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His life I mean.

Apparently, a lot of people here on Democratic Underground don't realize that WE ARE AT WAR!

They think rules of etiquette are still "a thing" and that we should be reverent and reserved about the death of the political cancer that threatens to kill us all.

Thanks for rising above that...(or below that, according to them)

Today was a good day for equality, fairness, truth, justice, honesty, inclusion and the United States of America.

Kick them below.

Any unbiased observer would find that utterly ghoulish

No one advocated for this man's death and certainly no one on DU was involved in his killing.

Karma just bites sometimes. To me, it's like when one of those wild game hunters gets killed by the very animal that they were trying to kill. Kirk got bitten today by what he advocated so forcefully for. Sometimes, the universe just reminds us that it's a powerful thing.

We are most definitely at war and it's going to take getting tough, getting down and dirty, and beating up the bullies to save us. For some on here to think we can still be all civilized and proper while the other side seeks to eradicate us, is a little stupid in my opinion.

I take no pleasure in what happened today, but I didn't cause it, and I will use my sympathies elsewhere. Like the kids in Colorado today, or in my own neck of the woods, the kids who were massacred in Uvalde.

The finger wagging, from those here who like to claim that we adults, who live in a free society with freedom of speech, need them to belittle some of us for expressing emotions are not only pedantic in their obsessive beliefs but are also being disrespectful.

Each of us, as free thinking adults, are entitled to police ourselves and express our feelings.

To attempt to silence someone that is telling you how they feel is a symptom of a deep psychological disturbance.

It's either a symptom of fear, of the need to exert power over others or the expression of the belief that only the very righteous are entitled to have feelings.

Plus, it expresses that those that express their, judged to be contrarian, emotions are wrong in their beliefs and are not entitled to their unique emotions.

Such judgment is also, whether deliberate or unconscious, sometimes an expression of a form of emotional abuse.

Thank you, hamsterjill. ❤️

Yes, we should be able to express our feelings here without being shamed for saying what we feel and meaning it. It's who we are.

I think your point as to some having the need to exert power is especially interesting and accurate. There's one thread about "not making DU look bad". Are we really here to worry about an image? I'm not.

There is one particular long-time poster who responds quite regularly to people with "we need to be better than that". It's tiresome and as one other person posted today, it feels like a "Karen" (and I don't like that nickname!!!) is monitoring the board. We should each feel free to say what we want to say as long as it doesn't break the rules of conduct on DU, and if someone finds a post that they don't like, they can either alert or ignore.

I have honestly spent the greater part of today analyzing my feelings about Kirk's death. I'm not an unfeeling, uncaring person. I've questioned why I'm not more affected by his death. But I'm not a saint either. First and foremost, politically at least, I'm a feminist and that man would have taken more rights away from women in a heartbeat because of his religious views. He's no longer capable of doing that, advocating that, or causing further damage to the deterioration of anyone's rights in this country. The conclusion that I've come to after self-reflecting truly IS what I said - the universe spoke today. It had enough of Charlie Kirk and the hatred that he spewed. We mere mortals played no role in that decision.

It will be interesting once we know who the perpetrator was. Or perhaps we will never know if it was a "professional" job. The idea that it might be Putin sending a message to Trump that "no one is safe" crossed my mind. We certainly don't have enough information for that to be anything more than a spoken wondering. In the coming days we will learn more.

It's apparent and realistic that, at this point, this type of thing is going to become more commonplace. Like the school shootings, attacks on public figures will become more frequent. I don't want that to happen, but with Donald Trump spouting the hateful rhetoric that he simply cannot contain because he enjoys it - things will continue to get worse. We need to be ready and we are going to need to dispense our limited amount of compassion to those situations that we are inclined.

I appreciate your response and your kind words. I hope you have a great evening.

for your kind level-headed STRONG response...

"....like when one of those wild game hunters gets killed by the very animal that they were trying to kill."
If it turns out that Kirk was killed by the father of one of the kids who were shot in order to preserve the 2nd Amendment for Charlie Kirk, .....well, if I was sitting on a jury, the prosecutor would have a hard time convincing me.

"ICE is coming for you", and then a terrible derogatory name. I ask the idiot "So, you admit now that he wants to put anyone he doesn't like in prison? Let me ask you something (magat), what if he decides he doesn't like you?" Never have gotten a response.

I fixed it for you.

Is what’s the end game? Where does this kind of violence lead?

to the shooting deaths in ones and twos. Very sad, even when involving an indecent person.

What struck me in your post was the line 'Remember what happened to Charlie Kirk today and he wouldn't have cared less if it happened to any of you.' I believe that to be true. And the same for the rest of the TSF and gun worshippers who lack the empathy that we used to automatically ascribe to everyone but have come to realize otherwise.

Sad.

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

agree with your last two sentences.

"Good guy with a gun"?

