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Matthew Dowd fired from MSNBC For saying what we all know (Original Post) SamuelTheThird Wednesday OP
I'm still waiting for Fox to fire someone for their outright bigotry and hate tulipsandroses Wednesday #1
Jesse Watters absolutely should be. Initech Yesterday #13
Dowd was a big time Bush guy. Yeah I hold grudges sometimes. nt BootinUp Wednesday #2
Yeah, but now he told the truth about Cha Yesterday #7
We don't really know what the motive was. nt BootinUp Yesterday #11
Truth is UTUSN Wednesday #3
This message was self-deleted by its author UTUSN Wednesday #4
Oh Shit I hoped that wasn't coming! Cha Wednesday #5
What he said is exactly correct - walkingman Yesterday #6
Dowd tried to sound eloquent House of Roberts Yesterday #10
So his statement would have been acceptable if someone else was shot? Raven123 Yesterday #26
timing is everything in MAGA State media Nimble_Idea Yesterday #30
That is really odd because... WVGIRL Yesterday #8
as well he should have blamed Kirk fafo, karma, what goes around, reap what you sow.... gopiscrap Yesterday #16
Ok what did you expect Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #9
The corporate media will be useless and worthless in our new fascist environment. JBTaurus83 Yesterday #12
i disagree. this corporate media got exactly the environment they wanted. Nimble_Idea Yesterday #31
'Optics' are everything in modern journalism. Oeditpus Rex Yesterday #14
That does pretty much boil down to "he got himself shot with his rhetoric" AZJonnie Yesterday #15
Exactly. Dowd could have waited until days or weeks later to say it. valleyrogue Yesterday #37
What did he say? live love laugh Yesterday #17
here ya go orleans Yesterday #18
see post 6 proud patriot Yesterday #19
This is how you know you live in a fascist shithole. Karasu Yesterday #20
He said nothing wrong BidenRocks Yesterday #21
Fired for speaking the truth. He didn't condone the actions, he explained them Joinfortmill Yesterday #22
It's the "use/mention distinction". Fundamental logical concept. Point lost on network execs who are too busy ... eppur_se_muova Yesterday #34
Fuck MSNBC vercetti2021 Yesterday #23
Hi V! SheltieLover Yesterday #27
Oh just lingering a bit vercetti2021 Yesterday #28
Well it's nice to see you out & about SheltieLover Yesterday #29
Archive link, registration free littlemissmartypants Yesterday #24
Another reporter fired for speaking the truth pfitz59 Yesterday #25
We have lost our minds as a society Takket Yesterday #32
Geeze MSNBC...firing somebody for telling the truth? Liberal In Texas Yesterday #33
Rightly sue the fuckers. You too can use the law! miyazaki Yesterday #35
He could have simply kept his mouth shut, and he still would have had a job. valleyrogue Yesterday #36
Matthew Dowd was just fired from MSNBC for saying this LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #38

tulipsandroses

(7,904 posts)
1. I'm still waiting for Fox to fire someone for their outright bigotry and hate
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 11:53 PM
Wednesday

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Initech

(106,241 posts)
13. Jesse Watters absolutely should be.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:22 AM
Yesterday

Dude has been cranking up the paranoia to 11 today.

Cha

(314,204 posts)
7. Yeah, but now he told the truth about
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:05 AM
Yesterday

CK. And Fired because of it.. by the Fascist enabling media head.

I have forever well earned Grudges, too.. Those I consider Responsible for Getting the Traitor in our WH in the 1st place.

Response to SamuelTheThird (Original post)

walkingman

(9,796 posts)
6. What he said is exactly correct -
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:00 AM
Yesterday
During MSNBC’s coverage of Kirk’s shooting, anchor Katy Tur asked Dowd about “the environment in which a shooting like this happens.” Dowd responded with the following about Kirk: “He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”


We are in the "Cracker Barrel" era of journalism in America.

House of Roberts

(6,225 posts)
10. Dowd tried to sound eloquent
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:07 AM
Yesterday

but ultimately, it still boiled down to victim blaming, and that's what got him fired.

Raven123

(7,012 posts)
26. So his statement would have been acceptable if someone else was shot?
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 05:07 AM
Yesterday

If the quote is accurate, what I am understanding from it is violent thoughts and words provoke violent actions. One may disagree with that statement, but hardly a reason to fire him. Maybe I missed something.

Nimble_Idea

(2,811 posts)
30. timing is everything in MAGA State media
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 05:32 AM
Yesterday

who cares who they fired though, no one watches the MSM anymore. If you wanted real news, people streamed it live without any censorship.

and it wasn't the corporate news that people tuned in for real coverage. no censorship, just the raw video.

