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pbmus

(13,077 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:48 AM 14 hrs ago

The SILENCE of the Generals




The silence of the generals, by Robert B. Hubbell

The most remarkable aspect of Trump’s speech to the assembled generals and admirals of the US military was the silence.

The generals sat in silence.

They sat in silence as Trump slurred and rambled through a “speech” that insulted the intelligence, professionalism, and loyalty of the generals.

They sat in silence as Trump attacked their former commander-in-chief, Joe Biden.

They sat in silence as Trump claimed that the military would use U.S. cities as “training grounds” for waging war against American civilians.

They sat in silence as Trump said he would ask the military to fight “the enemy from within.”

They sat in silence as Hegseth said the generals were free to ignore the law of war and international treaties that separate the US military from barbarians and war criminals.

They sat in silence as Trump said that the Navy should “consider the concept of battleship.”

They sat in silence as Trump wondered aloud why the generals sat in silence.

They sat in silence even after Trump pandered for their applause.

Their silence spoke volumes.

In their silence, the generals affirmed their oaths to defend the Constitution.

In their silence, the generals demonstrated their professionalism, discipline, and judgment.

It could have been otherwise. Trump and Hegseth expected it to be so. In their adolescent fantasies, Trump and Hegseth believed the generals would fête them with standing ovations, chanting, “USA! USA! USA!”

Instead, Trump and Hegseth were humiliated as their unhinged, delusional words slapped sharply against the bare walls and fell to the ground, their lunacy heightened by the silence of the generals.

Without the crutch and cover of cheering crowds, Trump’s mental deterioration was laid bare for all to see. Trump told the generals that the city of Portland “looks like a war zone. . . . unless they’re playing false tapes, this looked like World War II.”

Every general who heard Trump say that Portland “looks like a war zone” knew it was a lie and understood that their Commander-in-Chief is so feeble that he is unable to distinguish between reality and “false tapes” replayed on Fox News.

Every general who watched Pete Hegseth’s peurile speech immediately recognized him as one of the posers and video-game warriors that the generals identify as misfits to be counseled out of the military at the first opportunity.

The generals were not impressed by Trump or Hegseth. The generals are sophisticated, successful professionals who have risen to the top (in part) because of their ability to judge people—the good, the bad, and the flakes. They left the meeting understanding exactly who Trump and Hegseth are.

All Americans should take confidence and comfort from the silence of the generals. Their silence was an act of protest—because their silence exhibited loyalty to the Constitution and respect for the Office of the President, rather than for Donald Trump.

Prior to Trump’s meeting with the generals, dozens of readers forwarded Substack and social media posts claiming that Trump would use the occasion to declare martial law. Other readers sent posts claiming that Trump would administer a loyalty oath requiring fealty to Trump. Still others predicted on-the-spot mass firings and public humiliation of generals perceived to be disloyal.

In his final insult, Trump told the generals they looked like they came out of “central casting.” In doing so, he trivialized and demeaned their accomplishments and professionalism, telling them they were nothing more than props for infantile speeches by men who hold the military in contempt.

And so, the generals sat in silence, depriving Trump of the thing he values most--obsequious adulation.

