Who had motive? 🤔

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After I stop laughing, without question that the piece of shit and Vance and MAGA and the administration and Putin and the rest of these scumbags benefit from the shooting far more than anybody else, obviously.

Since we know there is nothing, literally nothing they won’t do to destroy the Democratic Party and the left hand for that matter all non-MAGA supporters, it’s very possible the shooter and the shooting was planned to start more violence and chaos so the piece of shit could send the military everywhere.

We know he can’t allow elections, he would lose and so would his party.

Eventually dementia or cardio-vascular disease will claim Taco.

From speaking with a few associates, it is possible it was a mechanic, possible foreign but here with official cover. They note the person got in, got on the roof, made the kill, and disappeared without being seen.

I'd say anyone who really didn't want the Epstein files opened, possibly due to Epsteins connections to intelligence, might have a motive. I'm not saying that is more likely than a "leftist." But it could be killing three birds with one shot.

But of course is by no means definitive.

My daughter in law is super blue and went to Texas Tech.

Look at Texas A&M. I know Democratic campaign consultants who went to A&M. One of my best friends went there. Most of them have scholarships.

Does it mean that everyone is red??? Is it 100% red?? Utah is 40% blue.

Kids go to school where they get scholarships and my daughter and daughter had scholarships in red cities with red universities, but still there are plenty of Democrats on most college campuses, except for places like Liberty University.

Must be radical leftist right? And yeah I alerted on your B.S.

Wow, you really punched that one through.. Please have a rest, maybe a spot of tea before trying standing before toddling off to bed.

You figure it out.

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and has so far gotten away make a post like this.

Right about now, that doofus is regretting he ever learned to type on a phone.

Then someone else grabbed the @ name for some reason.

"Person of Interest" that was detained and released, but who knows?

Could've been an "Omar" or Omar could be a pseudonym. Lots of ways to disguise your identity on line. Food for thought.

One was the older gentleman you may be referring to, the other was younger, had a long gun in his vehicle, but it turned out to be a pellet gun, not a lethal weapon.

I felt so bad for him. Even if he was guilty of something he should have been treated with more dignity. I guess it's not innocent until... anymore. Also disgusting.

What's that in the picture? Looks like a close up out of kilter snapshot of his Dalmation.
Wonder if anyone remembers someone walking around with his Dalmation at the festivities?
I do notice that little asterisk just above the bridge of Dal's nose.

And pretty much any scoped hunting rifle could do. I have seen videos of people with hunting rifles hit person sized targets to 300 yards with out issue. We don't even know where he was hit yet, I have heard chest and bullet came out him neck, I have heard it was a neck shot. If it was a neck shot I seriously doubt anyone would aim for it. They would aim head or chest and if a neck shot, that means they missed the head by 6 inches and the chest up to 12 inches.

Arterial spray suggest he probably bled out before anyone could even get to him. Whoever hit him was a pro.

I've looked for it and can't find it. I don't want to be morbid, but I would like to see it to be able to judge for myself.

There were several posts immediately after the news hit of the shooting. Every post that I read that was someone who had seen the video stated that it was a clean hit and that Kirk was assuredly killed. So it must be pretty clear.

Thanks in advance.

It's pretty bad

I’m sure the removal is appropriate.

There are already QAnon posts saying something in the video shows a ring on one finger before the shot and then on another finger after the shot. SMH…

Trust those of us that have seen it. You will wish you hadn't.

It’s from twitter, I don’t know how to post video from there so you might just have to click on the link.

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That is the lowest specialized badge in shooting.

The badge requires hitting a torso sized target at 400 yards with a peep site with an M-16 rifle. A neck shot at 200 yards is not hard. Many, many folks can do it, with a scope, many more.

hell-bent on claiming it was a professional, therefore, either a Deep State action or other hired hit or special forces. Too much speculation, IMO. It appears the guy planned his approach, nest, and escape.

Which might be an obvious conclusion for those who have more knowledge on the subject of assassination than me.

A 200-yard shot on a 6" circle (reasonable target size for a head shot) is, as many others have already pointed out, a fairly trivial thing for someone with a decent deer rifle and a few days' range practice. I haven't fired a shot in over a year and I expect I could do it.

I'd bet the shooter was aiming for his temple and went low, either not a great shot or didn't adjust the scope for the range.

Had it been an inch or so further back and hit his spine, it would have vaporized his brainstem and we'd have seen decerebrate posturing, or even just a "marionette with the strings cut" limp drop.

I'm saying I think the shot was intended to go a few inches higher, directly into the side of his head–I think the shooter was going for maximum shock value along with the kill, and having seen the results of a rifle to the head (the early Internet was a gory, gory place)…have you ever seen Scanners?

With the…head scene.

Literally and figuratively, was for a bloody explosion? Wouldn't that take more than one bullet. Or at least a specialized projectile with several shots?

Besides in the film it's created by internal pressure and not an external penetration.

This seems more like an assassination. A perfectly placed shot to the brainstem would be extremely effective and no where near a bloody explosion. But just as deadly. And certainly the immediate effect would be terrifying because it only took one shot.

