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madaboutharry

(42,006 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:19 PM Sep 10

Political differences and disagreements should never lead to political assassinations.

The grave dancing is shameful.

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Political differences and disagreements should never lead to political assassinations. (Original Post) madaboutharry Sep 10 OP
Maybe it was a false flag ZDU Sep 10 #1
OP's point would still apply in that unlikely event. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #2
Good point ZDU Sep 10 #4
.... madaboutharry Sep 10 #3
On a related note... ZDU Sep 10 #6
Yeah not a fan. SSJVegeta Sep 10 #5
until we have the shooter in custody lapfog_1 Sep 10 #7
your thread title is true Coventina Sep 10 #8
please tell that to the republicans samsingh Sep 10 #9
Hear, hear! ZDU Sep 10 #17
thank you samsingh Sep 10 #33
Or make jokes chelsea0011 Sep 10 #32
exactly - and they still do samsingh Sep 10 #34
We all agree RANDYWILDMAN Sep 10 #10
But they do. hamsterjill Sep 10 #11
No - BUT GUNS ARE EVERYWHERE and so this is what happens. Maru Kitteh Sep 10 #12
Hear, hear. ZDU Sep 10 #15
As are knives Daveigh Sep 10 #21
That woman was killed with a knife from 200 yards over politics? WoW! Maru Kitteh Sep 10 #26
I believe you may have misunderstood Daveigh Sep 10 #29
Should Hitler have been assassinated, potentially saving 72 million lives? Yes or no? Doodley Sep 10 #13
Excellent point. ZDU Sep 10 #14
That's not a political difference EdmondDantes_ Sep 10 #16
Nor was Hitler for eight years after being elected Chancellor. Doodley Sep 10 #20
Charlie Kirk was not the Chancellor of anything. madaboutharry Sep 10 #23
I'm not justifying anything, but sweeping statements don't help. Doodley Sep 10 #28
That is a ridiculous analogy. madaboutharry Sep 10 #19
It took Hitler eight years to start implementing the mass executions of Jews, and over six years to start . Doodley Sep 10 #25
Charlie Kirk's death is not going to save millions of lives. LeftInTX Sep 10 #24
Tell that to the families of every soldier who died defending their country in a "justified" war. usonian Sep 10 #18
Thank you. I wish I could have said it as well as you. Doodley Sep 10 #31
Political differences are all "constructed". All killing is wrong. usonian Sep 10 #41
You wouldn't kill a man to stop him from murdering your friends and family? You think that is wrong? Doodley Sep 10 #42
I would wound. I have poor eyesight anyway. usonian Sep 10 #43
I'm no fighter either. I'm a vegetarian poet, but hell, I hope I would kill to save the life of others, rather . Doodley Sep 10 #44
Circumstances don't warrant it. usonian Sep 10 #47
My neighborhood is not relevant to your point that killing is never justifiable. Of course it is when it saves lives. Doodley Sep 10 #48
You're a troll. Get a life. I have music to write. usonian Sep 10 #49
President Biden Mosby Sep 10 #22
Thank you! Yorkie Mom Sep 10 #30
An appeal to religion, once again SamuelTheThird Sep 10 #38
Human nature pfitz59 Sep 10 #27
I will save my emottions for the children shot at Evergreen HS this niyad Sep 10 #35
Agree. But kids in school should not be sitting ducks to people who should not have guns but who have & use them Attilatheblond Sep 10 #36
Don't worry, I'm sure there is more than enough handwringing on the fascist media, ImNotGod Sep 10 #37
Ok. madaboutharry Sep 10 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Justice Brandeis Sep 10 #39
Wait until you see what happens if Trump croaks out on the toilet someday. BannonsLiver Sep 10 #45
I agree 100% with you, President Biden, and President Obama Tribetime Sep 10 #46

lapfog_1

(31,276 posts)
7. until we have the shooter in custody
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:24 PM
Sep 10

and get their statement or their social media, etc.

We have no idea WHY Kirk was killed. Could be over a financial dealing gone bad, or some other personal matter.

Could be someone just trying to be famous for killing someone at a political event.

We don't know who and we don't know why.

Coventina

(28,713 posts)
8. your thread title is true
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:24 PM
Sep 10

Couldn't disagree more about the grave dancing, though.

I love grave dancing!

Kirk richly deserves it.

He wanted people to die for the 2nd amendment. He died for his own cause.

He and his family should be happy.

samsingh

(18,167 posts)
9. please tell that to the republicans
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:24 PM
Sep 10

who dance on the graves of school children and then deny that the event even happened

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,089 posts)
10. We all agree
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:25 PM
Sep 10

don't shame people though

Also tons of us remember Minnesota, well our current leaders pretty much pretended that didn't happen. SAD

Kirk SAD

This also happened in beautiful Utah, should we send in the guard to protect people SAD

46,000 guns deaths in 2023 very SAD

Maru Kitteh

(30,657 posts)
12. No - BUT GUNS ARE EVERYWHERE and so this is what happens.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:29 PM
Sep 10

Charlie Kirk thought it was fine that some people should die at the shrine of the 2nd amendment and he got his wish. Now we move on.