We thankfully won't have to hear any more of his idiocy.

Tots and pears

empathy? based on his statements, kirk had no empathy for victims of gun violence. he saw them as necessary to insure that americans have easy and unregulated access to implements of violence. no death, not charley’s and not a student’s, is worth this cost. the second amendment consists of 27 words, but the gun rights supporters only seem to remember the last 14 which seem to make gun ownership an absolute right while ignoring the the first 13 that includes the 2 words, well regulated. it is time for well regulation.

I disapprove of his killing. Charlie understood his own need for accepting it.
Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”

https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-its-worth-have-cost-unfortunately-some-gun-deaths-every-single-year-so-we

All those dead school children were 'worth' it to Charlie.

Kirk would not have cared if this happened to someone on the left. He always mouthed off about guns and in the end karma caught up to him.

They brag about not having empathy and mock people that show any empathy. Eff them to hell.

If it was one of us instead, Charlie Kirk wouldn’t have sent condolences.

If trump really did shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, many, and I’m guessing Charlie Kirk himself, would applaud it. How do I know this? Almost half of Republicans polled would stand by trump even if incriminated in the Epstein Files.

How empathy came to be seen as a weakness in conservative circles
March 22, 20258:05 AM ET
Heard on Weekend Edition Saturday

There's a growing movement, among some conservatives, pushing back against traditional notions of empathy. What's behind it, and what might it mean, especially for Christian conservatives?

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/22/nx-s1-5321299/how-empathy-came-to-be-seen-as-a-weakness-in-conservative-circles

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JFC

"You should never say bad things about the dead, only good"...Charlie Kirk is dead....good!

I'm a Boomer and well, it's fitting.

Another all-time classic.

Unless it gives us rules. They define each other, just like heads define tails and black defines white. Can’t have one without the other. But that makes too much sense.

I’m thankful for him. I have a perfect example of how not to act. If I’m about to act or say something, I can always ask myself, is this something he would do or say. If it is, I don’t do or say it.

"god given rights" in the same sentence absolutely abhorrent. Also his comments about empathy being "a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage". Apparently he never read the teachings of Jesus.

Meanwhile, I've heard little mention of the three school age children who were shot today. We live in very strange times for sure.

If you are unbothered by a racist fascist kook meeting his fate with the universe, some
May say you are rude.

Than be a Charlie Kirk

What a vile individual. He worked at being evil.

Source-https://crooksandliars.com/2025/09/charlie-kirk-very-upset-more-women-dont



snip-"Apparently, Kirk believes that all those "selfish" women out there who have made having a career instead of having kids a priority are miserable, lonely, and have mental health issues, and the only solution for that problem is to go have a bunch of kids."

snip-"Young women, they don't value having children, and this is one of the reasons why we are seeing a fertility collapse in the West. We're seeing less and less young people get married. We're seeing more and more people go into their 30s to have children.


snip-"And I would also tell young ladies you can always go back to your career later, that there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children, which is beautiful."


More there.

Link to tweet

... appeal to the lowest common denominator and try to stir them up for more hatred.

1. A rabble rouser out to inflame peoples' passion on low level anti-social stuff.

2. Guns, their easy availability and a tool seen by some as a 'solution' to a wide range of problems.

1 meets 2.

Don't act surprised.

And the people in Ukraine, Gaza, Sudan. everywhere.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

order an Eastern European hunky scientist who is wealthy and kind? Or are we supposed to marry the first incel that shows up at our door?

When the general public reads more, they'll be glad he's gone. I highly doubt some alt-right small-face bigoted jackass is going to affect the midterms.

Maybe we wouldn't be living with the cancer of MAGA penetrated onto us.

Karma is real, and it has nothing to do with politics.

4 and half years totally drug free..

If you don't have empathy, you don't have nothing. Period.

Because I sure haven’t.

Don't get me started. I think "greatness" started out the door back around the time "Progress" was dumped for "Exceptionalism".

like they think they have absolute power and have no intention of giving it up.

as some on this board have claimed. But I'm not going to pretend he wasn't a vile human being.

Charlie had a habit of tapping into the fetid thinking in some human brains and both amplified and legitimized that thinking.

There must be a better way to short circuit people like him, but in America he got a solid platform to spew his vitriol on.

Glad he is done fermenting resentment? Sure.

He was a dog that barked too loud, and someone decided to do something about it.
Kristi Noem style.

but just because he’s dead (no matter how it happened) doesn’t erase his hateful, violent , fascist life.

Looks like he was actually wrong.

may he live on with the release of the Epstein files.

Kirk was murdered, that was a crime, but let's keep in mind Kirk espoused hatred.

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Won't miss ya a bit!

FAFO

FDT!

Nothing wrong with that.

Though I'm guessing more than a few snowflakes will be triggered, and cry 'VERY UNFAIR!!!' upon the public seeing his standards and beliefs listed.