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SocialDemocrat61

(5,599 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:37 AM 20 hrs ago

Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman were both shot

Last edited Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:21 AM - Edit history (1)

on the same night. Both were Minnesota Democrats and elected officials who were targeted for political assassination. Hortman was killed. Compare the coverage her murder got to the coverage Charlie Kirk’s murder is getting. Then try to explain how the corporate corporate media is not completely biased to the right.

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Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman were both shot (Original Post) SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago OP
Not just the corporate media malaise 20 hrs ago #1
drives me apeshit. barbtries 20 hrs ago #3
They're falling over themselves malaise 20 hrs ago #4
Post removed Post removed 20 hrs ago #6
Okay Torchlight 19 hrs ago #8
I disagree about "shutting up" HariSeldon 19 hrs ago #18
actually I agree with you. barbtries 14 hrs ago #30
It gives me no pleasure to try to "defend" W Cosmocat 19 hrs ago #17
Yeah, but it's kinda hollow coming from him..... lastlib 18 hrs ago #21
can't do it. barbtries 20 hrs ago #2
Heard he'll be lying in state in the Capitol malaise 20 hrs ago #5
I thought they just took him home to Phoenix. Ilsa 20 hrs ago #7
Nancy Mace, of course snowybirdie 17 hrs ago #29
That would be insanity. Hope22 19 hrs ago #10
they won't stop there. barbtries 19 hrs ago #16
he's a fucking nobody! barbtries 19 hrs ago #15
John Hoffman (and his wife Yvette) survived his attempted assassination muriel_volestrangler 19 hrs ago #9
Thanks SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #12
Judge Salas attack which ending up killing her son JI7 19 hrs ago #11
Absolutely Takket 19 hrs ago #13
At the time, the coverage was nothing like this. Dark n Stormy Knight 13 hrs ago #31
The corporate media is owned by conservatives MadameButterfly 19 hrs ago #14
"Compare the coverage "Melissa Hortman" murder got to the coverage Charlie Kirk's murder is getting." pazzyanne 19 hrs ago #19
SocialDemocrat61, this says some_of_us_are_sane 19 hrs ago #20
Right Wing billionaires own the media Johnny2X2X 18 hrs ago #22
Another reason why capitalism is evil and should never involved in control of people Stargazer99 17 hrs ago #23
Based on my research, I found only 1 sitting Republican Government official assassinated in the past 35+ years Wiz Imp 17 hrs ago #24
Fair and balanced coverage is a joke democrank 17 hrs ago #25
To be fair, Kirk was famous and the Hortmans Johonny 17 hrs ago #26
The amount of coverage may be justified by his fame, Dark n Stormy Knight 12 hrs ago #32
Obsequious behavior from the media is expected and normal in America. hay rick 17 hrs ago #27
It's sick. Kirk was a racist scumbag. BradBo 17 hrs ago #28

malaise

(288,846 posts)
1. Not just the corporate media
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:43 AM
20 hrs ago

The political elite on both sides - even Bush crawled out of his hole

barbtries

(30,749 posts)
3. drives me apeshit.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:49 AM
20 hrs ago

Democrats should shut up already. it is not a foregone conclusion - until they've arrested the perpetrator and figured out just why he did it - that it was committed by someone on the left, or that it was even political.

maybe it was a personal vendetta. maybe the guy was infatuated with him. maybe he cheated on his wife with someone else's wife. maybe stephen miller felt threatened by him.

this is propaganda. we're drowning, drowning in it. i do not recognize my country.

malaise

(288,846 posts)
4. They're falling over themselves
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:53 AM
20 hrs ago

in their attempt to be politically correct. Sickening indeed.

Response to malaise (Reply #4)

HariSeldon

(527 posts)
18. I disagree about "shutting up"
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:43 AM
19 hrs ago

I think Democrats need to say: "Are you out of your mind?! We've been backing common-sense measures that might have kept this from happening!"

barbtries

(30,749 posts)
30. actually I agree with you.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 01:54 PM
14 hrs ago

but if they won't do that ... then shut the fuck up at least.

Cosmocat

(15,272 posts)
17. It gives me no pleasure to try to "defend" W
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:42 AM
19 hrs ago

but how I took his statement was that more than anything he was trying to reign in the lunacy from the right - not that he has any sway with the current mutation.

lastlib

(26,670 posts)
21. Yeah, but it's kinda hollow coming from him.....
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:57 AM
18 hrs ago

considering some of his own rhetoric and dick Cheney's-- 2001 to 2008 they were practically rabid.

(P.S. "rein", not "reign"---"reign" is what he wanted to do when he was "the decider.&quot

barbtries

(30,749 posts)
2. can't do it.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:43 AM
20 hrs ago

the thing with kirk is a gigantic propaganda campaign. the truth will always be the enemy in this context.

malaise

(288,846 posts)
5. Heard he'll be lying in state in the Capitol
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 07:56 AM
20 hrs ago

Why not - these ReTHUG scumbags still cheer on the Jan6 failed coup

Ilsa

(63,266 posts)
7. I thought they just took him home to Phoenix.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:05 AM
20 hrs ago

Maybe what you heard is Russian or Chinese disinformation intended to cause trouble.

snowybirdie

(6,326 posts)
29. Nancy Mace, of course
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:56 AM
17 hrs ago

Proposed a bill to have him lie in state in the Capital. Probably not going anywhere.

