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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTweet thread on the far right's hatred of Charlie Kirk
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I'm not in any way speculating. But I'm actually shocked how few people know that Charlie Kirk has for years been among the most reviled people on the planet by white supremacists, many of whom were radicalized by sustained campaigns painting him as an anti-white fraud.
Again: I'm not speculating about the shooter. I just have been stunned how quickly people have jumped with certainty to partisan conclusions. Because in extremism spaces, the Charlie Kirk Hater to Nazi pipeline is canon. It's how we got a generation of antisemitic extremists.
Nick Fuentes literally built his movement attacking Kirk from the right. They turned him into a caricature of all that they detested: Faux-populism, Zionism + anti-white policy, astroturfed by billionaires and establishment elites who would sell out their race for political power
And Kirk hatred was also crucial to their growth: At TPUSA events theyd grill him on Israel, immigration etc, never going mask-off but subtly injecting their invective into more mainstream GOP conversations. And this would inevitably peel off a few sympathizers in attendance.
The "Groyper War," as they call it, is literally how Nick Fuentes became Nick Fuentes. It's how a generation of angry young men took their first step into the fascist rabbithole. For many, it was as simple as starting to question why Charlie Kirk wouldn't say XYZ about ABC.
Again: I'm not speculating on the shooter. We'll know soon enough. I just think this is crucial history; if it doesnt help us understand the events of today, it certainly will help us understand things 2 and 5 and 10 years from now.
One clarification: In my first tweet, I meant to say HAD not HAS been reviled for years. Over the last few years, Kirk steadily moved further and further right, and was openly talking about Great Replacement Theory, Christian nationalism and other once-fringier things.

SheltieLover
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Initech
(106,355 posts)Shit's going to get really ugly really quickly.
SheltieLover
(73,743 posts)Stay safe, all!
Rec
ImNotGod
(1,121 posts)tulipsandroses
(7,940 posts)MAGA is at war with itself right now. Maybe it is someone on the left, but the MAGA vs MAGA war is real.
Deuxcents
(24,083 posts)markodochartaigh
(4,075 posts)on emotional responses to things which are not true, and a view of the way that the world works based in propaganda, it's almost inevitable that you will be pushed to compete with others to become ever more extreme.
mwmisses4289
(2,259 posts)wasn't right wing enough for some on the right? Holy moly!
herding cats
(19,841 posts)I'm anything but a proponent of violence, but the dark little corner of my heart which I pretend doesn't exist wouldn't be heartbroken in the least if the MAGA started being afraid of our loony tunes fringe and looking over their shoulders like we've done for so very long now.
I'm not endorsing any of this, but it's hard not to feel hate should come with a price tag. I mean, basically isn't that the premise of Christianity and several other religions? If you do evil then evil will come back to you. It's something human nature wants to believe at our core level, even when we know karma and divine intervention isn't real.
eppur_se_muova
(40,053 posts)... but thought I was just being paranoid.
womanofthehills
(10,391 posts)I dont watch her - saw clips on X talking about Republican hate mail because he hosted a debate in June between Josh Hammer (very pro Israel) and Jewish Libertarian podcaster/comedian Dave Smith who is very against genocide in Gaza.
Polls showed Dave won the debate (at Turning Points in July) - some young Republicans were so angry they walked out but more stayed and clapped for Dave. Kirk said he got lots of Republican hate mail for having Dave Smith on. Curious about what Smith says about this on his next podcast.
I think its a Republican who killed him because he was getting hate mail from Republicans.
NJCher
(41,465 posts)That was my first thought when I heard the news.
However, I now think they will not find this sharpshooter errrr, killer.
proud patriot
(102,259 posts)I would think that may have pissed off some on the right
Cha
(314,441 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20624932
That certainly Pissed off the Traitor and all those on the Epstein list.

proud patriot
(102,259 posts)NJCher
(41,465 posts)to let the Epstein thing go. Charlie said he would. Then the RW became angry with Charlie for doing so.
Charlie started reconsidering his position of two days, and had Lara Trump on his youtube channel/podcast. Lara Trump said trump had told her they would do more to facilitate the release of the Epstein files. It was totally unconvincing and very lame. How he even accepted what she said is beyond me.
I found the link to the Lara Trump stuff off the Axios stories on this topic There were two stories.
proud patriot
(102,259 posts)
rubbersole
(10,561 posts)Cha
(314,441 posts)Accounts god.
C Moon
(13,180 posts)Maybe they'll find some video soon of him/her coming and going.
(sorry, I know my comment was off-topic).
Initech
(106,355 posts)Stochastic terrorism becomes real terrorism!
BidenRocks
(2,228 posts)Still hated him and his message though.
NJCher
(41,465 posts)but knew nothing other than that.
littlemissmartypants
(29,840 posts)Interesting post. Thanks, LonePirate. ❤️
Irish_Dem
(75,060 posts)Raven123
(7,039 posts)None of it makes sense to me. What little I know about Kirk sounds pretty darned far right.
pecosbob
(8,103 posts)Reminds me more than a little of the Alan Berg murder in Colorado in 1984.