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LonePirate

(14,233 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:36 PM Sep 10

Tweet thread on the far right's hatred of Charlie Kirk




Robert Downen @RobertDownen_

I'm not in any way speculating. But I'm actually shocked how few people know that Charlie Kirk has for years been among the most reviled people on the planet by white supremacists, many of whom were radicalized by sustained campaigns painting him as an anti-white fraud.

Again: I'm not speculating about the shooter. I just have been stunned how quickly people have jumped with certainty to partisan conclusions. Because in extremism spaces, the Charlie Kirk Hater to Nazi pipeline is canon. It's how we got a generation of antisemitic extremists.

Nick Fuentes literally built his movement attacking Kirk from the right. They turned him into a caricature of all that they detested: Faux-populism, Zionism + anti-white policy, astroturfed by billionaires and establishment elites who would sell out their race for political power

And Kirk hatred was also crucial to their growth: At TPUSA events theyd grill him on Israel, immigration etc, never going mask-off but subtly injecting their invective into more mainstream GOP conversations. And this would inevitably peel off a few sympathizers in attendance.

The "Groyper War," as they call it, is literally how Nick Fuentes became Nick Fuentes. It's how a generation of angry young men took their first step into the fascist rabbithole. For many, it was as simple as starting to question why Charlie Kirk wouldn't say XYZ about ABC.

Again: I'm not speculating on the shooter. We'll know soon enough. I just think this is crucial history; if it doesnt help us understand the events of today, it certainly will help us understand things 2 and 5 and 10 years from now.

One clarification: In my first tweet, I meant to say HAD not HAS been reviled for years. Over the last few years, Kirk steadily moved further and further right, and was openly talking about Great Replacement Theory, Christian nationalism and other once-fringier things.
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Tweet thread on the far right's hatred of Charlie Kirk (Original Post) LonePirate Sep 10 OP
That speaks volumes SheltieLover Sep 10 #1
This is seriously going to unfold like a mob or gang war. Initech Sep 12 #23
Sadly, I fear you are correct. SheltieLover Sep 12 #24
This malaise Sep 12 #25
Like mob families fighting it out, it doesn't matter, they are still mobsters. nt ImNotGod Sep 10 #2
Yeah I posted this Nick Fuentes video not too long ago. He's literally threatening Kirk and others tulipsandroses Sep 10 #3
It's my understanding there are a lot of far right groups in Utah and lots of places for refuge Deuxcents Sep 10 #4
When you base your ideology on beliefs not rooted in fact, markodochartaigh Sep 10 #5
Wait...is this implying that Charlie Kirk mwmisses4289 Sep 10 #6
I'm almost going to be sad if this ends up being one of theirs. herding cats Sep 10 #7
I had considered a post asking "will anyone be surprised if the shooter turns out to be a far-right rival ?" eppur_se_muova Sep 10 #8
He was on Megan Kelly's show - womanofthehills Sep 11 #11
are you kidding me? NJCher Sep 11 #16
did Charlie Excuse the Epstein cover up? proud patriot Sep 10 #9
No, just the opposite.. Cha Sep 11 #12
Interesting proud patriot Sep 11 #21
trump had asked MAGAts NJCher Sep 11 #19
thanks for the info proud patriot Sep 11 #22
Did the Karma Fairy visit Utah today? rubbersole Sep 11 #10
Maybe and the Reaping What you Sow Cha Sep 11 #14
I don't know about "we'll know soon enough." If it was a professional hit, we'll never know. nt C Moon Sep 11 #13
That would be the plot twist of the century if it were a mob family hit! Initech Sep 11 #18
I just ignored him. BidenRocks Sep 11 #15
Heard his name NJCher Sep 11 #20
Now here's an apt description "injecting their invective" that truly paints a picture. littlemissmartypants Sep 11 #17
Sounds like a mob war. Irish_Dem Sep 12 #26
So these MAGAs are tripping over each other to get the RWN crown? Raven123 Sep 12 #27
The Great MAGA Podcaster Purity War of 2025 pecosbob Sep 12 #28

Initech

(106,355 posts)
23. This is seriously going to unfold like a mob or gang war.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 06:40 PM
Sep 12

Shit's going to get really ugly really quickly.

tulipsandroses

(7,940 posts)
3. Yeah I posted this Nick Fuentes video not too long ago. He's literally threatening Kirk and others
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:57 PM
Sep 10
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220573453

MAGA is at war with itself right now. Maybe it is someone on the left, but the MAGA vs MAGA war is real.

