He was murdered by a gun man.

Let nobody who posted against the extrajudicial killing of 11 Venezuelans on the boat be ones to post anything excusing the extrajudicial killing of Charlie Kirk. Let alone the posts celebrating.

What is "judicial" anymore anyway?

I remember when DU was more polite.
But those days are long gone.

We are at war for our survival.
We are not having tea with the Royal Family.

People's reactions here are of note.
It did not used to be like this here.

Times have changed.

We are now more in a wartime and survival mode.

There are some among us who can't accept any criticism no matter how evenly and unemotionally it is delivered. If no criticism is allowed then what? The jury system would become even more over-worked and it could never keep up or be effective. For one thing, criticism is the only way to disapprove of behaviours that do not rise to the merciless level of hiding.

Some post criticisms of people posting criticisms.

But I’m still not sorry Kirk is dead. I don’t need to mourn wicked people

""I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."


Gun violence was evidently "worth it" to Charlie Kirk. May he rest in peace.

'Thoughts and prayers'

About ChristoFascist White Supremacists.

But it was long before I joined DU.

Our character is demonstrated by our behavior in the worst of times.

Murder, of anyone, should not be celebrated. I do not mourn for Kirk. I mourn for our country that is in the grip of a culture that sees violence as the solution to all disputes and loves its guns more than it loves its children.

I mourn what has happened to our country.
We are in a civil war of sorts, it is brutal.
Women and children killed for no reason at all.
It is the world the GOP wants.
Guns are the new god.

We have to accept we are a changed country and people.
We are more jaded, cynical and pessimistic.
In shock by the loss of our democracy, constitution, country.

I do not think our morality is an either or situation.
We can still be on the side of good.
But fight hard to survive, brook no nonsense, and call out evil for what it is.

Old rules of manners and etiquette seem quaint and old fashioned now.

High went out the door.

I'm not at their level.

I'm below it - plotting their demise.

I would have preferred he get thrown into Gitmo for the rest of his life - but here we are.

And this incident will just give the right wing more talking points.

It is a civil war and they do propaganda and lies 24/7.
This will be no different.

We cannot run our lives afraid of their evil, their lies.
Each of us has to be our own person, true to ourselves.

I think both things are correct.
People have a right to be happy when someone evil dies.
Other people have a right to feel differently and remind us that murder is wrong.

We are at war, and we are all over the map emotionally.

classless.

And now we hear some bs bothsiderism. Only one side is armed to the teeth,

Judge, Jury and Executioner!

I shouldn't watch the news while posting.

Overload!

I just had to mute Noem again too.

and someone said:

Republicans will do everything to win, Liberals will do anything to stay pure.

Everyone we don't cry tears for terrible people, we are reminded that we shouldn't celebrate the very people enabling or influencing people on the left being killed. Didn't Charlie Kirk want guns everywhere and attacked those that wanted to put some sanity into gun laws? Didn't he argue that children being shot was the price to pay for the 2nd amendment?

I'd rather him be alive and coming home to those in his family who love him.

So we could lock him up in Gitmo when the Regime falls and throw away the key.

We need these ChristoFascist White Supremacists taken alive so they can be used as an example to others when the Regime falls.

Ironically, your post was extreme.

Political violence only leads to more violence. Yesterday was a sad day in America any way you look at it.

with innocent people getting shot so that the US "could have a 2nd Amendment"?

Is it wrong to offer "thoughts and prayers"?

Totally agree that nobody should 'celebrate' it, but letting it be known that we're not exactly sorry to see this particular thing happen to this particular person, given his affirmed (and publicly loud) stance on random gun violence?

I think THAT is fair play, myself

...calling gunshot murders worth the cost, which is an odd thing for a father to say.

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.” -Charlie Kirk
April 6, 2023

https://newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113

But as long as we still have some measure of free speech on this country, I'm glad he spoke so clearly about his death by gunfire being worth it.

Please note that's different than whether or not I, a transgender person being attacked by his political forces, denied civil rights, health care, and, perhaps soon, the right to bear arms -- am personally celebrating his death. Now if you'll excuse me, it's time for violin practice!

If guns and weapons weren't so readily available to practically anyone in America, he might be alive today.

But this is NOT about celebrating violence or promoting it. If Kirk had died of cancer and he encouraged smoking, this would still apply.

would make it easier to buy assault-style semi-automatic rifles and unlimited ammo than it is to buy a six pack, and frequently disparaged the idea of rational gun control. And he affirmed that innocent people's deaths were an acceptable trade-off in his mind so he can keep his manly gunz.

To be clear I'm not saying at all saying he deserved what happened, but he seemed perfectly comfortable with telling all of us that we should accept the inevitable horrible outcome of HIS beliefs.

And then when I look at the fact that the very last words out of his mouth were disparaging towards trans people, and people of color (it's not like we don't know what he meant by 'gang-related'), I feel like he died doing what he loved (talking shit about non-cisgender white people), from a danger he consistently said was not all that significant. As such, I feel just fine saying I don't have that much sympathy for him personally, given this particular cause of death. Poems should perhaps be written and passed on about the Foibles of Charlie Kirk.

However, I'm also saying that the shooter is a vile and disgusting cretin.

Hours before this happened, I read a headline where he said he can't stand the word empathy and believes it causes a lot of damage.

What are we supposed to do with that?

So, I'm doing you proud, Mr. Kirk

On edit: So I looked into it ...

