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senseandsensibility

(23,758 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:09 PM Wednesday

Refreshing honesty from Elizabeth Warren just now

A journalist asked her about people who say Dems need to tone down their rhetoric: "Oh please. Why don't you start with the president of the United States? And every ugly meme he's posted and every ugly word."

I also have to wonder why journalists are not following Republican Senators around asking about the rhetoric on their side when it is so much worse.

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Refreshing honesty from Elizabeth Warren just now (Original Post) senseandsensibility Wednesday OP
Clip In It to Win It Wednesday #1
The media talking heads are conveniently forgetting Sharron Angle 2010..... lastlib Wednesday #7
What happened today was BLOWBACK. DinahMoeHum Wednesday #2
You go Liz! progressoid Wednesday #3
She wasn't having it senseandsensibility Wednesday #4
I don't recall any Dems calling for violence newdeal2 Wednesday #5
ImWithHer! oasis Wednesday #6
So am I! calimary Thursday #34
Who was this "journalist"? skypilot Wednesday #8
T:(&$ has literally said he hates us berniesandersmittens Wednesday #9
Thank You, Sen Warren!... electric_blue68 Wednesday #10
It's a fucking joke. There is NO discourse on the left in this country that is even remotely equivalent to what the Karasu Wednesday #11
Donald Trump does not get a pass on his violent rhetoric... kentuck Wednesday #12
From us maybe Bettie Thursday #25
K&R spanone Wednesday #13
Why don't we ever hear those kinds of questions ReRe Wednesday #14
Senator Professor Warren bagimin Wednesday #15
Leadership from Elizabeth Warren! Every Dem should follow her lead. thought crime Thursday #16
Knr for wonderful UTUSN Thursday #17
This message was self-deleted by its author UTUSN Thursday #18
IOKIYAR - it's OK if you're a republican... Wounded Bear Thursday #19
Do we even know who the shooter is yet? yliza Thursday #20
No. And with the mass firing of so many experienced FBI agents who knows Callie1979 Thursday #22
But, they're hiring new ones Bettie Thursday #26
They've probably made having a white penis a requirement mnhtnbb Thursday #27
No. I know that you posted this last night senseandsensibility Thursday #32
Because the so called "Jounalists" Cha Thursday #21
I'm sure someone will make a compilation of all the violent Trump posts. Callie1979 Thursday #23
I don't "wonder why." The news media has degenerated into a right wing propaganda machine run... NNadir Thursday #24
She actualy has a grasp of what's going on and she isn't kissing MAGAs ass. Autumn Thursday #28
Yes exactly. senseandsensibility Thursday #35
I cannot think of a single case of a prominent liberal threatening violence against political opponents. Midnight Writer Thursday #29
Your head is most definitely not in the sand. senseandsensibility Thursday #31
no shit. barbtries Thursday #30
Elizabeth Clouds Passing Thursday #33

lastlib

(26,674 posts)
7. The media talking heads are conveniently forgetting Sharron Angle 2010.....
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:03 PM
Wednesday

calling for "second amendment solutions." And she wasn't threatening repuglikans.

DinahMoeHum

(23,161 posts)
2. What happened today was BLOWBACK.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:38 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Thu Sep 11, 2025, 03:44 PM - Edit history (1)

And I'm sorry that I'm not sorry at what happened.

senseandsensibility

(23,758 posts)
4. She wasn't having it
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:55 PM
Wednesday

and good for her. I abhor violence and am against it under any circumstances including this one, but the rush to blame Dems is not coming from an honest place.

newdeal2

(3,962 posts)
5. I don't recall any Dems calling for violence
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:58 PM
Wednesday

Certainly not towards Kirk, or really anyone. I doubt Kirk was on any elected Dem’s mind this morning even.

BS media framing. Focus on the gun problem in this country.

berniesandersmittens

(12,480 posts)
9. T:(&$ has literally said he hates us
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:21 PM
Wednesday

More than once, on live tv and on the internet.

He's called us animals, radicals, terrorists, criminals, nasty, low IQ, scum, aliens, and communists.

Mirror, meet face.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
11. It's a fucking joke. There is NO discourse on the left in this country that is even remotely equivalent to what the
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:35 PM
Wednesday

right has said and done for the last 10 fucking years.

The MSM simply couldn't give less of a fuck when there's more money to be made from keeping up this charade and kissing fascist boots.