Dowd would be better off working for new Media. OLD MEDIA is just like print newspapers, irrelevant.

WVGIRL

(41 posts)
8. That is really odd because...
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:06 AM
Yesterday

….maybe it was concurrent to Matt Dowd’s appearance but trump made a statement blaming Kirk’s assassination on “the radical left”. i do see now that dowd seemed to be blaming the victim for his own death though.

gopiscrap

(24,456 posts)
16. as well he should have blamed Kirk fafo, karma, what goes around, reap what you sow....
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 01:04 AM
Yesterday

Keepthesoulalive

(1,761 posts)
9. Ok what did you expect
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:06 AM
Yesterday

Journalism from cowardly management. It is a business and you don’t want lord trump coming after you.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,685 posts)
14. 'Optics' are everything in modern journalism.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:35 AM
Yesterday

Truth isn't as important. He could've said the same thing with different words, but ge chose the ones that made the truth unmistakeable -- in an opinion, no less. He left no wiggle room, no space for "My words were misinterpreted," and that's a capital offense in tee vee news, unless you're Rachel Maddow or someone else worth billions to the network. Everyone else needs peermission to tell such brutal truth.

AZJonnie

(1,397 posts)
15. That does pretty much boil down to "he got himself shot with his rhetoric"
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:47 AM
Yesterday

Can't fault M$NBC too much on this one, esp. mere hours after an event like this, and ESPECIALLY not when probably a sizeable % of the country saw how grisly it was in the videos that rapidly circulated. You might be able to more tactfully say something like this in a week, but this was def. in the 'too soon' window.

valleyrogue

(2,296 posts)
37. Exactly. Dowd could have waited until days or weeks later to say it.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:06 AM
Yesterday

Matthew Dowd lacks sense and brains just like people like Charlie Kirk.

orleans

(36,404 posts)
18. here ya go
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 01:59 AM
Yesterday

During MSNBC’s coverage of Kirk’s shooting, anchor Katy Tur asked Dowd about “the environment in which a shooting like this happens.” Dowd responded with the following about Kirk: “He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”

The remarks sparked outrage across social media, and MSNBC president Rebecca Kutler issued an apology in response. She slammed Dowd’s comments as “inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable.”

“We apologize for his statements, as has he,” Kutler said in a statement shared to the MSNBC Public Relations X account. “There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise.”
Dowd issued his own apology for his commentary on his BlueSky account. He wrote, “I apologize for my tone and words. Let me be clear, I in no way intended for my comments to blame Kirk for this horrendous attack. Let us all come together and condemn violence of any kind.”

a bit more
no paywall: https://archive.is/Xl7FH



BidenRocks

(2,166 posts)
21. He said nothing wrong
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:22 AM
Yesterday

MSNBC is gun shy about lawsuits and are overly thin skinned.

They also are looking to downsize and will use any excuse.

I don't watch much since November.

Joinfortmill

(18,885 posts)
22. Fired for speaking the truth. He didn't condone the actions, he explained them
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:24 AM
Yesterday

The truth matters.

eppur_se_muova

(39,919 posts)
34. It's the "use/mention distinction". Fundamental logical concept. Point lost on network execs who are too busy ...
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 08:48 AM
Yesterday

... shaking in their boots over possible lawsuits. Especially from DOTPL*.





*that's Dept. of Turnip's Personal Lawyers.

vercetti2021

(10,461 posts)
23. Fuck MSNBC
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:28 AM
Yesterday

And any fucking media that is whitewashing this POS hateful platform. Rest in piss, Kirk.

vercetti2021

(10,461 posts)
28. Oh just lingering a bit
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 05:14 AM
Yesterday

Nothing new, just wanted to pop in today to see how people were reacting to the news

Takket

(23,206 posts)
32. We have lost our minds as a society
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:13 AM
Yesterday

Dowd merely put out there that Kirk’s words could very likely have inspired someone to enough anger to kill him. Not at all an unreasonable explanation for what happened. Are we just going to ignore the reality of what Kirk was and invent a narrative that he was a beloved and benevolent figure?

Will we create murals of him with a halo over his head walking with children and lepers?

Liberal In Texas

(15,596 posts)
33. Geeze MSNBC...firing somebody for telling the truth?
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 06:56 AM
Yesterday

Too bad it wasn't "sensitive!"
Kirk was a monster. He was part of the fascist movement.

I fear MSNBC is starting to slide into the morass of the right.

valleyrogue

(2,296 posts)
36. He could have simply kept his mouth shut, and he still would have had a job.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:03 AM
Yesterday

Matthew Dowd lacks any kind of sense. Not the time and the place to say in effect Kirk deserved what he got.

Dowd basically deserved what HE got because he lacked sense.

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