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werdna

(1,102 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:15 AM Wednesday

How to eliminate most crime almost anywhere.

Through any means available, regardless of political, social or economic systems in place:

> Ensure all citizens have access to safe and nourishing food.
> Ensure all citizens have sufficient housing accommodated to their physical and mental attributes.
> Ensure all citizens have adequate and sufficient access to health care.
> Ensure all citizens have appropriate opportunities to education suitable to their own passions and ambitions.
> Ensure all citizens have time and access to leisure activities suited to their physical and mental attributes and inclinations.

There are most likely more criteria to be included, but my brain says that's enough work this early in the morning. We can create whatever society we choose. Why continue to elect leaders who do not recognize the above? To quote Major Clipton from the ending of Bridge On the River Kwai, "Madness! Madness!"

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How to eliminate most crime almost anywhere. (Original Post) werdna Wednesday OP
Legalize drugs Blues Heron Wednesday #1
Drug addiction causes problems in many cases JI7 Wednesday #17
Seems logical, but that kind of backfired here in Oregon. I haven't researched all the details, but my three mid 30s to KPN Wednesday #22
I dunno.. Except for a few people that I know that are responsible people, I think drugs make people flakey. nt Exp Wednesday #24
You wouldn't throw people in jail for drugs anymore though, we never should have been doing that. Blues Heron Wednesday #27
Agreed. People are going to be who they are. Pot should be 100% legal, alcohol regulated. Meth, heroin, cocaine, etc Exp Wednesday #30
That completely failed in Oregon Melon Wednesday #26
Vote for Democrats! Johnny2X2X Wednesday #2
It's simple: Republicans cause poverty. . . DinahMoeHum Wednesday #18
Yup Johnny2X2X Wednesday #28
Not a new idea. Look at FDR's Second Bill of Rights tinrobot Wednesday #3
None of this eliminates white collar corporate crime and its corruption of social institutions Glorious bastard Wednesday #4
That class of disease could only be helped by development of vaccines Attilatheblond Wednesday #9
Was About To Say... ProfessorGAC Wednesday #13
Yeah it does. BlueTsunami2018 Wednesday #21
This is a good point, actually. Glorious bastard Wednesday #25
Well, no economic system is without it's flaws . . . werdna Wednesday #32
THIS. KPN Wednesday #23
True. werdna Wednesday #31
Places that have put in basic income & basic housing have seen crime fall, health improve & gov costs decline. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #5
Take away the guns FirefighterJo Wednesday #6
You Have a License For That ? PhilG Wednesday #12
Human emotion is a large contributor to crime LonePirate Wednesday #7
From Rebl2 Wednesday #10
And those negative emotions would be less inflamed if the OP's ideas were instituted. TheRickles Wednesday #11
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent BeneteauBum Wednesday #14
the rs would stammer , thats socializim AllaN01Bear Wednesday #8
There's still going to be crime if this utopia is enacted. maxsolomon Wednesday #15
A lot of actual crime fighting could have been done with the $120 million William Seger Wednesday #16
My sentiments completely swong19104 Wednesday #19
Yes the six basics that everyone should have. BlueTsunami2018 Wednesday #20
While many of the variety of socialisms currently in existence. . . werdna Wednesday #33
Nah, because it never stays well regulated. BlueTsunami2018 Wednesday #34
Good list, but I'd also add that the gaslighting, hatred, bigotry, anger, and division perpetrated by the right Doodley Wednesday #29

JI7

(92,583 posts)
17. Drug addiction causes problems in many cases
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:01 PM
Wednesday

Just legalizing it won't help.

Many addictions are to legalized drugs.

KPN

(16,910 posts)
22. Seems logical, but that kind of backfired here in Oregon. I haven't researched all the details, but my three mid 30s to
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:14 PM
Wednesday

early 40s kids all ended up being against it after a couple of years. Things apparently got worse, not better.

Exp

(567 posts)
24. I dunno.. Except for a few people that I know that are responsible people, I think drugs make people flakey. nt
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:21 PM
Wednesday

Blues Heron

(7,496 posts)
27. You wouldn't throw people in jail for drugs anymore though, we never should have been doing that.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:49 PM
Wednesday

Exp

(567 posts)
30. Agreed. People are going to be who they are. Pot should be 100% legal, alcohol regulated. Meth, heroin, cocaine, etc
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:53 PM
Wednesday

should remain illegal.

IMO

Melon

(764 posts)
26. That completely failed in Oregon
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:49 PM
Wednesday

Overdoses rose, crime went up, murders were higher, crimes involving children including neglect.

If hard drugs were not a part of America, we would have a huge decrease in my opinion. Since that is not an option, we need to increase treatment to serve those addicted.

Johnny2X2X

(23,368 posts)
2. Vote for Democrats!
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:20 AM
Wednesday

Crime goes down with Democrats in charge, period.

The Red States are mostly crime infested hellholes, the Blue States are mostly safe and clean.

DinahMoeHum

(23,162 posts)
18. It's simple: Republicans cause poverty. . .
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:05 PM
Wednesday

Poverty causes crime.

