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The senator told The Intercept the attack defied rules of engagement and came from a drone. A legal expert calls it murder
The attack on a boat in the Caribbean last Tuesday was carried out by a drone, according to a Republican senator. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., took aim at the Trump administration for glorifying the killing of people without trial, saying that the lethal strike was a breach of long-accepted rules of engagement. He also disclosed that it was a drone strike, a fact that the Pentagon and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth have refused to reveal. Paul first criticized the attack in a back-and-forth with Vice President JD Vance on social media. Vance responded to the suggestion that the strike was a war crime by writing on X, I dont give a shit what you call it. Paul responded on Saturday calling Vances comments about killing people without a trial despicable and thoughtless. Paul told The Intercept he didnt oppose the use of drones in war but objected to summarily killing people without due process.
During my time in the Senate, I have been the foremost critic of drones being used on civilians, especially Americans, said Paul, a member of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. The recent drone attack on a small speedboat over 2,000 miles from our shore without identification of the occupants or the content of the boat is in no way part of a declared war and defies our longstanding Coast Guard rules of engagement which include: warnings to halt, non-lethal force to capture, and ultimately lethal force in self-defense or in cases of resistance.
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Brian Finucane, a former State Department lawyer who is a specialist in counterterrorism issues and the laws of war, said that given the evidence that has emerged, the governments statements, and after discussions with other national security lawyers in the week since the strike, he has formed stronger conclusions about the legality of the attack.
Im much more inclined to think this was just flat-out murder. And Ive bent over backwards to be generous to the government in my interpretations, he told The Intercept. There are circumstances in which the U.S. can use lethal force but that is in the context of an armed conflict, against a lawful target an enemy combatant. The Trump administration has not even bothered to make that argument. They have not argued that the United States is in an armed conflict governed by the law of war. They have not argued, much less substantiated, that the target of this attack was a lawful target.
"Outside of armed conflict, we have a word for the premeditated killing of people. That word is murder.
https://theintercept.com/2025/09/10/trump-venezuela-boat-attack-drone/
Very good points made in this article.

ok_cpu
(2,203 posts)kacekwl
(8,562 posts)responsibilities away to fascists and a corrupt Supreme Court they will get away with murder. But they mourn for Kirk and Babbet.
Rand Paul is correct.
malaise
(288,871 posts)Steroids
Duppers
(28,420 posts)Trump and his minions don't give a damn. He has too much in common w/ ppl like Putin.
This was murder.
Paladin
(31,566 posts)The bizarre times we're living in...