they will not remember him. I think that is best.

but I see your point.

Can you imagine having that colossal prick as your father?

Look at Eri -----

Oh well.

Let' hope the mother's next husband is less of a dangerous human being.

He worked several jobs, he died in June, 1960. I remember episodes, but nothing in general.
I am sure they will eventually learn that he had some awful ideas, but maybe they escape the bigotry.

Those children are part of a Far Right bubble. Their father's death will not change that environment.

and made pregnant, he'd force her to carry to term.

He was a total POS.

She deserves to know, at the apprppriate time.

113 people in this country died from gunshots yesterday.

60 million Americans hold beliefs about everything from antidepressants to zoos, and every single one of their beliefs is incorrect.

based their decision on masses of disinformation they willingly consumed and became belligerently ignorant about. They live in an alternate universe, yet cross over into ours to wreak havoc. Devastating!

Over and over and over again that everything they believe is a lie and I mean absolutely everything, they don’t buy it and they are proud to support that piece of shit😡😡😡😡

It's like they just prefer to believe the lies even though the truth is better for everyone except the lying bad guys!

or whomever, this ain't good.

But I am more than glad this particular a-hole is no longer spouting his crap.

He'll be a martyr, one less RW voice for releasing the Epstein files.
There might also be some murders of liberals because of this.

You appear to believe the OP is cutting something some way that indicates that political killings are good.

I sure can't see that in the OP.

unless important totally demented, they beat us twice. So yeah, it big friggin deal.

and downplaying the kids....this is the RW thinking they are special

Yes, it's low on the meter. Regardless of how many "trumpsters" took him seriously, he was a podcaster. I'd bet good money most of his ardent followers don't even vote

Lowered flags, AF flight, I don't think so

He was a small man. Not a leader or elected official. Should not be treated as a head of State.

Everyone was still coming down from watching a poor Ukrainian girl stabbed in the subway and dead Gaza children on our phones everyday. It’s just all to much. Too much killing and violence.

I said it has been blown out of proportion by the media. He was a small figure, nd a destructive one.

assassination of some low level Duke.

and it was Archduke Ferdinand.

of Austria-Hungary, of which the monarch was 83-something years old at the time.

So it was a big deal, and he was no low-level noble.

It was the spark that was used to justify the acceleration of forces that had long been at work. It is very likely that had the assassination not occurred some other relatively minor incident would have been grasped. Interestingly, increased nationalism was one of the forces seeking to be unleashed.

The world is still paying for the stupidity of WW1 and its aftermath.

and a silly analogy.

But it's not that big a deal...

Turning Points USA is active in 3000 high schools and colleges with around 650,000 Republican youth
members.

A Turning Points debate on Israel between Josh Hammer & Dave Smith in July dominated social media talk for a week. Republican kids at Turning Points were clapping for Libertarian Dave Smith - the anti genocide debator. This upset lots of older pro Israel Republicans who got really angry with Kirk for holding a debate on Israel. This is why thousands on x believe a Republican killed Kirk - the division over Israel.

Gavin Newsome shared a story after Kirk’s death. Newsome said when he was meeting Kirk, his 13 yr old son wanted to ditch school and meet Kirk. He said, of course he made his son go to school. What does this mean? Do lots of kids know who Kirk is?????

I don't give a F if the imbecile/incels/etc. want to go after each other. Just leave real people out of it.

. . . at least not in the sense typically conveyed by that term. This guy was an alt-right type, who had some kind of beef with Charlie Kirk. I think we should push back HARD against this "political violence" narrative that has taken root!

I’m disturbed by the number of people who rationalize this killing. I think it IS a national tragedy, because it shows the broken state of our national politics right now.

It’s certainly a tragedy for his family, and I say this as someone who was thoroughly disgusted by his ideas and his life as a provocateur.

Collectively we all need to lower the temperature right now.

Killing people for their speech degrades trust and civilization.

can be considered both a national tragedy and a disgrace.

No other way to say it.

... the per capita number of gun deaths in America is more than 10 TIMES that of comparable high-income countries. And that number is primarily driven by a gun homicide rate that is 25 TIMES that of comparable high-income countries.

I grieve for the manner of death as a reflection of the intolerable level of gun violence in America.

I hate that the shooter created a martyr whose death will be used by reactionaries as a bludgeon to spread more hate and lies.

I do not grieve the loss of a man who called for some "amazing patriot" to bail out Paul Pelosi’s attacker. I do not grieve the loss of a man who was hellbent on doing everything in his power to ensure this nation did NOTHING to reduce gun deaths.

