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mwmisses4289

(2,135 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:39 PM 7 hrs ago

Looks like those who guessed that the shooter would be a maga rwnj

were absolutely correct.

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Looks like those who guessed that the shooter would be a maga rwnj (Original Post) mwmisses4289 7 hrs ago OP
Look for a "he secretly pulled a 180, and was radicalized by the left" narrative. RockRaven 7 hrs ago #1
Oh, they already are relayerbob 6 hrs ago #12
Yep, blaming his exposure to leftist college professors Attilatheblond 5 hrs ago #20
They Have to shift blame IbogaProject 5 hrs ago #23
On Fox News they're claiming Diraven 6 hrs ago #16
I saw a professor's post that said, "if I could indoctrinate my students, I'd make them read the syllabus." nt spooky3 5 hrs ago #17
🤣🤣🤣🤣 mchill 4 hrs ago #34
It's true róisín_dubh 36 min ago #47
not community college: Utah State University Celerity 5 hrs ago #25
Quick.....have the National Guard occupy Utah!! n/t AdamGG 4 hrs ago #40
That's already being pushed on the rwnj sites I monitor. SeattleVet 5 hrs ago #21
Actually, I am finding arguments from other posters who say that Jack Valentino 3 hrs ago #43
Yeah, those liberal electrican instructors LogDog75 4 hrs ago #39
It takes rigid, authoritarian, paranoid minds bucolic_frolic 7 hrs ago #2
Critical Thinking. multigraincracker 4 hrs ago #32
That was basically my point Cosmocat 57 min ago #45
Was he radicalized by Fuentes? Sneederbunk 7 hrs ago #3
I think he was radicalized by his family Farmer-Rick 6 hrs ago #14
I dont get the sense they got him there Cosmocat 55 min ago #46
He was so young. A weird combo of Groyper Army, gaming culture, and manosphere... pat_k 4 hrs ago #31
Wow, Ellie Reeve's observation is a good one, particularly for the RWNJ who are blaming the left. FadedMullet 4 hrs ago #35
She seems to know of what she speaks. pat_k 4 hrs ago #36
And this is important because of the violence that comes from the right is way more than from the left uponit7771 7 hrs ago #4
I am seeing bothsiderism comments in the NYT tonekat 5 hrs ago #19
Statistical likelihood was in favor. MaineBlueBear 7 hrs ago #5
lol yeah, i heard that. stupid rat Gov. but...he did give other good points. Nimble_Idea 6 hrs ago #9
This won't be popular, but I want to step in and defend Spencer Cox pat_k 4 hrs ago #33
Interesting that one white wing racist assassinated another. Silent Type 7 hrs ago #6
Not racist enough for a racist roamer65 6 hrs ago #8
Saying XCSki 6 hrs ago #11
In the end, I think this guy will turn out to be like most of similar shooters, young, living at home, Silent Type 4 hrs ago #29
He shared an apartment with a friend 10 minutes from his parents' home LogDog75 4 hrs ago #41
Gee, and what else do those types also have in common? W_HAMILTON 1 hr ago #44
I guessed that the shooter would be a maga rwnj. markodochartaigh 6 hrs ago #7
Remember the old Bolsheviks? JanMichael 6 hrs ago #10
I was way off. StarryNite 6 hrs ago #13
No professional Greg_In_SF 6 hrs ago #15
My thinking was if it had been one if us ms liberty 5 hrs ago #18
Knew it before the news came out Picaro 5 hrs ago #22
Same. Delarage 5 hrs ago #24
Yep, me too blubunyip 5 hrs ago #27
What do I win? yourout 5 hrs ago #26
I'm honestly a little disappointed. Queso Delicioso 4 hrs ago #28
He was a Groyper AncientOfDays 4 hrs ago #30
85% chance you would be right. Old Crank 4 hrs ago #37
Well, I suspected Trump of orchestrating it. Does that count? 58Sunliner 4 hrs ago #38
Maybe they'll agree to withhold the death penalty AdamGG 4 hrs ago #42

RockRaven

(17,943 posts)
1. Look for a "he secretly pulled a 180, and was radicalized by the left" narrative.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:43 PM
7 hrs ago

Those in charge of further investigation and prosecution will be ideologically, and career advancement-wise, motivated to service that narrative.

