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drray23

(8,411 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:10 PM Wednesday

Another worrysome thing about the Kirk incident is how many young people

were eager to be there, cheering at this despicable white supremacist. This really puts into perspective how the RW manosphere has managed to capture a sizeable fraction of the youth. It's not beneficial for the country's future.

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Another worrysome thing about the Kirk incident is how many young people (Original Post) drray23 Wednesday OP
It happened in a very conservative part of a very conservative state. Ocelot II Wednesday #1
Not to many.... Lovie777 Wednesday #7
He goes to blue state schools too newdeal2 Wednesday #9
Yeah....not anymore he's not.... PCIntern Thursday #23
I was shocked at the number - 3,000 attendees Iris Wednesday #2
He was seated on a throne like Jim Jones. Klarkashton Wednesday #3
I saw pic of him and his wife Tree Lady Wednesday #6
In general I share your concerns. OTOH, it's Utah. RockRaven Wednesday #4
Watched a vigil earlier at the Univ of Alabama berniesandersmittens Wednesday #5
It's Orem obamanut2012 Wednesday #8
how much were students or just people who followed him around? pstokely Wednesday #10
They weren't all there to cheer him on, there were some there to genuinely debate his positions. Bev54 Wednesday #11
debating a nazi, mysoginist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc.. does not work. drray23 Wednesday #12
They are young people, still very idealistic. Bev54 Wednesday #14
Thank you. H2O Man Thursday #16
Thanks, I was once that young idealistic person Bev54 Thursday #17
I was once an idealistic old man. H2O Man Thursday #21
Someone who claimed to be an attendee called in to Dean Obeidallah today Alice B. Wednesday #13
well, that's a bit of a relief NJCher Thursday #19
I hear you! Alice B. Thursday #22
This message was self-deleted by its author NJCher Thursday #20
I recently BigMin28 Thursday #15
I almost disagree oldmanlynn Thursday #18

Ocelot II

(127,071 posts)
1. It happened in a very conservative part of a very conservative state.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:12 PM
Wednesday

It's not typical of many other places. Kirk wouldn't have been welcome at colleges in my state.

newdeal2

(3,966 posts)
9. He goes to blue state schools too
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:40 PM
Wednesday

And gets sizable crowds, and has a large online following. I don’t like the guy but he is a pretty important part of RW media.

Iris

(16,622 posts)
2. I was shocked at the number - 3,000 attendees
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:14 PM
Wednesday

When Turning Point was at an institution where I once worked, the "group" was usually small - maybe 5 students a campus of 10,000

Tree Lady

(12,692 posts)
6. I saw pic of him and his wife
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:28 PM
Wednesday

Reminded me of the couples in The Righteous Gemstones on HBO. My hubby loves that show.

RockRaven

(17,960 posts)
4. In general I share your concerns. OTOH, it's Utah.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:18 PM
Wednesday

Not only one of the most conservative states, but one of the most brainwashingly cultish environments for young people in the country. I am not surprised in the slightest the KKirK could draw a crowd there.

berniesandersmittens

(12,480 posts)
5. Watched a vigil earlier at the Univ of Alabama
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:18 PM
Wednesday

Those kids were devastated. They have a martyr now.

Bev54

(12,847 posts)
11. They weren't all there to cheer him on, there were some there to genuinely debate his positions.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:35 PM
Wednesday

drray23

(8,411 posts)
12. debating a nazi, mysoginist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc.. does not work.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:37 PM
Wednesday

Hopefully, people will start to realize that. People like Kirk need to be ostracized and ignored, not made legitimate.

H2O Man

(77,892 posts)
21. I was once an idealistic old man.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:49 AM
Thursday

Now I am an idealistic really, really old man! But today we are witnessing a terrible time in society.

Alice B.

(612 posts)
13. Someone who claimed to be an attendee called in to Dean Obeidallah today
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:39 PM
Wednesday

And estimated the crowd was half supporters, half curiosity-seekers / not supporters.

NJCher

(41,357 posts)
19. well, that's a bit of a relief
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:23 AM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Sep 11, 2025, 01:37 AM - Edit history (1)

Because as an academic, I'm very familiar with the crowds that student programming brings in. I was surprised at the large number of students this event attracted, and I'm talking about comparisons with universities that have a similar number of students (30-40k).

The comments on this thread somewhat alleviate my concerns. I saw a few interviews with students on television and there were 3 young women who seemed like they showed up to debate. Yes, agreed, it's a waste of time to do so with someone like Kirk, but that's beside the point. it sounds like it attracted numbers of people from different points of view.

I still have a concern, though. Every student programming organization has a faculty adviser or more likely, a director student activities. This person, whoever it was, did not do their job in vetting Charlie Kirk. The remarks he's made about gun rights and sacrificing lives should have taken him out of the running for a campus appearance.

If you watched the videos on the Axios story, though, he is clear about the number of campuses he wanted to visit. They may have put the sales pressure on the school to let him make an appearance.

This needs to be looked into. It's an angle of the story that hasn't been reported on yet.

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Alice B.

(612 posts)
22. I hear you!
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:33 AM
Thursday

I need to find the post again but the clip with the caller was shared to Bluesky (as I sneak a quick doomscrolling peek at my phone upon arriving at work).

Response to Alice B. (Reply #13)

BigMin28

(1,762 posts)
15. I recently
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:03 AM
Thursday

Started a new job. Quite a few young people work there, especially 20 something young men. I was quite surprised, none of them cared for him. That is putting their comments in the nicest way possible. Considering it's texas, I was pleasantly surprised.

oldmanlynn

(719 posts)
18. I almost disagree
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:07 AM
Thursday

I think there has to be anger and hate for what’s happening to our country. It is so serious that people lying and bringing about all the chaos and turmoil that we’ve seen, would qualify at the top level of that anger and frustration.

I do understand the gravity of losing a father or losing your life. I get it.

But I can understand people cheering as well.

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