And while I fiercely oppose Christian Nationalism, I utterly reject the use of force or violence to control or silence ANYONE who is acting or speaking in accord with the spirit of our constitution (not the unrecognizable version of that constitution being constructed by the black-robed traitors on SCOTUS).

Perhaps every governor who gives a shit about the intolerable number of PREVENTABLE gun deaths in America should order flags to be flown at half-staff until this nation passes meaningful gun control and puts big money into interventions and community-based programs that are PROVEN to reduce gun violence.

Just a thought.

Flags at half staff til we get meaningful gun control. AND pump money into programs proven to reduce gun violence.

Probably won’t happen but it’s STILL a good idea. And add publicity to explain why it’s necessary. The gun lovers get all kinds of attention. It’s LONG PAST time for some EQUAL time.

And Newson has a account over on sez.us. I have no idea if anyone monitors replies (it would be easy given that the platform is so new there are few replies to check out), but I'll be posting the notion to his next post there.

Just a guess. I’ve been out of it, professionally, for just a few decades.

But I’d bet there’s SOMEBODY in every office who might be nerdy enough or detail-fixated to keep tabs on what’s expressed or discussed “out there”. Maybe a few somebodies. Or even whole departments for media management. That input is worth everything! ALWAYS good info to have. News execs would be foolish to ignore it. It’s audience research, and the more you pay attention to it, the better. If the audience is increasing, so much the better for you!

Next to the new ballroom.

Only question is, where to put his spiked head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell%27s_head

excuse to further divide our country. Turned out, the shooter was one of them. So now it's, "hey look at the progress being made on the ballroom? Ain't it gonna be great? The most bigly and beautiful ballroom ever. Charlie who? Oh that stupid schmuck who lived by the sword and died by the sword."

occupy cities, declare martial law, punish Democrats....they were hoping the guy was a Democratic-Socialist.

Being posted online, so graphic for people to process. My God, what about the slaughter of schoolchildren, the witnessing of classmates being butchered before their eyes?! Why haven't we done anything to address the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction? Because right wing nuts that are bought by the nra value their jobs as congressmen over the lives of precious children. It's as simple as that. Oh, and also that they have a "god given right" to own guns, I guess the more the better. What kind of a God do they worship?!

Because guns are more important than other people's kids to them.

Blaming his murder on Dems and lefties is way over the top as he wasn't on the radar of anyone I talk politics with and even my neighbors with sons in their 30's didn't know about him, because we are all Dems who do not pay much attention to rightwing propagandists, unless they reach the obnoxious notoriety of Rush Limbaugh and the two Steve's. Kirk didn't even come close to that level of fame or influence in American culture except in MAGA world.

I seem to be the only one in my circle who was very familiar with him as a big MAGA promoter. The idea we should honor him as a national hero and can't discuss his divisive rhetoric without repercussions is ridiculous.

I've been on DU for over two decades but I don't spend as much time as some on here do. I say all that because until yesterday I had never heard of Charlie Kirk. I'm quite sure you are correct that the majority of people don't know who he was.

gardening, or visiting with friends or family.

Would not stop to watch such garbage.

Enough is e-fucking-nough already!!!!!!

I'll give them a week to come to their senses then may return but don't count on it.

Is there anyway that anyone knows of to contact Lawrence or Rachel and tell them just how little respect I have for them now?

as long as we have it. Trying to keep the ratings up so the RW owners don't decide they can make more money on lockdowns or something.

he is as dead as charlie manson, and was only a little bit nicer in his life. The only difference is that he didn't directly kill people, or order them killed, although what he advocated for definitely resulted in thousands of deaths. Is his death a tragedy for his family? Only in the sense that he was the breadwinner, and they cared about him. To me, his wife and daughters are better off not being subject to a man who viewed them as property, and third-class citizens.

May he now rot in the ground.

Out side of that, nothing worth eulogizing.

it's a tragedy for Kirk and his family and it was an atrocious crime, warranting a life sentence in prison, but it is not a national tragedy.

.."so kids could watch them". Well, he got his wish.

All of these rage baiters, like Charlie Kirk, spewing controversial and hate-filled rhetoric to make themselves rich, are reaping what they sow. I also have to wonder if they actually believe what they are saying, or if they are being the modern version of "shock jock" to make money.

I'm not celebrating the fact that Charlie Kirk was executed, but he doesn't get a pass either.

