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indusurb

(249 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:00 AM Friday

I come not to praise Charlie Kirk, but to bury him.

Charlie Kirk was, in no uncertain terms, a monster. His hate for a whole litany of people and causes, and the fact that he used his p,atform to spread that hatred, warping the minds of an entire generation of young men means that his death invokes no feelings of sorrow or compassion in me. He was a pestilence on our society, and with his support of Trump and other right wing politicians, he is indirectly responsible, in part, for the thousands of deaths worldwide that the Trump administration has caused, and the millions more that will happen.

Kirk was nothing more than a hate merchant, a man whose sole purpose was to inspire hatred for those who weren't straight, white, Christian males. The fact that he has so quickly become a martyr for the right wing, that he is being virtually beatified by the right wing in this country just goes to show how far from humanity these people have slipped.

I find it deliciously ironic that a man who said after a school shooting that losing a few lives due to gun violence is the price to pay for an unfettered Second Amendment died by that same gun violence. It is appropriate. And while political violence is never the path for us to go down, I cannot help but feel that ultimately we will be a better place without Charlie Kirk in our lives. My only real concern regarding all of this is the backlash that we will all face because of this. Kirk is being made into a martyr, a bloody shirt to wave before the masses. His legacy of hatred is being whitewashed, and those who dare not to go along are getting canceled. This could all turn into something much darker, the calls for generalized retaliatory violence are loud and growing louder. This could be an inflection point where the rabid right wing goes from mere words to actual deeds.

So let us bury Charlie Kirk, and hopefully the hatred that he inspired. Feel no guilt for truly remembering the deeds and legacy of the man. Sadly, that legacy will be tougher to get rid of.

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I come not to praise Charlie Kirk, but to bury him. (Original Post) indusurb Friday OP
the eulogy markie Friday #1
Yon J.D. there, hath a lean and hungry look. yellowcanine Friday #2
Shakespeare lives! stillrockin67 Friday #4
I've seen it suggested he's worth more mnhtnbb Friday #3
This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Friday #5
"This could all turn into something much darker, the calls for generalized retaliatory violence are loud..." OldBaldy1701E Friday #6
Your suggestions then? indusurb Friday #7
As I stated before. OldBaldy1701E Friday #13
The shooter is lucky the FBI's professional abilities Farmer-Rick Friday #8
They probably don't want to find him. He serves them better as some phantom they can project onto. Crunchy Frog Friday #10
Sadly, his "martyrdom", beatification and the scapegoating of "the left" is going to have a tremendously negative impact Crunchy Frog Friday #9
Very well said EnergizedLib Friday #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Playingmantis Friday #12
Here you go indusurb Friday #14
Not just young men.... SergeStorms Friday #15
Agreed aka-chmeee Friday #16
If only he had BOSSHOG Friday #17
Not a guilty feeling at all Abstractartist Friday #18

mnhtnbb

(32,818 posts)
3. I've seen it suggested he's worth more
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:37 AM
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to his causes dead than alive. Shuts him up about Epstein, and gives the right wing a martyr.

Response to indusurb (Original post)

OldBaldy1701E

(8,991 posts)
6. "This could all turn into something much darker, the calls for generalized retaliatory violence are loud..."
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:55 AM
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So, let's just sit around and talk about it some more.

indusurb

(249 posts)
7. Your suggestions then?
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:14 AM
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I figured that it would be wise to inform people. What may seem obvious to you and me isn't to others. Suffering in silence isn't a good thing. So what's your suggestion?

OldBaldy1701E

(8,991 posts)
13. As I stated before.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:06 AM
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There is no way we can win anything without the numbers. There is no way things are going to change without the numbers.

We can protest by the hundreds all over the country and it will not change a thing.

HOWEVER...

Five million of us standing outside the White House will. But, of course, we were not willing to actually do that because the programming worked. We are still to convinced that the world will end if we don't go to our jobs. If we don't pay out taxes. If we don't continue to support those who are slowly killing us for their own wealth and pleasure.

My favorite part of this is that we believe that we cannot gather and plan for this. We cannot form small groups that will agree not to keep on supporting this society since this society will not even listen to us. We can't do anything but be good little wage slaves and die early so that we don't impact their big, beautiful bottom line. The programming worked very well.