Murder has become so sensationalized and death often a joke, that I think we have forgotten how little it takes to kill someone. Sometimes it takes very little to die.

And no, it doesn't take anything specialized–one high-power bullet is more than adequate. Look up videos of people shooting watermelons. Come to think of it, the film scene was done with a fake skull stuffed full of ground meat and a shotgun blast from behind, not an internal explosion.

FWIW I don't think a true professional would have put the bullet there; at that range a real sharpshooter can be precise to under half an inch. The impact would have been a bit farther up and back, just at the base of the skull…that vaporizes the medulla oblongata, what snipers call "the apricot". As Maru has shown, that was definitely *not* hit or else he'd have displayed instant flaccid paralysis, limply dropped, rather than either of the traumatic brain damage responses.

Any hunter or trained shooter knows what will kill effectively. Thanks at least 50% of the population, and I’d wager many more than that. It’s about as basic as “who was the 2nd president of the US?”

doesn't seem all that remarkable to me, especially when you consider how the long the farthest wartime sniper shots can be.

I could do it pretty easily, just from 30 yr of practice shooting targets, woodchucks, deer and gophers on my dad's farm, using a $600 rifle and scope that anyone can buy at Fleet Farm.

The skill lies in the planning and getaway.

I shake too much!

Prarie dogs make for ample practice. Speculation on political affiliation is pointless.

His posts are now protected.

The original account was deleted and then the @ name was used by someone else.

To be able to take one shot and have it be on target, the caliber of the bullet had to be as well to rupture the Carotid artery in such a fashion. If that is what took place to cause death so quickly.

This is really motivated reasoning.

There is no way that body had a pulse when it was loaded in the vehicle and driven to the hospital. I’m an RN who has seen a LOT of blood and I have never, never seen that much blood. The quantity was just breathtaking.

Depending how big a wound when the carotid artery is involved.

Of course, panic speeds things up as well.

Kirk was killed instantly. His neck was broken by the bullet.

of the immediacy of damage and devestation wrought when blood flow to the cerebral cortex is catistrophically and utterly terminated. It’s absolutely fair to say he died “instantly” and I’m pretty sure that’s how it will likely be described most often.

Rigid....Best description is rigid.


Did not see death because I didn't work those units. So, we didn't see that completely flopped posture.

He missed. He shot high because it was downhill and he pulled right - common for right handed shooters.

Probably aimed at the chest, but a downhill shot would have impacted higher than aimed. Still, given that he killed his target with one shot, I don't know if we can say that he missed. His margin of error was small enough that a small miscalculation in any direction would still have been fatal.

Aim big; miss big.

I just measured myself, from my solar plexus to my chin is 12". That's an absolutely MASSIVE miss at 200 (wasn't it more like 175?) yards; I haven't seen a lot of detail about the elevation but what I have seen it doesn't look like it so extreme that it would throw things off that much…looking at the charts, a 20% depression at 200 yards is an effective range of 188 yards, which plugged into a ballistic calculator (with some assumptions about the rifle) is only going to hit about an inch high.

I also measured from my temple to my throat, which is a shade under 4". Looking back at the ballistic calculator, a rifle zeroed at 100 yards, with the same 20% depression, would hit about 3" low at 200 yards…seems a lot more likely to me that the shooter had a rifle set to 100 and in the heat of the moment forgot to hold over, rather than aimed CoM and missed by a solid foot.

It puts your point blank range right around 275 yards.

But most people go to the range, zero in at 100 yards, and forget about it. Not to mention that PBR is generally a 3" range, entirely adequate for hitting the vitals of a large game animal but not great for a precision headshot…there's a reason snipers know their exact zero range and calculate from that.

I checked a ballistics chart and forgetting the zero at 175 yards (for a 308) lines up perfectly with missing a temple shot by 4 inches low.

He could have been aiming for the chest or head.

are standing in the sun? Just for shade? He injured? Or is it his guru style?

He was most likely some distance from security on the scene

plus a team of 2 or 3 private security guards for Kirk

...for an event with about 2-3 thousand spectators

it doesn't sound all that difficult for an assailant to escape from that scene

It's getting more and more aggressive.

The nation is growing more tense.

Hunting elk, mule deer, and pronghorn. 200 yards was easy. 350 plus yards start taking real skill. The bullet hit high because he was shooting downhill. You always hit high shooting downhill. There was nothing special about the shooting.

Beliefs. They're not typically aligned on the plain of logic and thus it's hard to ground them to reality

That I haven't read anything about the possibility of it being a person who has a history of IPV since there's such a high correlation between domestic violence and gun violence.

But then I've not read but a few threads on the incident.

Maybe this person was really pissed about the nasty shit Kirk said over the years, but I doubt it comes down to someone getting offended over speech or ideology.

The goal in these cases is usually creating mass civil disturbance and violence. I think this assassin wanted to set off a civil war or instigate a massive crackdown.

This kind of violence can spiral out of control. Can we trust the investigation at this point? How objectively fair and accurate will it be? I fear entire the apparatus is so corrupted and politicized at not only the federal level, but at the state level as well (after all, it’s Utah and fully controlled by republicans).

