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drray23

(8,407 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:15 PM Wednesday

on MSNBC just showing a graphic that the shot was taken from 520 ft ??

If thats the case, its definitely not a random dude. Military training.

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on MSNBC just showing a graphic that the shot was taken from 520 ft ?? (Original Post) drray23 Wednesday OP
Said someone who really has no idea Ponietz Wednesday #1
Not right in the jugular though, that was DEAD on. Military for sure. Blues Heron Wednesday #2
They were probably aiming for the head and missed. bluedigger Wednesday #3
He was known to wear body armor. joshcryer Wednesday #7
I dont know what video you watched. johnnyfins Wednesday #15
Look close his shirt moves for a frame. joshcryer Wednesday #18
I stand corrected. I saw some slow mo johnnyfins Wednesday #20
Wow. bluedigger Wednesday #16
Interesting. Abolishinist Wednesday #17
I didn't see it until others pointed it out. joshcryer Wednesday #19
Agreed...there's no reason to believe that the shot hit the intended target area Prairie Gates Wednesday #22
Negativeon the .mil line of thinking. Chuuku Davis Wednesday #5
No reason to speculate Renew Deal Wednesday #6
Center mass Wifes husband Wednesday #10
You don't know that Ponietz Wednesday #12
I personally think ex military, cop, or hunter. joshcryer Wednesday #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Wifes husband Wednesday #23
You don't need military training for a 200 yard shot Renew Deal Wednesday #4
I can hit a steel target easily at this distance. However taking a neck shot drray23 Wednesday #8
Why assume they were aiming for the neck? DetroitLegalBeagle Wednesday #11
I suppose they could have gotten lucky. drray23 Wednesday #14
520 feet is nothing for a rifle DetroitLegalBeagle Wednesday #9
520 ft isn't much now days D_Master81 Wednesday #13

Ponietz

(4,007 posts)
1. Said someone who really has no idea
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:19 PM
Wednesday

Many without military training can hit a target from 175 yards.

bluedigger

(17,318 posts)
3. They were probably aiming for the head and missed.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:28 PM
Wednesday

Military are trained to aim for center of mass (the chest).

joshcryer

(62,529 posts)
7. He was known to wear body armor.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:30 PM
Wednesday

It looks like it actually bounced off the armor and hit his artery and slide up into his brain.

johnnyfins

(2,832 posts)
15. I dont know what video you watched.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:38 PM
Wednesday

I saw the closeup one from in front of him. Looked like the bullet went in the right side of his neck and exited the left, hence the blood pouring out.

bluedigger

(17,318 posts)
16. Wow.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:42 PM
Wednesday

Talk about your unintended consequences. Plenty of people survive a shot to the chest.

Abolishinist

(2,736 posts)
17. Interesting.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:43 PM
Wednesday

When I played the video in slo-mo, it looked like his shirt at the collar moved up prior to the bullet wound. Hard to tell due to the time between frames, but it was puzzling to me. This might explain it.

joshcryer

(62,529 posts)
19. I didn't see it until others pointed it out.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:50 PM
Wednesday

I definitely think that's what happened. He wore a light vest from what I read but trying to source this is difficult with all the current event links.

Prairie Gates

(6,207 posts)
22. Agreed...there's no reason to believe that the shot hit the intended target area
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:25 PM
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Could well have been a lucky (for the shooter) accident after a missed headshot.

Chuuku Davis

(598 posts)
5. Negativeon the .mil line of thinking.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:29 PM
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Anyone in our shooting club could easily make that shot.
There are a LOT of very good non military shooters in the USA.

Renew Deal

(84,455 posts)
6. No reason to speculate
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:30 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:36 PM - Edit history (1)

And there is nothing that guarantees former military. It could be a military weapon though.

Wifes husband

(532 posts)
10. Center mass
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:32 PM
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If someone was aiming for center mass, they missed by a foot. No one would aim for a neck shot.
There are a million people who could make that shot and not miss

Ponietz

(4,007 posts)
12. You don't know that
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:35 PM
Wednesday

And, maybe the shot was intended for center mass and high, or else a head shot that was low.

I agree, probably ex-military, but the shot distance is no extraordinary feat.

joshcryer

(62,529 posts)
21. I personally think ex military, cop, or hunter.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:04 PM
Wednesday

I will refrain for other aspects of the profile I have in my head but I think it will not be favorable for us on the left and they should be resoundingly denounced.

They could have learned how to do this on the range but this was a very very angry person who had one singular target in mind. I just feel no one would bother without already prior experience. Too much work for a random.

Response to Blues Heron (Reply #2)

drray23

(8,407 posts)
8. I can hit a steel target easily at this distance. However taking a neck shot
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:30 PM
Wednesday

at this distance when you dont have a perfect angle and you only have one chance is another level. Most sunday shooters at the range would not be able to do that under pressure.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,424 posts)
11. Why assume they were aiming for the neck?
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:32 PM
Wednesday

They very easily could have been aiming for the head or chest and lucked out.

drray23

(8,407 posts)
14. I suppose they could have gotten lucky.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:37 PM
Wednesday

But given that they also made a clean escape, its clear its not some random joe. At the very least they carefully prepared for it.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,424 posts)
9. 520 feet is nothing for a rifle
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:31 PM
Wednesday

Anyone with moderate practice could hit that with irons, even easier with an optic.

D_Master81

(2,183 posts)
13. 520 ft isn't much now days
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:37 PM
Wednesday

I have very little gun training but when I was at a friend’s house shooting with him I hit 10/10 at 100 yards with his AR and scope. Obviously the person isn’t just a hack but I doubt someone needs military training to make that shot.

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