One last thing, YouTube Channel 5 (Andrew Callaghan) posted an interview with the person who was asking the question when Charlie Kirk was shot. There are various angles shown throughout the event, and you can see that Charlie Kirk is literally surrounded by security. These guys are constantly scanning the crowd (and are carrying guns.) They couldn't stop Charlie from being killed by a shooter, but somehow, armed teachers are supposed to?

... were murdered by a MAGAt in their own homes in MN?

BULLSHIT. It's all BULLSHIT.

And Kirk was one of them, they are going to make sure to turn this into whatever makes them feel the most important.

Missing in this case are
A second gunman
A babushka lady
A guy with the umbrella
3 hobos
Curtain rods
Box of half-eaten fried chicken

Let's just hope that when there's any transfer of Tyler, we won't see a local strip joint owner go nuts.

Since the election I haven’t watched it and the few times I turn in the tv and my husband has watched it I change the channel. They do the both sides are both wrong and it is not both sides. Firing Joy Reid and Matthew Dowd for an honest statement make the channel dead to me. I get better news and thoughtful opinions from FSTV and the nighttime tv comedy .

And Charlie Kirk was an evil a hole!

I get behind on the news sometimes - like this one but I don't really care. It's not like I can do anything about it if I'd heard it sooner.

I did turn it on again after this event but everything I saw suggested that my original instinct was correct.

Is how Charlie Kirk lived the one life he had.

The media's shallow double standard is a loss for us all.

Only to learn a moment of silence was offered for Kirk the racist jerk.

The guy was still a hateful bigot. Every gun death is a tragedy. The national tragedy this episode encapsulates is that we have so many gun deaths and are doing nothing about guns.

Thoughts and prayers

at half-staff around here. Why is this an orders of magnitude greater tragedy than any school shooting? I think Sandy Hook may have elicited a similar display, but can't recall any more recently. Certainly not the Pulse nightclub shooting, which took the lives of 49 souls.

First, Kirk's murder has the potential to trigger a backlash of violence. The usual suspects on the right are already ginning up their followers with inciting language, including Trump himself. If Robinson indeed turns out to have left-wing political views and killed Kirk because of his ideology, there could be retaliatory violence against prominent figures on our side of the aisle. I feel like a wave of retaliatory killings would fit the bill for a national tragedy.

Second, in a more philosophical sense, it's a national tragedy because this is America and people shouldn't be murdered in cold blood because of their political ideology. Those days are apparently over, and we are all the poorer for it because this one murder will have a chilling effect on free speech, one of the most vital pillars of our democracy.

if it leads to what the Mango Mussolini wants it to lead to.

Going on 10 minutes of maga heads spewing lies.
Showing people waving flags and banners at honking cars (in no doubt a conservative city). On top of that, the guy was a heartless jerk.

It is a tragedy that a supposed first world country can allow someone like Kirk to have a public forum, and that someone else takes offense enough to see a public murder as any sort of solution.

Kirk's demise itself though, nope, not a national tragedy.

Gun related deaths of innocent children, yep there is a national tragedy that 'tots & pears' won't solve.

Media has a lot to answer for. In both shootings.
They are calling it wrong in both cases.

Although I do not necessarily support what happened to Charlie Kirk - It should be duly noted that -

CHARLIE KIRK SUPPORTED WHAT HAPPENED TO CHARLIE KIRK





✊FDT!

The thousands that he viewed as watering the tree of liberty. Kind of ironic, really.

...that anytime someone is killed because of their political beliefs and/or speech, it's a national tragedy.

Will it affect our lives as much as if it were a President or Vice President or some other prominent political figure? Of course not.

But killing someone because of what they believe or what they say goes against what this country should be, and while I don't mourn the man, I mourn the act.

The now over 4 days of 24 hour coverage.

But all sorts of stuff gets extended coverage that I think is unnecessary.

Nothing tragic except its tardiness.
.

And now that I have heard of him, I don't think I missed anything.

…of persistent gun violence. Add that to the general decline of our political life due the radical right which includes the rise of the oligarchy over the last 60 years, and you have pretty well described a national tragedy.

The story is not gun violence. It's the political assassination of a great man we all need to mourn.

…being told by a supine media alright. Sad.

Well, now we know. I thought he was just being patriotic before.

When we moved in (1989) there were 4 Democratic households. In the 2016 election it had grown to 60% Democratic. I don't know what the ratio is now.

This place is the very definition of suburbia. We used to have tour busses full of Asian tourists come and look at us.

TURN IT OFF!