Daveigh

(62 posts)
21. As are knives
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:40 PM
Sep 10

Look what recently happened to the Ukrainian young woman in North Carolina.

The bottom line: We’ve got to get to the point in this country where/when people can hold different ideological and political viewpoints without violently attacking each other for doing so.

Maru Kitteh

(30,657 posts)
26. That woman was killed with a knife from 200 yards over politics? WoW!
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:47 PM
Sep 10

Just don’t. Mkay?




Daveigh

(62 posts)
29. I believe you may have misunderstood
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:52 PM
Sep 10

I was simply responding to your “guns are everywhere” thought. As are knives. And people are becoming increasingly violent. I certainly wasn’t disagreeing with you. My apologies if I communicated my thoughts ineffectively.

EdmondDantes_

(926 posts)
16. That's not a political difference
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:34 PM
Sep 10

For all of Kirk's hate, he wasn't ordering the deaths of millions in concentration camps or starting a war

madaboutharry

(42,006 posts)
23. Charlie Kirk was not the Chancellor of anything.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:44 PM
Sep 10

Hitler turned Germany into an authoritarian dictatorship in the years before he started WWII.

Trying to justify this killing is just plain wrong.

madaboutharry

(42,006 posts)
19. That is a ridiculous analogy.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:38 PM
Sep 10

Are you seriously comparing Charlie Kirk to Hitler?

Hitler invaded sovereign nations, caused a World War, and was responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions of people by 1945.

Charlie Kirk was a political activist with right-wing ideas that many found abhorrent. Please...

Doodley

(11,379 posts)
25. It took Hitler eight years to start implementing the mass executions of Jews, and over six years to start .
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:46 PM
Sep 10

invading other countries. Trump has already talked about taking Canada, the Panama Canal, Greenland, and building a resort in Gaza, as well as standing with Putin in the invasion of Ukraine, encouraged by the likes of Kirk. As for all his other scapegoating, cruelty, division and spread of hated, misinformation and bigotry, you can't see any similarities?

usonian

(20,611 posts)
18. Tell that to the families of every soldier who died defending their country in a "justified" war.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:34 PM
Sep 10

Don't tell me war isn't political, and that any one murder is different from another.

And let's talk about grave dancing.

usonian

(20,611 posts)
41. Political differences are all "constructed". All killing is wrong.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 06:36 PM
Sep 10

So difficult to be a Buddhist these days.
But with a feeling of
• Wisdom
• Good intent
• Right speech, and
• Right actions

there are more, but if more people got this far, what a wonderful world it would be.

I read about two lay Buddhist leaders discussing politics, and the solution was simply more people with humanistic values in word and deed.

It's really that simple, and
It's really that hard.

Peace

Doodley

(11,379 posts)
42. You wouldn't kill a man to stop him from murdering your friends and family? You think that is wrong?
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 06:45 PM
Sep 10

usonian

(20,611 posts)
43. I would wound. I have poor eyesight anyway.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 06:51 PM
Sep 10

I have no friends within 50 miles and no family closer than 180 miles.

I would do all I could not to kill.

I am responsible only for my own actions. Nobody else's.

Bear spray and high power laser for now.

Doodley

(11,379 posts)
44. I'm no fighter either. I'm a vegetarian poet, but hell, I hope I would kill to save the life of others, rather .
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:59 PM
Sep 10

than waste time thinking about the attacker's life. These could be split-second decisions, and every second that attacker is alive, he may kill others or me.

usonian

(20,611 posts)
47. Circumstances don't warrant it.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:33 PM
Sep 10

Cheers. Find a safer neighborhood.

Got to go. Under heavy attack by bunny rabbits and quail.

Doodley

(11,379 posts)
48. My neighborhood is not relevant to your point that killing is never justifiable. Of course it is when it saves lives.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:00 PM
Sep 10

You 'd rather that the confederates won because there would be no resistance? You'd rather be speaking German because it was wrong for America to fight back in WW2? The heroes that shoot school shooters are wrong? "Find a safer neighborhood," is a cop out.

SamuelTheThird

(275 posts)
38. An appeal to religion, once again
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 06:00 PM
Sep 10

One of the chief evils in this world. And responsible for Trump's win as well.

niyad

(127,337 posts)
35. I will save my emottions for the children shot at Evergreen HS this
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:56 PM
Sep 10

afternoon. .Necessary sacrfiices, according to that fucking bastard kirk, to the all-high 2A. oooops for charlie.

Attilatheblond

(7,283 posts)
36. Agree. But kids in school should not be sitting ducks to people who should not have guns but who have & use them
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:58 PM
Sep 10

Sensible gun safety is needed. Kirk didn't seem to think so. Sometimes Karma smacks hard.

ImNotGod

(1,118 posts)
37. Don't worry, I'm sure there is more than enough handwringing on the fascist media,
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:59 PM
Sep 10

and I will dance whenever, wherever I want, if anyone doesn't like it they can put me on ignore.

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