Attilatheblond

(7,207 posts)
20. Yep, blaming his exposure to leftist college professors
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:14 PM
5 hrs ago


1) He only attended one semester in college

2) Leftist college professors? In Utah? Can't see that happening much. Maybe ONE leftist college professor, probably an anthropologist.

IbogaProject

(4,932 posts)
23. They Have to shift blame
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:26 PM
5 hrs ago

It couldn't have been his Parents, Preacher, or their hunting buddies.

Diraven

(1,546 posts)
16. On Fox News they're claiming
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:53 PM
6 hrs ago

He was "indoctrinated" in violent far-left liberal ideology because he went to 1 semester of community college (before dropping out), 3 years ago, in the most conservative state in the country.

spooky3

(37,854 posts)
17. I saw a professor's post that said, "if I could indoctrinate my students, I'd make them read the syllabus." nt
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:00 PM
5 hrs ago

Celerity

(51,891 posts)
25. not community college: Utah State University
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:31 PM
5 hrs ago

In 2021, Mr. Robinson’s mother posted a video of her son reading a letter in which he said he had received a presidential scholarship to Utah State University worth $32,000. But a university spokeswoman said that Mr. Robinson only attended the university for one semester in 2021, as a pre-engineering major. The school is roughly two hours away from Utah Valley University, where the shooting took place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/us/politics/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk.html

SeattleVet

(5,731 posts)
21. That's already being pushed on the rwnj sites I monitor.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:22 PM
5 hrs ago

Along with claims that his mother must have been the one that 'groomed' him. Bunch of freaking idiots trying to find a way to keep blame from what Kirk's rhetoric had planted.

Jack Valentino

(3,200 posts)
43. Actually, I am finding arguments from other posters who say that
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:58 PM
3 hrs ago

he was a follower of Nick Fuentes, and thus thought Kirk to be
"not far right enough"--- to be somewhat convincing!

Heck, maybe he was a follower of Laura Looney Loomer,
who attacked Kirk several months ago (before deleting those Tweets)
for being a traitor to Donald Trump--- and THAT inspired him to the act....


ANYWAY, starting to look a lot like "right on right violence" to me....

I don't have a dog in that "hunt".

LogDog75

(846 posts)
39. Yeah, those liberal electrican instructors
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:41 PM
4 hrs ago

radicalized him with their talk about alternating current.

bucolic_frolic

(52,306 posts)
2. It takes rigid, authoritarian, paranoid minds
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:47 PM
7 hrs ago

to set out and execute someone in a premeditated manner. No ambiguity. You are right and want the other guy dead.

Generally, liberals understand shades of gray, there is ambiguity in most things in their lives. They are not good candidates for assassins.

IMHO, of course.

Farmer-Rick

(12,055 posts)
14. I think he was radicalized by his family
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:45 PM
6 hrs ago

The Grandma came out and said the family was all right-winger Trump supporters. Then there are pictures of him with all sorts of weapons and guns from childhood to adulthood.

His father is in construction and his mother works with disabled people. They have a huge house that looks like they have a lot of wealth. They are Mormons and are probably well connect in the church.

Maybe they weren't as bad and neglectful as Jennifer and James Crumbley but they certainly have many similar characteristics.





Cosmocat

(15,272 posts)
46. I dont get the sense they got him there
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 02:58 AM
55 min ago

They certainly immersed him in MAGA, but it's becoming clear he got sucked into the new age extremist right that targets young white males.

pat_k

(11,699 posts)
31. He was so young. A weird combo of Groyper Army, gaming culture, and manosphere...
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:09 PM
4 hrs ago

...that we may never get a handle on.






FadedMullet

(495 posts)
35. Wow, Ellie Reeve's observation is a good one, particularly for the RWNJ who are blaming the left.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:28 PM
4 hrs ago

pat_k

(11,699 posts)
36. She seems to know of what she speaks.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:37 PM
4 hrs ago

An AI overview

Elle Reeve's expertise lies in investigative journalism, particularly focusing on social issues, politics, and the connection between social media and white nationalism, as evidenced by her work on the documentary Right Now, her reporting on the 2017 Charlottesville rally and the January 6th Capitol attack, and her role as a correspondent for CNN. Her background includes working at prestigious publications like The New Republic and The Wire before joining Vice News and subsequently CNN, and she is also the author of the book Black Pill.

Key areas of expertise:

Right-wing extremism and white nationalism
Reeve is known for her in-depth coverage of these movements, including her work at the 2017 Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally and the January 6th Capitol attack.