We have to stop letting them control the narrative. Because, they are and we are letting them. I am not just talking about social media. I am talking about it all. The completely biased coverage of this event as opposed to the recent ones involving those that the establishment considered 'the enemy' should tell one enough. The fact that our side has not taken steps to challenge this is enough. (If the corporate media is sold out, then start another media. One that will not 'sell out'. One that will not bow to capitalism and the greed in our society. Yes, this sounds pretty impossible these days, but it can be done.)

Stop supporting them. Turn to each other for support. We can hold out long enough, because those wealthy animals cannot survive without us. That is the biggest insult to our collective intelligence... that they convinced us that this is not true.

So, stop giving in to them. Get with your neighbors and friends. Those that have the property and means, start growing food for the group. Those that can, go help them. Those with skills, use them to support your local community, not the rich assholes who think they own you. Start working on the means to survive a complete shutdown. We are more able to survive such a thing. The idea that it might happen may well get enough of them out of their echo chambers to try to make things work better. (I doubt it, but I am cynical by nature.)

Because they will shut it all down just to punish us for daring to think that we were on the same level as they are. We need to be ready for that. We also need to be ready for their attempts to force us to do their bidding. We need to understand that this is not a 'political disagreement' any longer. We need to stop playing their games.

Once we have some kind of setup where we can try to survive, stop the entire thing. As I said, they will fold long before we will, at least until they decide to kill us all for daring to question them. We need to be prepared for that as well.

Such a thing is not going to be set up with that imaginary superhero 'Montage'. Hollywood has removed a lot of understanding about how long things take. We will have to do the work. We will have to make this happen. NO one is flying in to rescue us.

Either we do it regardless of how dirty it may get, or we accept that we are done and shut the hell up. Because any attempt to not correct the travesties of life that got us here is just kicking the can down the road. We have done that enough. We can fix a lot of this is we stop worrying about what they think is important and start worrying about what WE think is important. This is where we are now.

Which do you want to do?

Farmer-Rick

(12,065 posts)
8. The shooter is lucky the FBI's professional abilities
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:31 AM
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Have been seriously compromised by the idiots who have been put in charge. A bunch of right wing podcasters and Fox commenters are just not right for the job of hunting down criminals. They are busy trying to spin the media instead of hunting for the shooter.

All the false statements they are putting out and desperately trying to make it look like a Democratic supporter did it. They are ignoring the job and just spinning.

I fear it is already too late. The FBI has made so many mistakes already that I doubt they will ever find the shooter.

Crunchy Frog

(27,915 posts)
10. They probably don't want to find him. He serves them better as some phantom they can project onto.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:40 AM
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Crunchy Frog

(27,915 posts)
9. Sadly, his "martyrdom", beatification and the scapegoating of "the left" is going to have a tremendously negative impact
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:38 AM
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on society, and could usher in a period of unspeakable violence.

I care nothing at all about his death, but I do care how it's being manipulated by dark forces.

Response to indusurb (Original post)

SergeStorms

(19,740 posts)
15. Not just young men....
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:17 AM
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I was alarmed to see how many young women were in the crowd at Kirk's final hatefest. In fact, it appeared the majority were young women. Then I realized where the event was being held and it made sense. Utah.

aka-chmeee

(1,215 posts)
16. Agreed
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:21 AM
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His means of death notwithstanding, I adhere to a sentiment I hear occasionally that "If he was an SOB when he was alive, He's just a dead SOB now".
And as an unintended???? bonus!, What a GREAT distraction and Reichstag fire like motivator!

Abstractartist

(330 posts)
18. Not a guilty feeling at all
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:40 AM
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I am not going to say the obvious statement just about everyone says….”I don’t condone any type of violence against anyone”….ok great, thanks for that thought…. One thing I want to hear is…BUT…. So I will say it. (But) anyone spewing words and statements to provoke violence toward others does not deserve to be mourned when it happens to them. This administration backs it, their sociopathic, narcissistic leader lives it, their cheap, fake Christian spokesperson repeats it, and their fake patriotic voters vote for it, so I will mourn the innocent people caught in the middle of it, the children murdered by it, the immigrants tortured by it, the country abused by it. I will not overly rejoice when the many involved turns to ashes and dust, but I will retain the memories and tell my grandchildren how we as a nation allowed this to happen. I am hopeful, as a nation, we say “never again”.

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