Hope22

(4,154 posts)
10. That would be insanity.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:13 AM
19 hrs ago

Vance and T steal piece after piece of our government and traditions. It this is true we have already lost the battle. I hope you are wrong about this. MTG wants a statue of the guy put in the Capitol building. What simple madness. We may as well take women, gays, trans and minorities out, line them up and do away with them. It certainly would save on the slow, fear filled future of nothing but threats, madness and degradation!

barbtries

(30,749 posts)
16. they won't stop there.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:41 AM
19 hrs ago

Democrats, liberals, women, all fodder for the beast. or whatever that expression is

barbtries

(30,749 posts)
15. he's a fucking nobody!
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:39 AM
19 hrs ago

lying in state?! at the Capitol?!

i laughed. i really laughed. if I didn't I think I would have to cry.

JI7

(92,573 posts)
11. Judge Salas attack which ending up killing her son
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:21 AM
19 hrs ago

and injuring her husband. Some misogynist piece of shit with anti feminist agenda.

Michigan governor was also a target by a bunch of right wingers.

But the Minnesota attack you mention especially should have got more coverage.

instead it was reported like a local gun robbery .

Takket

(23,206 posts)
13. Absolutely
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:24 AM
19 hrs ago

By this point (3 days later) the media news cycle had already completely moved on from the Minnesota assassinations. And there were no calls for national mourning of any kind.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,438 posts)
31. At the time, the coverage was nothing like this.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 02:53 PM
13 hrs ago

Nothing like as damning of the RW/MAGA agenda & their calls for violence against their political "enemies." No listing of all the other victims of RW/MAGA. No mention of the J6 criminals & their violent crimes, nor of the pResident pardoning them.

Dems & Democratic supporters need to get that message out *now* to counter the narrative being sold hard by the MAGAts & media that all Democrats are to blame & must pay for Kirk's killing.

MadameButterfly

(3,524 posts)
14. The corporate media is owned by conservatives
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:34 AM
19 hrs ago

I'm surprised MSNBC still exists (though with new name). The money is apparently worth it to them. Trump will do his best to change that. Hold on to your hats.

pazzyanne

(6,716 posts)
19. "Compare the coverage "Melissa Hortman" murder got to the coverage Charlie Kirk's murder is getting."
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:48 AM
19 hrs ago

EXACTLY!!!

some_of_us_are_sane

(1,904 posts)
20. SocialDemocrat61, this says
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:49 AM
19 hrs ago
ALL we need to know about the total usurping of UNBIASED media who now bow ONLY to the Right and to carefully EDITED news.

Sickening.

Johnny2X2X

(23,367 posts)
22. Right Wing billionaires own the media
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:59 AM
18 hrs ago

People need to wake up, it's all owned by the right and even MSNBC has Right Wing influence on it now.

Wiz Imp

(6,967 posts)
24. Based on my research, I found only 1 sitting Republican Government official assassinated in the past 35+ years
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:17 AM
17 hrs ago

That was a Borough Council Member in NJ. Eunice Dwumfour, a member of the borough council of Sayreville, New Jersey, was assassinated on February 1, 2023. The murderer was Rashid Ali Bynum, a resident of Portsmouth, Virginia, who was a former resident of Sayreville and had been a member of the Fire Congress Fellowship, a religious organization with offices near Sayreville that Dwumfour helped to lead. The murder seemed to revolve around the religious organization they were both members of.

During that same time frame, at least 5 sitting Democratic Government Officials have been assassinated.

Melissa Hortman, Member of the Minnesota House of Representatives in 2025
James E. Davis, New York City Councilman in 2003
J. Christopher Stevens, Ambassador to Libya in 2012
Clementa C. Pinckney, Member of the South Carolina Senate in 2015
Bill Gwatney, Chair of the Democratic Party of Arkansas, Former member of the Arkansas Senate in 2008

In the 1960's there were 5 major political assassinations. All those assassinated were on the left side of the political spectrum: John F. Kennedy, Malcom X., Martin Luther King, Jr., Robert F. Kennedy & Medger Evers.

Recent history as well longer term shows Democrats & the "Left" have been far more likely to be killed by political violence than Republicans.

democrank

(11,754 posts)
25. Fair and balanced coverage is a joke
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:18 AM
17 hrs ago

This Kirk circus is way beyond a frog-into-prince kind of thing. Way, way beyond.

Johonny

(24,582 posts)
26. To be fair, Kirk was famous and the Hortmans
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:21 AM
17 hrs ago

Weren't. Kirk means rating from people that usually don't watch the news. Kirk was more like John Lennon being shot. He was a generational icon, loved or hated, by the TicToc generation. Those under 30 probably know who he is better than who Bill Clinton was.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,438 posts)
32. The amount of coverage may be justified by his fame,
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 03:11 PM
12 hrs ago

More and more honest coverage of Melissa Hortman's assassination was also justified, but not provided. The coverage of that hers and the related deaths was tepid and nothing like as damning of the RW/MAGA agenda & their calls for violence against their political "enemies" as it should have been.

No widespread, passionate listing of all the other recent victims of RW/MAGA attacks. No harping on the J6 criminals & their violent crimes, nor of the pResident pardoning them.

Dems & Democratic supporters need to get that message out *now* to counter the narrative being sold hard by the MAGAts & media that all Democrats are to blame & must pay for Kirk's killing. With Mad King Donald's rule, we may suffer official government sanctioned or government-carried-out punishment.

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