Social media's impact on extremism
Her expertise includes understanding how online platforms contribute to the rise of radical movements.

Documentary filmmaking
She produced the documentary Right Now, which explores the rise of the American alt-right.

Investigative reporting
Her career includes roles as a senior editor at The New Republic and politics editor at The Wire, highlighting her investigative journalism skills.

uponit7771

(93,230 posts)
4. And this is important because of the violence that comes from the right is way more than from the left
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:48 PM
7 hrs ago

tonekat

(2,338 posts)
19. I am seeing bothsiderism comments in the NYT
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:13 PM
5 hrs ago

I asked one for a list of assassinations by the left, and that he couldn't include Sacco and Vanzetti.

MaineBlueBear

(286 posts)
5. Statistical likelihood was in favor.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:50 PM
7 hrs ago

75% rwnj
20% Islamic
4% left wing
1% other

Their governor was hoping it was an immigrant.

pat_k

(11,699 posts)
33. This won't be popular, but I want to step in and defend Spencer Cox
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:23 PM
4 hrs ago

I highly recommend this forum. Time codes for sections below.

Wes Moore's promotion and work to expand funding for a service year after high school is something that is truly a step in the right direction. And Spencer Cox has championed a similar program in Utah.

The entire program is worthwhile, but the section with Spencer Cox and Wes Moore (14:01 to 51:29) is a must see for anyone looking for signs of hope in a bleak political landscape.

With Malice Toward None, With Charity for All, 2/21/24
https://www.youtube.com/live/8SFSkWxUxeo

37 minutes
14:01 to 51:29
Keynote: Spencer Cox and Wes Moore

44 minutes
52:15 to 1:28:44
Panel
Dr. Timothy Shriver
Ruth Okejiji
Rachel Brand
Donna Brazile

1:28:30 to 1:55:00
Panel
Rev. Dr. David McAllister-Wilson
Joshua Dubois
Peter Wehner
Judge Thomas Griffith
Dr. Timothy Shriver

Silent Type

(10,967 posts)
29. In the end, I think this guy will turn out to be like most of similar shooters, young, living at home,
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:05 PM
4 hrs ago

referred to rightly or wrongly as an incel, looking for notice, needing treatment, etc.

markodochartaigh

(3,896 posts)
7. I guessed that the shooter would be a maga rwnj.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 08:59 PM
6 hrs ago

Now I'm going to make another, and more difficult prediction: the sun will rise in the morning.

Greg_In_SF

(532 posts)
15. No professional
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:53 PM
6 hrs ago

hitman would jump off a roof like that risking a leg injury that could lead him to be easily caught. Same goes for leaving shoe, palm, etc. prints.

ms liberty

(10,566 posts)
18. My thinking was if it had been one if us
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:00 PM
5 hrs ago

It would have been an older person with a terminal illness and a near term end-date if you know what I mean.
But, I always expected it to be a magat, either disillusioned or internal warfare. They seem to believe in violence.

Picaro

(2,184 posts)
22. Knew it before the news came out
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:23 PM
5 hrs ago

We don’t have a violent leftist movement in this country. The knee jerk urge to violence is very much a right wing thing these days.

I had absolute confidence that it was a right winger that committed the murder.

Delarage

(2,480 posts)
24. Same.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:31 PM
5 hrs ago

I wasn't sure who he was, TBH. When I heard "Charlie Kirk Assassinated" I assumed he was a Democratic politician somewhere killed by a white nationalist. Then when I heard he was a Trumper/Wingnut/White Nationalist, I assumed it was an inside job (but wasn't sure why). Then when I heard he was pushing the Epstein story even though it displeased the Fuhrer, I was 99% sure it was because of that.

blubunyip

(245 posts)
27. Yep, me too
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:38 PM
5 hrs ago

based on known statistics about these incidents of high profile gun violence.

Right wing crazies and terrorists have been keeping everyone hostage for a long time in America. And with the rise of the Rump regime, it's no surprise that it's a whole lot worse.

Elect a rapist, get f__ed.
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Google: "High-profile gun violence in the US is marked by frequent mass shootings that have devastated communities nationwide. The rate of mass shootings and gun deaths has increased significantly since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, with firearms surpassing car accidents as the leading cause of death for children and adolescents."

Old Crank

(6,186 posts)
37. 85% chance you would be right.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:38 PM
4 hrs ago

Should be hard to get a taker on the other side of that bet..

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