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malaise

(288,871 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:28 PM Wednesday

Charlie Kirk talks Epstein, urges Trump administration to act

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/15/trump-epstein-maga-charlie-kirk

Charlie Kirk, one of the most powerful and influential MAGA podcasters, devoted Tuesday's podcast to extensive interviews about Jeffrey Epstein — a day after he and several other MAGA figures suggested they would take President Trump's advice and move on.

Andrew Kolvet, the show's executive producer, told Axios that Monday's viral clip had additional context: "Charlie is not done talking about it. The ball is in the administration's court to find a solution."
Why it matters: The MAGA blowback over the handling of Epstein evidence is a rare instance of the president's base bucking his wishes.
On Tuesday's show, Kirk urged the Trump administration to fix the Epstein mess by disclosing more information.
The conclusions from the Justice Department and FBI that the disgraced financier did not have a "client list" and died by suicide have prompted anger from Trump-world, often with Attorney General Pam Bondi as their top target for punishment.
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Charlie Kirk talks Epstein, urges Trump administration to act (Original Post) malaise Wednesday OP
Nice find n/t leftstreet Wednesday #1
Indeed! SheltieLover Wednesday #3
Charlie Kirk Backtracks on Epstein After Presidential Call Celerity Wednesday #39
Interesting! leftstreet Wednesday #41
Gosh, who had motive? SheltieLover Wednesday #2
wouldn't be surprised the shooter was indeed a very far right nut job who sought his justice Nimble_Idea Wednesday #5
...or maybe not so much of a nut job Mossfern Wednesday #7
That's my gut feeling, but no idea. SheltieLover Wednesday #8
One shot! malaise Wednesday #14
Fair point, well made, Malaise! sagetea Thursday #49
Che k this our malaise Thursday #55
Hired by Rebl2 Wednesday #29
With a Russian accent? Dave says Wednesday #33
Who had motive? Bluetus Thursday #54
I hope the Q flavored MAGAts pick this up and run with it. RockRaven Wednesday #4
Fat chance.They are an orange ass kissing bunch. CentralMass Wednesday #40
Interesting bdamomma Wednesday #6
Krasnov's crew? BoRaGard Wednesday #9
He does have immunity thanks to the Supremes. tinrobot Wednesday #36
If Kirk was agitating for the release of the Epstein files, why would anyone in favor of that want to silence him? sop Wednesday #10
Yup SheltieLover Wednesday #13
Plenty of powerful people don't want those files released. tinrobot Wednesday #35
Sending a message to other MAGA influencers and pundits? hedda_foil Thursday #48
Sowing usually preceeds reaping... Moostache Wednesday #11
Your 3rd paragraph mr715 Wednesday #16
The whole post is darned good Alephy Wednesday #30
AGREE! maddiemom Wednesday #32
100% oasis Wednesday #38
WHOA !!! uponit7771 Wednesday #12
Kicking SheltieLover Wednesday #15
K&R UTUSN Wednesday #17
And the FBI just released the SECOND guy they arrested as a person of interest. SunSeeker Wednesday #18
As my peeps would say malaise Wednesday #20
Indeed. It appears all the competent people have left the FBI, or Trump fired them. nt SunSeeker Wednesday #22
interestingly, the agent in charge in utah is new. Patel/Trump fired the previous one a month ago. drray23 Wednesday #26
The previous FBI person in change of that district, recently fired by Trump/Patel, was a woman Attilatheblond Wednesday #31
Maybe they are firing women because they are against competence Walleye Thursday #52
That seems to be likely. Attilatheblond Thursday #53
That article is from July, so not really from Tuesday as people think if they don't look likesmountains 52 Wednesday #19
I never said it was from Tuesday malaise Wednesday #21
I know! Not insinuating you did...but lots of people don't bother to read the article...just clarifying for them. likesmountains 52 Wednesday #23
Got yah n/t malaise Wednesday #24
Yes, he was a very powerful voice... kentuck Wednesday #25
If not Trump directly executing his 'enemies', he will indirectly encourage his followers to do it. Norrrm Wednesday #27
K&R spanone Wednesday #28
I think this was a professional hit Bayard Wednesday #34
Russian hit? roamer65 Wednesday #37
I think that is very possible. kentuck Wednesday #42
You would think there are easier ways to kill someone misanthrope Wednesday #43
And its working Bayard Thursday #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Thursday #45
have you made this pellucidly clear? Nimble_Idea Thursday #46
If not, maybe go for a syn ? BoRaGard Thursday #47
LOL malaise Thursday #50
Sealed his fate. marble falls Thursday #51

leftstreet

(37,157 posts)
41. Interesting!
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:39 PM
Wednesday

For anyone not clicking the link
this is from July 14:

Over the weekend, conservative media figure @charliekirk1776 hosted the @turningpointusa Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, where the young conservatives in attendance were up in arms about President Trump’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein affair.

On Monday, Kirk said is backing off of the issue. It comes after the president reportedly called Kirk over the weekend.

“Honestly, I’m done talking about Epstein for the time being,” Kirk said on the Monday episode of his talk show. “I’m going to trust my friends in the administration. I’m going to trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done. Solve it. Ball’s in their hands. I’ve said plenty this last weekend.”

