... and book repositories and will you LOOK at the travel path of the projectile!?!?! It's almost unbelievable, isn't it?

That is all

That he was dead - they were quoting someone linked to the military

But AF doesn’t yet know.

Per AF.

media will have the details.

Link to tweet

He is not a good person, but no one deserves this.

So better him than a school kid or teacher.

As the saying goes, "live by the gun, die by the gun."

would at least have a barbaric internal logic

The whole point of stochastic terrorism is to get someone to do the murdering for you so you don't have to get your hands dirty (i.e. face liability for the murder).

All you have to do is tell your cult followers that liberals are responsible for murder and you leave it up to the cultists to do your dirty work, like Trump does here:
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100220627245

now if he had personally actually killed his political enemies, we'll I'd still want his arrested and tried.

I'll shed no tears over a POS dying for the gun zealotry for which he advocated so tirelessly.

And if not, doesn't unsolicitedly announcing that you won't be doing so seem a bit gratuitous.

You sure told me.

I'm more bothered by the concurrent school shooting.

sigh

Anymore than I celebrated his life …

All people bring joy,

Some when they enter

And some

When they leave

It's not a question of what he deserves or not. But also how you choose to live your life and the things that you choose to put out into the universe can come back on you. I think there's a lot of Republicans running around now thinking that there will never be any consequences for the things they say and do and, without sanctioning shooting political rivals, I'm comfortable with saying that this was a not unforeseeable consequence of having a high public profile and whipping up maniacs into a frenzy.

Okay.

first thought, but doubt it.

to just graze him.

It shows why the other conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

Trained Snipers rarely, if ever, go for a head shot.........

Trump/Republicans will use this non-stop, to deflect the media from the constant barrage of Epstein stuff........

which would allow him to sic his Gestapo on anyone who has publicly opposed him


Rocknation

Was he starting to stray from the talking points too much? Did he weasel his smarmy punk way into learning about a "future event" he couldn't be trusted to keep quiet about before it happened?

fwiw. That has been known to anger people.

have made it their policy for decades to stir up their vicious base. When you have so many loose cannons on your own ship it is hardly surprising when one of them blows a hole in your own ship.

Kirk had banned the most extreme groups from his rallies and conventions.



Everything is speculation, though. It could have been his haircut for all we know…

enough to use as a diversion.

With Epstein looming, could not wait around for a Grynszpa.

it seems unlikely that the shooter is trans, and I sure hope he/she/they isn't.

My instinct is regardless of who actually shot him, there will ve a full court press to hang a trans person. Or immigrant. I guess they could go with a gay person, but I think they want to go after trans folk first.

…. is a Democrat.

Did they get the right guy?

They did not

200 yards is not terribly difficult for an experienced person, so not an amateur probably.
For a skilled person the neck is a very good target, you are nearly guaranteed to cause a critical, if not fatal injury. Having seen the more graphic video, he had just sat back and was holding his body straight. The perfect time/posture for someone trying to kill him.

Military is usually somewhat comfortable with 300 yard targets

I saw an elderly man in his 60s or early 70s shoot through the hole in a beer can and come out the bottom from a good distance away. The elderly man was my dad and he bragged her could do it and he did. Oh and he used a 22 rifle.

it seems like they at least have some more information on the shooter. Hopefully they catch them quick. And hopefully Kirk doesn't become a martyr.

are shot like in Minnesota and then it is just allowed to blow over.

Total gaslighting sanctimonious bullshit.

My arsenal includes:

-- .243 cal Remington 700 with a no-name scope, zeroed at 150 yards. I use it to shoot graoundhogs, mainly; most of them between 75 and 250 yards. In 15 years I have killed 6-8 a year and have never missed.

-- .308 Weatherby Mark V Deluxe with a Leupold Mark5 scope. Zeroed at 200 yards. At 300 yards the round drops 6-7 inches, at 400 yards between 19-21 inches. With about 20 minutes of coaching and firing, my 14-yr-old grandson was putting three-round groups into the bullseye at 300 yards.

-- My favorite is a Daisy Red Ryder Deluxe BB rifle. Never shot my eye out.

The military trains at 300 yards with iron sights. For a skilled shooter with a scoped rifle, 200 yards is a walk in the park.