Therefore, Republicans cause crime.

tinrobot

(11,750 posts)
3. Not a new idea. Look at FDR's Second Bill of Rights
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:20 AM
Wednesday

Not specifically aimed at crime, but many of the same ideas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

We missed out by not pursuing it 80 years ago.

Glorious bastard

(35 posts)
4. None of this eliminates white collar corporate crime and its corruption of social institutions
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:33 AM
Wednesday

which is far more damaging to the fundamental stability of a society at large.

Attilatheblond

(7,214 posts)
9. That class of disease could only be helped by development of vaccines
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:04 AM
Wednesday

We need to develop vaccines to stop the dual scourges of greed and narcissism.

ProfessorGAC

(74,356 posts)
13. Was About To Say...
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:47 AM
Wednesday

...prosecute white color crime.
Harshly.
Street crime is not going to be easy to fight when example after example of multimillion dollar fraud goes unpunished or gets a slap on the wrist.
It encourages risk taking on the part of more petty criminal actors.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,602 posts)
21. Yeah it does.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:09 PM
Wednesday

You just have to eliminate capitalism. The poison that drives all of this bullshit.

Glorious bastard

(35 posts)
25. This is a good point, actually.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:41 PM
Wednesday

Indirectly it does. All the remedies proposed in the OP reinforce the social institutions that corporate crime attempts to undermine.

But corporatism goes beyond capitalism. It finds ways to collude with and even control government, which, at least according to the capitalist dogma, is supposed to be small enough to be drowned in a bathtub. Instead, as we can see now more clearly than ever, corporatism encourages the growth of government in the exact areas that serve to enable their crimes.

werdna

(1,102 posts)
32. Well, no economic system is without it's flaws . . .
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 02:28 PM
Wednesday

. . .and I am definitely an advocate for Capitalism, a well regulated Capitalism could serve the country as well as a well regulated any other economic system.

werdna

(1,102 posts)
31. True.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 02:24 PM
Wednesday

Which is why I put parameters on the article by stating "most crime almost anywhere". I should have noted that my thoughts were in reaction to Trump's ordering of the NG to eliminate crime. Never gonna happen that way.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,221 posts)
5. Places that have put in basic income & basic housing have seen crime fall, health improve & gov costs decline. . . . .nt
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:38 AM
Wednesday

FirefighterJo

(426 posts)
6. Take away the guns
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:41 AM
Wednesday

Any idea how difficult it is in Europe to own a gun (Besides Switzerland but that is a different story.) ? We rarely have gun deaths...

PhilG

(40 posts)
12. You Have a License For That ?
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:40 AM
Wednesday

My wife and I watch a lot of murder mysteries. Foreign and older USA stuff. We always look at each other when the cop asks, "You have a license for that gun, rifle or weapon?"

Sad that we can't even outlaw assault weapons.

Rebl2

(16,944 posts)
10. From
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:47 AM
Wednesday

What I understand from what the police have said in the city where I live (which has a high number of murders again this year), many are the result of arguments, domestic violence included. So I agree with you, human emotions are a contributing factor to crime. Some people have never learned to resolve arguments/disagreements peacefully, only by using violence.

TheRickles

(2,949 posts)
11. And those negative emotions would be less inflamed if the OP's ideas were instituted.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:16 AM
Wednesday

BeneteauBum

(200 posts)
14. Violence is the last resort of the incompetent
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:55 AM
Wednesday

Per Issac Asimov.
I raised my kids with ‘violence is not an option’.
Peace ☮️

maxsolomon

(37,337 posts)
15. There's still going to be crime if this utopia is enacted.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:56 AM
Wednesday

The mentally ill, larking teens, crimes of passion. Those are most of what we're seeing now.

Even the murder of the pretty Ukrainian lady that has the Right in a frenzy - that MFer is crazy. No amount of troops in the streets is going to stop a schizophrenic with a knife.

William Seger

(11,796 posts)
16. A lot of actual crime fighting could have been done with the $120 million
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:00 PM
Wednesday

... that the faux-king fascist spent deploying the National Guard to LA., and I'm gonna guess that D.C. and Chicago will each cost more than that.

swong19104

(517 posts)
19. My sentiments completely
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:06 PM
Wednesday

And enacting such policies is cheaper than the current incarceration route.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,602 posts)
20. Yes the six basics that everyone should have.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 12:08 PM
Wednesday

Food, water, housing, healthcare, education and a job.

I would add internet access.

What you’re talking about is building a socialist state. That what we should have. But a hundred years of anti-socialist/communist propaganda from the ruling class has made that all but impossible in this country.



werdna

(1,102 posts)
33. While many of the variety of socialisms currently in existence. . .
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 02:35 PM
Wednesday

. . .would be preferable to the "capitalism" we enjoy, I believe a well regulated Capitalism could provide for all of the conditions in the prime posting.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,602 posts)
34. Nah, because it never stays well regulated.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 03:21 PM
Wednesday

Eventually the ruling class takes all those regulations away.

Doodley

(11,313 posts)
29. Good list, but I'd also add that the gaslighting, hatred, bigotry, anger, and division perpetrated by the right
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:33 PM
Wednesday

(media and politicians) needs to go. Get the money and corruption out of politics, and yes, I agree that healthcare for all is essential, and ease of mental healthcare access is needed.

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