This may not be the last one for this gunman....

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green light and getaway assistance.

They'll use him/her again. Seems there was much dislike among magats towards Kirk. Is it because he ran against trump from the right?


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One perfect shot from a long distance.

Clean get away with no leads.

So far shooter has made no mistakes.

and rubbish about two different persons detained and released

Or was some of the confusion part of his plan?

or both?

I wouldn't put this past for this regime to do. Kirk the sacrificial lamb??? or am I just paranoid. Too change the narrative from Epstein to Kirk ( a worthless POS).

Everyone sees a guy in handcuffs and relaxes. Meanwhile Trigger sidles out of UVU and Provo and may be halfway to Reno by now.

While events are fresh in their minds and before they disappear.

It is critical to get witness statements right away.
And other evidence at the crime scene.

A professional could be out of the country by now.

It was a remarkable shot and the shooter was calm, focused, and confident.
Perfect shot and clean get away.

Right now the FBI should be reviewing any and all video of the event.
Any clue could be helpful.

Many people are discussing the fatal shot from the perspective of it being too high for a torso shot and too low for a head shot, and I agree. If the shooter was looking to hit the trapezoid muscles, the muscles that go down to the shoulders from the neck, then it would be like nicking an ear. The shot would be the correct height and a near miss would place a deadly shot in the artery versus a flesh wound. But that's just my thinking.

Although the people who would benefit from this the most would be people like the piece of shit who wants to send the military into every area where Democrats vote, what better reason than lots of shootings to do exactly that.

These are sick people

No one very close to him, a lot less chance of anyone being collateral damage. No bulletproof screens around him. I don't think anyone was behind him. No trees or other obstacles.

To make such a perfect shot on the first try means he had scoped it out before perhaps?

He wasn't behind a lectern; he wasn't walking back and forth on the stage/platform with a portable mic; he was SEATED IN A CHAIR. Motionless. Still target.

Sitting duck.

The guy who was initially arrested and then charged with obstruction distracted the police while the shooter made his getaway

that's what struck me as odd

If another person is part of the crime it makes it more likely the shooter will be caught.
Once one other person knows your secret, it is no longer a secret.
The person running cover for him could flip.

But interesting plan if this is the case.
Have another person running cover for you as you escape.

But it sure seems like a professional job to me, 200 yards away, got away clean, one shot, one kill.....something reeks.

And he stayed calm and cool as cucumber during the kill. One shot right on the money spot.

Any one of a huge number of Utah hunters could have made that shot. Opening day of deer season is a secular holiday in Utah. Businesses close. Uncountable households harbor one or more super accurate, overpowered deer rifles. It needn’t be a professional.

Quite different.

It requires a different skill set and planning.

To make that shot requires training and practice.
Do you realize how many people in Utah CANNOT make that shot?

How many are capable of remaining calm, cool, professional while they kill someone?
A federal capital offense resulting in life in prison or the death penalty.

Then pulling off the escape without a hitch.
Clean quick getaway.

And did it all with producing no leads, no witnesses.

This is a man with nerves of steel. Some sort of gun training.
Remains calm, focused, skillful even under pressure.
Perhaps military training.

Some of the skill set is not necessary when killing a deer.

I bet the number of hunters in America who have actually made a 200 yard shot on a deer or elk is exceedingly small. I'm sure there are many that will say they know someone who made a 200 yard shot, but if you actually went to the location of their shot and stepped it off it'd be 100 or 120 at the most.

And then you've got wind to deal with.

But I agree with your points about having the nerve to do it and the skill to have a pan to escape at least for now. If this person is still at large a month from now, they're almost for sure funded by a government or an ex spy of some sort who knows all the ins and outs of the FBI's tools for tracking them.

I've been to the range, I've shot targets in the woods. People aren't even practicing 200 yard shots from what I have seen.

It is going to be hard to guess wind speed and direction in such an accurate way
especially at that distance. He had to only fire once to get the money shot.
He is either very lucky or had considerable skill, experience and equipment.

Yes of course. How many Americans have experience accurately killing human beings
at 200 years?

Yes we will know more as time goes by. If this man is at large one month from now with
no clues, we are looking at a professional. At the very least military training.

Left in the woods with prints on it.

That kind of makes it seem amateur, but we will see, could be a decoy.

So someone with training but by no means a professional hit man.
Unless the prints belong to someone else.

of some of the actual tactical experts who have commented on it.

That said:

I still tend to believe that is it was someone with some military background because it was so well executed as a live kill and the shooter got out clean at this point. Hard to see how an "average" citizen pulled this off.

At the same time, if it was an "average" citizen, I have a hard time seeing how it is someone "liberal" cause this takes someone who is a gun nut and thinks in the ways needed to plan this out and again make an escape. Just almost seems to have to be a right winger to have this mindset and gun expertise.