But I can totally see a white supremacist preferring the word sympathy since it separates them from human beings they see as subhuman.

Why are we always expected to go high. No matter what they say or do we are always lectured we have to be better. Screw that meet them with the same feelings they have for us.

There is literally nothing DU can say about him that is worse than what he said himself.

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Hmm, I should think about that.

disgusting.
I know people like this exist, but never realized I was completely surrounded by them.
It makes my heart hurt that people can hate this much and that there are so many of them makes it worse.

You're goddamn right I hate them. And don't for a second think they wouldn't love to do that to us.

These are not our normal political adversaries. Just thinking happy thoughts might land you in a gulag.

outright bullshit is what got us here.
Nobody is in any damned camps, I've been hearing this ridiculous shit for a year now.

Hyperbole and bullshit from people like Kirk and his ilk is what got us here.

We were too busy eating bon bons and making flower arrangements to go high.

Might be helpful to have an alert button for “damaging the public image of DU with extreme content.”

Maybe some don't think about how stuff gets picked up in media etc., and others may be intentional.

HARD.

Razor wire floats in the border rivers.

To entangle, cut and drown humans.

They celebrate this and double down in court to expand the use.

That Sucks Hard!

I intend to piss on his grave if my prostate still allows it.

but an assassination of a propagandist is nothing to celebrate - and not mourning is not the same as celebrating.

it's going to make him a martyr and exacerbate the violent divisions in this country. it will perpetuate a cycle of political violence. more people will die.

We watched those influencers get named making bank, and nothing much happened to them, and perhaps Joe R. finally jumped the shark?
My hypotenuse.

More grossed out at the blanket pardon to the J6rs and then multiple re-offenders since, some of the crimes very serious, but forget details, in eyes out the back of my head of all useless knowledge.

my daughter thinks luigi mangione is a hero. i don't.

i'm seething angry about the J6 pardons, as well. i'm getting used to being angry, unfortunately.

Charlie Kirk was a pissant and not worth the time.

Free speech...It's hardly free if you get killed for it.

they shd b honest. and honestly, no 1 here is sad that asshole is dead.
i always speak the truth, even when ppl wag their fingers at me.

i

The tools may have changed, not the motivations.

attempts on the lives of Democratic politicians more likely.

You'd have to cite statistics to justify your point.

what ppl say on du has nothing to do w anything. and the truth is the truth.

It’s about as important as a speck on a fleas ass.

There has been no detail yet released about this person’s motive. There apparently could have one or more of several.

The most likely effect of the shooting will be to make him a martyr to those who agreed with him. And to encourage those who agreed him to harm those who didn't.

are basically responsible and reasonable. We also are running a generally accepted “Is He Dead Yet?” feature. This is an aberration of an administration, and our comments reflect this.

It is what it is. Piss in the wind all you like, but reality is Kirk was an awful human being. No tears should be shed.

will alert.

They're going full steam ahead regardless of what some of you think rhetoric should be.

NT

Also shot today, and I don't want them ignored. Kirk said their lives are expendable. I disagree and my thoughts are with their families.

I just walked past our family room where there was an outpouring of righteous indignation on the television. On my way up the stairs I asked if there had been anything mentioned about the shooting of the two school children in Colorado. “Not a word,” said my daughter.

There it is there.

Please don’t tell me how to feel about this shooting. I regret that his daughter had to see it. But unlike the school children and his own child, he was no innocent and he fomented hatred and violence everywhere he went.

control I have left.

who aided and abetted the racism and xenophobia of the MAGA movement. It is probably impossible to calculate how much harm he brought into the world, but it is well above zero. I will shed no tears for him.

I'm not going to be shamed for celebrating and following the joy in my my heart which has NO pity for the rat bastard SOB.

Just recognized name. So I read wiki page and after reading I am not saying murder was good or I am glad he was shot but since he is dead I am glad considering the maga influence he had that he is not around to continue spreading that.

I'm not going to be shamed into not saying the obvious.

will lie about it, is that they believe political violence is justified. And no doubt only in one direction.

Ask for help.

That's some pretty bold claims for what others are thinking. So you don't have to guess about me, I don't believe political violence is justified. But I do believe that Charlie Kirk was a horrible person who made the world worse for everyone but the uber wealthy and helped bring on our current fascist government. The world is a better place with him not in it.

But I am not going to argue with someone when they clearly express that they condone something.

Great username, though.

Talk to yourself now.

Seriously, when look at how close together his eyes were, he looked like a crazy incel South Park character.

They reminded me of that show on HBO that makes fun of religion. Reminded me of the couples in that.

Finding out she was miss Arizona made me think of Trump and his pageant girls.

Seriously, I wonder if the waifu is relieved now. I can’t imagine he was in any way decent to be married to. *shudder*

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It’s disgusting that violence begets celebration when a protagonist of violence is gunned down, however we are human beings and not AI. A holier than thou attitude is not reality.

I humbly add all my thoughts and prayers

I also condemn murder in any form

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… of every left wing attack or murder committed by one of their own?

Please. Cut the sanctimony.

The grave dance starts now, bring champagne or your choice of drink.

HELLO

Kirk was filth. But murder is not who we are. Makes us look as low life as he was. As they are.

My attitude is more like indifference. I said that I have more sympathy for the victims of gun violence injured today than I do for Charlie Kirk.

but - it's OK for some people