Nimble_Idea

(2,823 posts)
5. wouldn't be surprised the shooter was indeed a very far right nut job who sought his justice
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:34 PM
Wednesday

SheltieLover

(73,557 posts)
8. That's my gut feeling, but no idea.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:41 PM
Wednesday

Had no idea who the nazi was until he met his demise.

sagetea

(1,521 posts)
49. Fair point, well made, Malaise!
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:38 AM
Thursday

I too, noticed that one shot. Even when krasnov had a 'assignation attempt' there were 8 shots taken. This whole thing...like everything else, nothing adds up. But, I do believe that the idjt (idiot djt) is involved.


sage

Bluetus

(1,517 posts)
54. Who had motive?
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:10 PM
Thursday

The obvious thing would be a person who was so angry and distraught with this gathering fascism and the lack of a Constitutional response, that he felt he had to act alone. That's certainly a possibility. We saw that scenario with the killing of that UHC executive. Certainly possible, but I'm not sure Kirk would be the first target.

With any killing, one has to look at personal conflicts. Lots of people are killed every year for things that have nothing to do with their day job. Love triangles and such.

But we should not ignore other possible motives. Everybody knows Trump is not living forever, and with his recent health and mental issues, there seems to be a real scramble within the MAGA world to be Trump's successor. We see real fragmentation. Look at Massie, Greene and Pence for three recent examples of people trying to define themselves separately from Trump.

The two I would look at are Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. THese are both hard core Nazis who are certainly evil enough to orchestrate something like this. And they would very much see Kirk as a threat to their prominence in the post-Trump world. The motives are strong, but the modus operandi doesn't seem very likely. If I were Bannon and Miller, I would hire the very best professional hitman available. Instead this looks like a very amateurish job, leaving the gun and footprints behind.

So we'll just have to wait.

sop

(15,939 posts)
10. If Kirk was agitating for the release of the Epstein files, why would anyone in favor of that want to silence him?
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:49 PM
Wednesday

If this, in fact, was the motivation for his assassination (obviously, no one knows yet), one might conclude it was done by someone seeking to protect Trump.

tinrobot

(11,749 posts)
35. Plenty of powerful people don't want those files released.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:21 PM
Wednesday

Many of them are quite wealthy. I'm sure they could arrange a hit.

And obviously the orange felon. Thanks to the Supreme Court, he has immunity if he ordered a hit.

Moostache

(10,771 posts)
11. Sowing usually preceeds reaping...
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 05:51 PM
Wednesday

In Russia, dissidents and contrarian opinions have a tendency to fall out of windows or from high places or be poisoned or imprisoned.

In America, its not surprising to see gun violence befall one who advocated for 2nd amendment absolutism - even if it meant people would die; though I assume he thought the people dying venn diagram would not include him (an overcompensated, bigoted and hateful white man espousing the values that support and define white male hegemony for profit and notoriety).

In the end, whether Trump-Epstein is related at all or not, the world did not suffer a great loss today, it just witnessed a core law of nature occur - when you plant seeds of hate, you raise a flower of fire; and if you live in the way of it, those flames consume without deference or designation or favor. If one doesn't want to die by the flames, one should not douse themself in gasoline and play with matches while smoking cigarettes and trying to lit a charcoal grill.

That does not excuse anyone from throwing lit matches at people (or shooting them either), but it also does not absolve the guilty of their own culpability for their own demise.

SunSeeker

(56,620 posts)
18. And the FBI just released the SECOND guy they arrested as a person of interest.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:22 PM
Wednesday

We still have no idea who did this and why.

malaise

(288,871 posts)
20. As my peeps would say
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:24 PM
Wednesday

They don’t know their ass from their elbow. They make incompetents look good.

SunSeeker

(56,620 posts)
22. Indeed. It appears all the competent people have left the FBI, or Trump fired them. nt
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:28 PM
Wednesday

drray23

(8,411 posts)
26. interestingly, the agent in charge in utah is new. Patel/Trump fired the previous one a month ago.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:32 PM
Wednesday

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The person they fired was highly respected and experienced. That new guy, already screwed up his first press conference nabbing the wrong people and doxing them.

Attilatheblond

(7,214 posts)
31. The previous FBI person in change of that district, recently fired by Trump/Patel, was a woman
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:22 PM
Wednesday

SHE was highly respected and had quite a resume.

likesmountains 52

(4,243 posts)
19. That article is from July, so not really from Tuesday as people think if they don't look
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:23 PM
Wednesday

Important still, but not from Tuesday

malaise

(288,871 posts)
21. I never said it was from Tuesday
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:26 PM
Wednesday

This is GD not breaking news.
Kirk continued to demand more info on Bestie Jeffrey.

likesmountains 52

(4,243 posts)
23. I know! Not insinuating you did...but lots of people don't bother to read the article...just clarifying for them.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:29 PM
Wednesday

kentuck

(114,601 posts)
25. Yes, he was a very powerful voice...
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:31 PM
Wednesday

...that could pressure the Epstein files to be released, and he was talking in that direction. Their fertile conspiracy minds might hook on to that possibility?

Norrrm

(2,928 posts)
27. If not Trump directly executing his 'enemies', he will indirectly encourage his followers to do it.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:39 PM
Wednesday

If not Trump directly executing his 'enemies', he will indirectly encourage his followers to do it.

Bayard

(26,935 posts)
34. I think this was a professional hit
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:08 PM
Wednesday

Something to get MAGAts up in arms, and get Epstein out of the news.

I guess Kirk drew the short straw.

kentuck

(114,601 posts)
42. I think that is very possible.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:42 PM
Wednesday

Could have been an opportune assassination by a foreign adversary?

misanthrope

(9,128 posts)
43. You would think there are easier ways to kill someone
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:13 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:19 AM - Edit history (1)

Kirk has these big events, but he isn't surrounded like that all the time. He doesn't have Secret Service. There have to be plenty of opportunities where a professional killer would be able to get to Kirk with fewer wild card variables like all the folks/potential witnesses at an event like this. If you're pro, you want to get rid of the target where it can't be witnessed.

So the person who did this wanted it seen.

What their motivation could have been, I can't say. But they wanted to make a splash.

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