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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMelissa Hortman and John Hoffman were both shot
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on the same night. Both were Minnesota Democrats and elected officials who were targeted for political assassination. Hortman was killed. Compare the coverage her murder got to the coverage Charlie Kirks murder is getting. Then try to explain how the corporate corporate media is not completely biased to the right.

malaise
(288,846 posts)The political elite on both sides - even Bush crawled out of his hole
barbtries
(30,749 posts)Democrats should shut up already. it is not a foregone conclusion - until they've arrested the perpetrator and figured out just why he did it - that it was committed by someone on the left, or that it was even political.
maybe it was a personal vendetta. maybe the guy was infatuated with him. maybe he cheated on his wife with someone else's wife. maybe stephen miller felt threatened by him.
this is propaganda. we're drowning, drowning in it. i do not recognize my country.
malaise
(288,846 posts)in their attempt to be politically correct. Sickening indeed.
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Torchlight
(5,606 posts)HariSeldon
(527 posts)I think Democrats need to say: "Are you out of your mind?! We've been backing common-sense measures that might have kept this from happening!"
barbtries
(30,749 posts)but if they won't do that ... then shut the fuck up at least.
Cosmocat
(15,272 posts)but how I took his statement was that more than anything he was trying to reign in the lunacy from the right - not that he has any sway with the current mutation.
lastlib
(26,670 posts)considering some of his own rhetoric and dick Cheney's-- 2001 to 2008 they were practically rabid.
(P.S. "rein", not "reign"---"reign" is what he wanted to do when he was "the decider."
barbtries
(30,749 posts)the thing with kirk is a gigantic propaganda campaign. the truth will always be the enemy in this context.
malaise
(288,846 posts)Why not - these ReTHUG scumbags still cheer on the Jan6 failed coup
Ilsa
(63,266 posts)Maybe what you heard is Russian or Chinese disinformation intended to cause trouble.
snowybirdie
(6,326 posts)Proposed a bill to have him lie in state in the Capital. Probably not going anywhere.
Hope22
(4,154 posts)Vance and T steal piece after piece of our government and traditions. It this is true we have already lost the battle. I hope you are wrong about this. MTG wants a statue of the guy put in the Capitol building. What simple madness. We may as well take women, gays, trans and minorities out, line them up and do away with them. It certainly would save on the slow, fear filled future of nothing but threats, madness and degradation!
barbtries
(30,749 posts)Democrats, liberals, women, all fodder for the beast. or whatever that expression is
barbtries
(30,749 posts)lying in state?! at the Capitol?!
i laughed. i really laughed. if I didn't I think I would have to cry.
muriel_volestrangler
(104,632 posts)The two deaths were Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hoffman_%28Minnesota_politician%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Hortman
SocialDemocrat61
(5,599 posts)Corrected the op.
JI7
(92,573 posts)and injuring her husband. Some misogynist piece of shit with anti feminist agenda.
Michigan governor was also a target by a bunch of right wingers.
But the Minnesota attack you mention especially should have got more coverage.
instead it was reported like a local gun robbery .
Takket
(23,206 posts)By this point (3 days later) the media news cycle had already completely moved on from the Minnesota assassinations. And there were no calls for national mourning of any kind.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,438 posts)Nothing like as damning of the RW/MAGA agenda & their calls for violence against their political "enemies." No listing of all the other victims of RW/MAGA. No mention of the J6 criminals & their violent crimes, nor of the pResident pardoning them.
Dems & Democratic supporters need to get that message out *now* to counter the narrative being sold hard by the MAGAts & media that all Democrats are to blame & must pay for Kirk's killing.
MadameButterfly
(3,524 posts)I'm surprised MSNBC still exists (though with new name). The money is apparently worth it to them. Trump will do his best to change that. Hold on to your hats.
pazzyanne
(6,716 posts)EXACTLY!!!
some_of_us_are_sane
(1,904 posts)Sickening.

Johnny2X2X
(23,367 posts)People need to wake up, it's all owned by the right and even MSNBC has Right Wing influence on it now.
Stargazer99
(3,292 posts)Wiz Imp
(6,967 posts)That was a Borough Council Member in NJ. Eunice Dwumfour, a member of the borough council of Sayreville, New Jersey, was assassinated on February 1, 2023. The murderer was Rashid Ali Bynum, a resident of Portsmouth, Virginia, who was a former resident of Sayreville and had been a member of the Fire Congress Fellowship, a religious organization with offices near Sayreville that Dwumfour helped to lead. The murder seemed to revolve around the religious organization they were both members of.
During that same time frame, at least 5 sitting Democratic Government Officials have been assassinated.
Melissa Hortman, Member of the Minnesota House of Representatives in 2025
James E. Davis, New York City Councilman in 2003
J. Christopher Stevens, Ambassador to Libya in 2012
Clementa C. Pinckney, Member of the South Carolina Senate in 2015
Bill Gwatney, Chair of the Democratic Party of Arkansas, Former member of the Arkansas Senate in 2008
In the 1960's there were 5 major political assassinations. All those assassinated were on the left side of the political spectrum: John F. Kennedy, Malcom X., Martin Luther King, Jr., Robert F. Kennedy & Medger Evers.
Recent history as well longer term shows Democrats & the "Left" have been far more likely to be killed by political violence than Republicans.
democrank
(11,754 posts)This Kirk circus is way beyond a frog-into-prince kind of thing. Way, way beyond.
Johonny
(24,582 posts)Weren't. Kirk means rating from people that usually don't watch the news. Kirk was more like John Lennon being shot. He was a generational icon, loved or hated, by the TicToc generation. Those under 30 probably know who he is better than who Bill Clinton was.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,438 posts)More and more honest coverage of Melissa Hortman's assassination was also justified, but not provided. The coverage of that hers and the related deaths was tepid and nothing like as damning of the RW/MAGA agenda & their calls for violence against their political "enemies" as it should have been.
No widespread, passionate listing of all the other recent victims of RW/MAGA attacks. No harping on the J6 criminals & their violent crimes, nor of the pResident pardoning them.
Dems & Democratic supporters need to get that message out *now* to counter the narrative being sold hard by the MAGAts & media that all Democrats are to blame & must pay for Kirk's killing. With Mad King Donald's rule, we may suffer official government sanctioned or government-carried-out punishment.