ReRe

(11,872 posts)
14. Why don't we ever hear those kinds of questions
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:40 PM
Wednesday

when the media interviews the right wing on camera running down a hall or out in the rain??
Where's the GD liberal fucking media????
What this tells me is that all Democrats need to turn up the rhetoric every time a journalist
sticks a mic in their face and asks a stupid question like that.
And on the floor of the Congress and the Senate!

thought crime

(759 posts)
16. Leadership from Elizabeth Warren! Every Dem should follow her lead.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:03 AM
Thursday

Nothing to apologize for. Trump and his minions have been begging for this. It's what they want.

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

yliza

(179 posts)
20. Do we even know who the shooter is yet?
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 01:35 AM
Thursday

I haven’t seen anything identifying him, though it’s possible that I missed it. It’s way too early to be casting blame, but of course we all know it’s just their excuse for doing what they’ve always wanted to do, which is to criminalize resistance.

Callie1979

(918 posts)
22. No. And with the mass firing of so many experienced FBI agents who knows
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:28 AM
Thursday

They may have been able to find out about this before it happened.

Bettie

(18,845 posts)
26. But, they're hiring new ones
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:30 AM
Thursday

and they don't even have to have any college! And shorter training time, so they will be....significantly less competent.

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-patel-fbi-recruitment-standards-lower-rcna226690

“Instead of spending about 18 weeks training at the academy in Quantico, Va., the group of agents, tentatively scheduled to start in October, will receive eight weeks,” sources told The Times. The report says this change is being made in response to the projected loss of thousands of agents in September, resulting from early retirements and severance packages some agents have sought as the Trump administration has sought to slash the federal workforce. (The FBI declined to comment to the Times on the reason for the changes.)

The news follows reporting from my colleague Ken Dilanian that the administration’s pressure campaign to force top officials out of the FBI, which has disproportionately affected women and people of color, has prompted demands from Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., that the Justice Department’s inspector general investigate the matter. Dilanian also reported that the FBI would be reinstating a requirement that all agents be able to perform one strict pullup — a requirement that Durbin warned could deplete the number of women agents by 30 percent. Past research has helped bolster this claim.

As for the weakened education and training requirement, there's certainly twisted irony in Trump and his administration breathlessly repeating their bigoted claim that diversity, equity and inclusion policies in the federal government prioritize diversity over merit — only for them to lower their own standards in order to replenish the ranks of one of the most essential crime-fighting organizations in the nation.

mnhtnbb

(32,814 posts)
27. They've probably made having a white penis a requirement
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:45 AM
Thursday

and EVERYBODY knows that a white penis contains a secondary source of brain matter. Right?

senseandsensibility

(23,758 posts)
32. No. I know that you posted this last night
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 03:15 PM
Thursday

and it's now past noon on the Westcoast, but we still do not know who the shooter was. So this "journalist" was just going with a RW narrative and trying to blame Democrats based on nothing. Glad Warren put him or her in their place.

Cha

(314,216 posts)
21. Because the so called "Jounalists"
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:33 AM
Thursday

are nothing but robots for their corp masters.

TY & Sen Warren.. perfect reply!

Callie1979

(918 posts)
23. I'm sure someone will make a compilation of all the violent Trump posts.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:30 AM
Thursday

At least I HOPE so
I have a lot of friends who are screaming from the rooftops about this.

NNadir

(36,565 posts)
24. I don't "wonder why." The news media has degenerated into a right wing propaganda machine run...
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:20 AM
Thursday

...by its inordinate wealthy owners, the 400 people who own 20% of the nation's wealth.

senseandsensibility

(23,758 posts)
35. Yes exactly.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 07:28 PM
Thursday

I have to say that I'm disappointed that other Dem leaders don't seem to be able to respond with her clarity.

Midnight Writer

(24,675 posts)
29. I cannot think of a single case of a prominent liberal threatening violence against political opponents.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:36 PM
Thursday

Have I just got my head in the sand?

Can anyone cite any instances of this? I'm sure there must be one somewhere, but I can't think of any.

Maybe when a journalist asks about violent liberal rhetoric, we should ask them for examples. If they don't have any, we then provide them with a list of RW calls to violence.

senseandsensibility

(23,758 posts)
31. Your head is most definitely not in the sand.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:09 PM
Thursday

You know how I can be sure of that? If there was such a case, the corporate media would be running it on a loop 24/7 and stalking every Democratic politician to scold them about it. That's not happening, so it doesn't exist. On the other hand, the media has access to many R's calling for violence that they could be questioning republicans about.

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