They are talking about time for the war in Israel to end.

In July, at Kirk’s big Turning Points event in Tampa, he hosted a debate between Libertarian podcaster, comic Dave Smith (who is now pretty famous on social media) and Josh Hammer. Hammer is very pro Israel and Dave (who is Jewish)has been very vocal about Gaza and asked “Why are we subdizing the killing of kids in Gaza”

Polls said Smith won the debate - with some young Republicans very angry with Kirk for having Dave Smith on. Part of the audience of young Republicans walked out but most stayed clapping for Dave the anti Gaza war debater. Since that debate, Kirk told Kelly he’s getting lots of hate mail for having an anti war Libertarian at Turning Points - so it could be an angry Republican that killed him.

Megan Kelly has been so pro Israel and then she has MTG on her show talking about the dead and injured Gaza kids - then Megan (who I really dislike) softens up a little on her pro Israel stance - then Megan has on Kirk who is super pro Israel but suggests the war needs to end - he tells Megan Republicans are angry with him over having Dave Smith in a debate at Turning Points.

I don’t listen to these shows BUT I got all this info from X clips from their programs. I follow Dems & Republicans on X to see what’s happening

What is happening is many journalists on both sides including Anna of The Young Turks and Kim Iversen plus some Republicans all claiming on X they are getting threats on their lives and they are not suicidal.

My guess is that he was aiming for center mass. The chest area.

Hunting deer and killing a person are two different things entirely from a mental perspective. Whoever did this had confidence. They obviously had an escape plan, too.

GRU probably.

Wondering if this might be a message from Putin to Trump (i.e., *I* can get to anyone, etc.). Purely supposition on my part admittedly, of course, but everything is on the table until they find out who did this.

I honestly wasn't all that familiar with Charlie Kirk. I mean, I'd heard of him and knew his stance, etc., but was it typical of him to attend events and just sit out in the open without any kind of protection, etc.? The utter irony of all of this is not lost.

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

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I guess it could go either way. He could have wanted Kirk, as a pro 'Release the Files' spokesperson to be "an example" to instill fear.

General discord, message to the Orange Anus, etc, etc.

this did cross my mind.

A lot of avid shooters could make that shot, it is done all the time, 200 yards with a decent rig is not all that difficult.

Deep pockets pay big bucks for this so called hunting. They are scoped and very accurate. With today's tech anyone can be a marksman for the right price. But, it was probably just someone with a good scope, a steady hand who practiced and had a good getaway plan.

Everything I've seen for the past hour or so suggests the shot was fired from the roof of a univeristy building about 520 feet from Kirk -- that's 173 yards.

I have two rifles -- one a decent Remington 783 with a cheap no-name scope, .243 caliber; the other is a Weatherby Mark V Deluxe with a Leupold scope that cost more than the rifle, .308 caliber.

The .243 is sighted at 150 yards, the .308 at 200 yards. 175 yards with either of my rifles is not a big deal and can be accomplished with minimal training.

My 18-yr old grandson is midly autistic. At age 13 he asked me to teach him to shoot. After less than 30 minutes on the range, with the .308 he was putting 3-round groups into a 2-inch diameter circle at 300 yards.

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We have no idea who the shooter is, what his political affiliation is, or if he even has one. This is no better than Trump and the MAGAs blaming the "radical left." Without information, we know absolutely nothing.

Refine and distill it down to individuals in the geographic location at the time along with some other data points and the results could get even more interesting.

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I'm fairly convinced the person who did this was young. Let's face who else would want to murder Charlie Kirk? He's influencing young people, so it must have bugged him. Old people wouldn't bother. I probably would not have noticed or even cared if Charlie Kirk was in town.

I tend to think the political leanings of this person probably won't make sense to much of anyone. Often they're loco and their thoughts are extreme.

Now if it was Sean Hannity......It would be some older dude....

It’s an easy shot if you haven’t had 3 cups of expresso.
Here’s the ballistic table entry for a .30 caliber (typical ) round at 200 yards, assumes a muzzle velocity of 2500 fps.
An experienced shooter with a good rifle should be able to put 3 shots into a baseball at 200 yards.
A competitive shooter with an optimized rifle and average scope can put 3 rounds in a golf ball at that range.

200 Range (yd)
3.1 Drop (in)
2284 Velocity (fps)
1946 Energy (ft-lbs)
.251 TOF (s)

Sanity noted and appreciated.

Google says a golf ball is 1.7" in diameter, which @200y is 0.85MOA (minutes of angle, the most common measure of shooting accuracy) - anyone reasonably competent equipped with a good rifle can pull that off. I have (shooting paper), and I'm hardly Craig Harrison.

A sniper or target shooter at 200y, with a properly accurized rifle, should be able to easily dip below 0.5MOA…that's the size of a quarter.

JFK was a moving target.

Many military veterans trained in the use of firearms are Democrats. So are a lot of police officers. You are really barking up the wrong tree here.

If the killer wa s in fact flown out of the country in a private jet, seems like it's something more than political.