Deuxcents

(24,083 posts)
4. It's my understanding there are a lot of far right groups in Utah and lots of places for refuge
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:01 PM
Sep 10

markodochartaigh

(4,075 posts)
5. When you base your ideology on beliefs not rooted in fact,
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:01 PM
Sep 10

on emotional responses to things which are not true, and a view of the way that the world works based in propaganda, it's almost inevitable that you will be pushed to compete with others to become ever more extreme.

mwmisses4289

(2,259 posts)
6. Wait...is this implying that Charlie Kirk
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:04 PM
Sep 10

wasn't right wing enough for some on the right? Holy moly!

herding cats

(19,841 posts)
7. I'm almost going to be sad if this ends up being one of theirs.
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 10:10 PM
Sep 10

I'm anything but a proponent of violence, but the dark little corner of my heart which I pretend doesn't exist wouldn't be heartbroken in the least if the MAGA started being afraid of our loony tunes fringe and looking over their shoulders like we've done for so very long now.

I'm not endorsing any of this, but it's hard not to feel hate should come with a price tag. I mean, basically isn't that the premise of Christianity and several other religions? If you do evil then evil will come back to you. It's something human nature wants to believe at our core level, even when we know karma and divine intervention isn't real.

eppur_se_muova

(40,053 posts)
8. I had considered a post asking "will anyone be surprised if the shooter turns out to be a far-right rival ?"
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:13 PM
Sep 10

... but thought I was just being paranoid.

womanofthehills

(10,391 posts)
11. He was on Megan Kelly's show -
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:10 AM
Sep 11

I don’t watch her - saw clips on X talking about Republican hate mail because he hosted a debate in June between Josh Hammer (very pro Israel) and Jewish Libertarian podcaster/comedian Dave Smith who is very against genocide in Gaza.
Polls showed Dave won the debate (at Turning Points in July) - some young Republicans were so angry they walked out but more stayed and clapped for Dave. Kirk said he got lots of Republican hate mail for having Dave Smith on. Curious about what Smith says about this on his next podcast.

I think it’s a Republican who killed him because he was getting hate mail from Republicans.

NJCher

(41,465 posts)
16. are you kidding me?
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:35 AM
Sep 11

That was my first thought when I heard the news.

However, I now think they will not find this sharpshooter errrr, killer.

proud patriot

(102,259 posts)
9. did Charlie Excuse the Epstein cover up?
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:57 PM
Sep 10

I would think that may have pissed off some on the right

Cha

(314,441 posts)
12. No, just the opposite..
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:22 AM
Sep 11
Charlie Kirk talks Epstein, urges Trump administration to act

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20624932

That certainly Pissed off the Traitor and all those on the Epstein list.

NJCher

(41,465 posts)
19. trump had asked MAGAts
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:52 AM
Sep 11

to let the Epstein thing go. Charlie said he would. Then the RW became angry with Charlie for doing so.

Charlie started reconsidering his position of two days, and had Lara Trump on his youtube channel/podcast. Lara Trump said trump had told her they would do more to facilitate the release of the Epstein files. It was totally unconvincing and very lame. How he even accepted what she said is beyond me.

I found the link to the Lara Trump stuff off the Axios stories on this topic There were two stories.

C Moon

(13,180 posts)
13. I don't know about "we'll know soon enough." If it was a professional hit, we'll never know. nt
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:23 AM
Sep 11

Maybe they'll find some video soon of him/her coming and going.
(sorry, I know my comment was off-topic).

Initech

(106,355 posts)
18. That would be the plot twist of the century if it were a mob family hit!
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:51 AM
Sep 11

Stochastic terrorism becomes real terrorism!

littlemissmartypants

(29,840 posts)
17. Now here's an apt description "injecting their invective" that truly paints a picture.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:42 AM
Sep 11

Interesting post. Thanks, LonePirate. ❤️

Raven123

(7,039 posts)
27. So these MAGAs are tripping over each other to get the RWN crown?
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:35 PM
Sep 12

None of it makes sense to me. What little I know about Kirk sounds pretty darned far right.

pecosbob

(8,103 posts)
28. The Great MAGA Podcaster Purity War of 2025
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:55 PM
Sep 12

Reminds me more than a little of the Alan Berg murder in Colorado in 1984.

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