil as they are, anything can happen. (It feels nauseating to even think about how evil these people are.)
MrWowWow
(1,290 posts)Before anything happens to them. They are all we really have here. I hope they have more than adequate security. Epstein Island needs to be dug up. Teams of forensic specialists need to be brought in.