Who had motive? 🤔

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20624932

Maybe a message to other MAGAs not to turn on the boss?

what could be the motive of Homeland's layers of trumpcult help...

https://archive.ph/wchem

Going to k&r!

A complete maga sycophant.

I'm stuck with blackburn, so I empathize.

professional assassin. Anything to do with Epstein and his clients tends to be dangerous.

Cripes 200 yards...

With a clean get away screams pro to me.

EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, & MALARIA

I'm stuck in the red hellhole TN, so I empathize.

I'm just glad winter's coming, and still keeping my eye on NOAA. So far so good.

Lots of hunters are capable of it. Sure, there was a fair amount of skill involved, and a bit of luck to get a fatal shot when he missed the head. Trump's assassin in PA wasn't much closer, IIRC. I couldn't do it myself, I'm sure, but I know people out here who could.

A scope would not even be needed at that range. If a person had only iron sights and aimed for the head but did not allow for drop, they would hit the neck.

Maybe I've watched too many spy movies, but it is hard to believe that that was just a lucky shot by some unhinged nut.

I had just said this to my cousin.

Putin is always looking to sow political discord in the U.S. This act would further his cause.

All three were sharpshooters. Would not be surprised if this shooter was one of putin's own....brought im to stir up shit by killing a very visible reichwingNut. Time will tell.

all those things you suggested. Surreal.. but here we are.

There will be never ending conspiracy theories even after, if he should be caught.

that had the link. That's one of the reasons I suggested a sniper. putting all the clues together.

TY, Sheltie! 💙

Aloha 🌺

We know he was a big supporter of Trump but has he pushed for the Epstein files to be made public lately. At one time, he made a statement that he would have no more to say on it and that he would believe what came from the government.

Even though that shot was well within the capability of most experienced shooters, there are a lot of other factors that go into the equation, such as surveillance, site selection, timing, disguise, no collateral damage, and exit strategy. This was done by a professional.

I'm assuming they dropped the weapon though as they probably would have stuck out with a bag large enough to carry it.

I'm guessing it was quickly dissembled and dropped into them as they are essentially commercial somewhat flat buildings. So they often put drains in the corners for the water to go somewhere.

Reading up on Charlie, who was not known to me before, he was a prominent "influencer." And he apparently was not on board with blocking the epstein files contents.

All the competent people no longer work for the FBI.

We'll have a visual on the shooter by morning, but whether it is a worthwhile visual is another matter. This is going to be a Luigi situation but maybe without the mental illness and silly mistakes.

Modern law enforcement whether it’s the local yokels or the feds is largely incompetent.

Maybe staged so that Magats can blame Democrats
and give Trump the excuse to go nuclear on blue cities
and make sure elections are not free and fair.

yes

To make that shot is hard. But to plan it such that you can get away from the scene takes a lot of know how.

Still will probably get caught, but this was not some amateur.

It takes a little while to collect the cameras and piece together the movements, but that doesn't mean it's somebody who's doing anything other than what would require moderate planning.

So whatever he had for security, clearly was not enough.

This could be fun if it were to get out of hand!

There is nothing written in stone saying that an assassin is required to be a thoughtless, careless, stumblebum who failed to use the right tools for the job or littered the crime scene with clues. Kirk’s killer was much less inept than Ryan Routh.

Where the guy shoots, makes his escape perfectly planned quickly, takes off jacket, hat, shirt, changes with backpack...then takes gun apart and throws it away in pieces no fingerprints. Goes back to motel changes wig, glasses clothes and is out in minutes and using fresh passport flies out instantly from SLC and is already overseas by now never to be seen again.

If it's true he wasn't going to give up on Epstein like the rest of maga podcasters then maga or Trumps people might have taken him out as he had a lot of influence. Joe Ryan better watch out then.

just for not being white.

All white.

I believe the campus police force had all of six people, and Kirk's personal security detail would have been preoccupied with responding to him. I don't think six guys were ready to respond to all the resulting chaos effectively, other than some crowd control. The shooter had plenty of time to blend into the crowd and withdraw, if he kept his composure. Kirk was a soft target.

That might partially explained why he easily pulled it off.

Or it was an inside job, but I'm not saying that.
At this time.

Just a blob, but obviously a person moving deliberately in a run.

Could just be some guy watching who panicked and ran like everyone else on the scene. What baffles me is that apparently no gun has been found. It would seem to me that either they find a gun at the scene or someone with a gun is seen running away.

Thanks for the qualifier. In another video, there were other people watching from a rooftop, so it's certainly possible that it was just a spectator.

Totally agree on the gun. I said so here: https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20627370

That’s some sniper shit.

And it might not be that peculiar for a sniper to get away.

for someone with a bit of experience

Is every person who shoots another always caught in less than six hours?

Aka Russian.

If. I recall correctly, close to half of murder cases aren’t solved .

Or Ernst Rohm, or Gregor Stasser. Wessell is more spot on. The Rohm and Stasser coincidences are still to come.