And sometimes we went out farther. Yess, 200 is no big deal if you train for it

With a cheap $75 laser rangefinder to get the drop right, I could probably make a headshot with my CZ 457 .22LR bolt action rifle. I know I can hit Coke cans in the field behind my house out to 150 yd if the wind isn't bad.

A center-fire rifle and a 14-16x scope with a good rest is nothing at 200 yd.

sadly, marksmanship in Utah is more proficient than in Pennsylvania.

Shooting an animal is an entirely different thing than shooting another human being with the intent to kill. Especially in a crowd.

Whoever this person is, they had confidence in their ability.

Missed his head by an inch from 140 yards.

Fuck Thomas Crooks. He assured MFer's victory.

1. A wounded Trump won. A dead Trump wouldn't have.
2. He gone. Dead men tell no lies.

How? Why? Don't ask.

The day after Putin went after Poland.

Maybe this is a message to Trump that no one is safe???

Just thinking out loud as we obviously don’t have details of the motive, etc.

Maybe Charlie was a necessary sacrifice to kick off Trump's purge of his enemies.
And MAGA is all over X calling Democrats the party of violence.
Is this the beginning of a new reign of terror?

Reprisals are coming.

Hate mongers like her need to be shut down. They are a large part of the cause of all of this mess we are in with Trumpedo.

Brings Hell here.

Lets see if one is declared to take away civil liberties

That certainly is the quote of the season.

Or are they not black and brown enough?

and the US attacked Afghanistan, which offered to turn Bin Laden over, and Iraq. Hardly surprising if a shooting in Utah provokes an invasion of Chicago.

going on her show today.

The female very experienced and well respected head of the Salt Lake City FBI office was summarily dismissed 3 weeks ago. Retired FBI agent discussion suggesting that the purging that has been going on of the leadership of the FBI will not help the search for the shooter.
Discussing this 200 yard shot is not difficult for a professional. There was also discussion of this murder in context of political attacks and shootings over the last year or so.

More likely?

Was the shooter seen? I realize the person was not caught.

would have decent opportunity to easily leave the area. There was not much, if any, security at that distance from the tent where Kirk was speaking.

but I think they have an idea now what building the shot came from. If so, that's where the distance came from.

it seems that there is a building 200 yards away that may have been used.

But on a more serious note, since I don’t listen to him, was he pushing for release of the Epstein files? If so he won’t be the last.

clearly has a lot of experience. There are a lot of people in the country who could have pulled that off. The bigger question is whether or not the shooter acted on his own initiative. At some point the issue will be raised whether this was a false flag: kill one of your own to incite others on your side to violence.

Kirk was at the red spot, shooter was on a roof 200 yards away from the Losee Center.

it's oddly unnerving architecture

My husband works at the gun department of a sporting goods store and is a hunter. Although he is well into his senior years, he practices at 200 yards at the local shooting range and has no trouble hitting the target center, and he is definitely an amateur. This person may or may not be a professional, but he/she was definitely an experienced shooter.

Probably 85 percent of western hunters could have made that shot.

Modern gear makes maiming and killing too easy.

I'll be surprised if the weapon was any sort of a hunting gun, but I suppose that's possible, too.

Please, please, let it be a Swiftie.

But it was probably a RW nut job for reasons we will find out later. Even if most of them opt for the 'spray and sweep' guns that require little training and less skill. This was a sniper.

I shouldn't be celebrating. But anybody who delegates all females to second-class, subservient, "Dumb, docile and decorative" status isn't worth space, oxygen, or my personal time. The world is a better place this afternoon than it was this morning. I won't miss him.

He told her she was going to have to submit to her husband from now on; she wasn't in charge now.

Statistics says they’re not all right wingers.

I do not condone this violent act in any way, even though Kirk was an extremist Nazi. Expect that some extremist zealot will try to “even the score” on some left-leaning politician.

When the President preaches violence on a daily basis we shouldn't be surprised.

Even without sighting in, 9/10 black.

The shooter was supposed to graze him.

what if the shooter was a women? (look, i'm not proud of this thought, but i can't get rid of it)

This isn't even like the Butler shooter, who was shooting from 50 yards away. This was a professional. My guess is that it was some kind of accelerationist who wanted to bring about the civil war.

...that he would live long enough to see his movement turn to shit, get ruined financially, his trad wife divorce him, and his children disown him.