The silence of the generals spoke volumes.
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The SILENCE of the Generals (Original Post) pbmus 14 hrs ago OP
Add the Silence of the Generals to the squeaky tank at the failed birthday parade and what you got? Bernardo de La Paz 14 hrs ago #1
That's the only part of the speech that mattered. The General's reaction. How many times did Trump evade Viet Nam? OAITW r.2.0 14 hrs ago #2
"The Silence of the Generals" conveys the entire message. OAITW r.2.0 14 hrs ago #3
Their sidearms would say a whole lot more. Frasier Balzov 14 hrs ago #4
Speaking of Military Correction, why hasn't the Russian Military corrected Putin? OAITW r.2.0 14 hrs ago #5
I see what you're saying. Frasier Balzov 14 hrs ago #6
Watched it again, recently. I see a lotta Trump sycophants that are like Stalin's handmaidens. OAITW r.2.0 13 hrs ago #9
Throw in "The Manchurian Canidate" by Richard Condon rubbersole 13 hrs ago #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #36
Man, I hope that this author is right! AZJonnie 14 hrs ago #7
Judging by the expressions on their faces, MarineCombatEngineer 6 hrs ago #15
Your bona-fides on the subject far exceed mine my friend! AZJonnie 1 hr ago #42
or maybe they are silent because they will follow orders as usual nt msongs 14 hrs ago #8
Nope, MarineCombatEngineer 6 hrs ago #18
I sure hope you are right Bettie 6 hrs ago #19
These are not Been A Dick Donald appointees, unlike the JCoS, MarineCombatEngineer 5 hrs ago #21
I can only imagine what the Black and female officers must have been thinking Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #37
At your rank MCE I am pretty sure you spent some time with Generals. Prairie_Seagull 4 hrs ago #39
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe 12 hrs ago #11
That's for sure. ...nt Figarosmom 12 hrs ago #12
The idiot was right about something the other day: Smart people don't like him. Dave Bowman 12 hrs ago #13
Question: OneGrassRoot 7 hrs ago #14
Yeah, there was a difference, MarineCombatEngineer 6 hrs ago #17
Awesome to know! Thanks very much, MCE. n/t OneGrassRoot 5 hrs ago #35
"The silence of the generals spoke volumes." Paladin 6 hrs ago #16
A slither of hope in this post. kentuck 6 hrs ago #20
It's what they always do. Johnny2X2X 5 hrs ago #22
The look of contempt on their faces is not what they always do, MarineCombatEngineer 5 hrs ago #23
People see what they want to see Kaleva 5 hrs ago #24
Again, bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer 5 hrs ago #26
"addressed" isn't what I would say. Tetrachloride 5 hrs ago #29
Neither would I, MarineCombatEngineer 5 hrs ago #30
Where is the military's contempt for Trump's illegal orders to blow up small Venezuelan boats and kill dozens, sop 5 hrs ago #32
As I said in another post, MarineCombatEngineer 5 hrs ago #33
Look, I'm not going argue this, MarineCombatEngineer 5 hrs ago #31
I agree Kaleva 5 hrs ago #25
While it's true that a group of military officers won't be cheering and applauding a speech Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #38
They now must act Clouds Passing 5 hrs ago #27
It wasn't "The Sound of Silence." It was, in part, "Run Silent, Run Deep." (The Air Force would have something Tetrachloride 5 hrs ago #28
Generals don't cheer like MAGAs at a political rally. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #34
Generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses, evil minds that plot destruction. cayugafalls 4 hrs ago #40
You can tell they weren't impressed, but I'm not sure it matters all that much. D23MIURG23 4 hrs ago #41

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,171 posts)
1. Add the Silence of the Generals to the squeaky tank at the failed birthday parade and what you got?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:53 AM
14 hrs ago

A tin-pot wannabe tyrant who incompetently runs an incompetent administration.

OAITW r.2.0

(30,672 posts)
2. That's the only part of the speech that mattered. The General's reaction. How many times did Trump evade Viet Nam?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:03 AM
14 hrs ago

Fuck him and his clown-puppet Hegseth for even attempting to humiliate the best we have.

OAITW r.2.0

(30,672 posts)
3. "The Silence of the Generals" conveys the entire message.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:08 AM
14 hrs ago

If you are a 34x convicted criminal....how confident are you - in this moment - with your political future?

Frasier Balzov

(4,598 posts)
4. Their sidearms would say a whole lot more.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:09 AM
14 hrs ago

But I presume they were required to check them at the door.

OAITW r.2.0

(30,672 posts)
5. Speaking of Military Correction, why hasn't the Russian Military corrected Putin?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:14 AM
14 hrs ago

I think their Constitution approves this method of removal.

Frasier Balzov

(4,598 posts)
6. I see what you're saying.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:21 AM
14 hrs ago

Totalitarianism is all about going along to get along.

Humorously depicted in the movie The Death of Stalin.

Dark humor of course.

OAITW r.2.0

(30,672 posts)
9. Watched it again, recently. I see a lotta Trump sycophants that are like Stalin's handmaidens.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:45 AM
13 hrs ago

rubbersole

(10,646 posts)
10. Throw in "The Manchurian Canidate" by Richard Condon
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:50 AM
13 hrs ago

A puppet president installed by and working for putin. It's how we got here.

Response to Frasier Balzov (Reply #4)

AZJonnie

(1,713 posts)
7. Man, I hope that this author is right!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:22 AM
14 hrs ago

I mean, it absolutely makes sense to interpret it this way, and seems like the most likely one, but that's not the only possible interpretation.

Still an absolutely brilliant piece of writing in any case

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,050 posts)
15. Judging by the expressions on their faces,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 08:55 AM
6 hrs ago

I would say that is the only possible interpretation.
The look of utter contempt on their faces says it all and Been A Dick Donald and Kegsbreath are too fucking stupid to realize it.

I've got a distinctive feeling that if Been A Dick Donald even tried to invoke either the Insurrection Act or Martial Law, it would be deemed an illegal order by the Generals and Admirals, and, lest we forget, I doubt that the line officers and senior NCO's would go along with such an illegal order as well.

During my career, it was pounded into our heads that our Oath was to the Constitution, not to a sitting President.

Been A Dick Donald made a huge mistake thinking that those military men were going to fawn all over him, instead all he got was a huge fuck you from them.

AZJonnie

(1,713 posts)
42. Your bona-fides on the subject far exceed mine my friend!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:51 PM
1 hr ago

Thanks for that, that's def. encouraging

Bettie

(18,924 posts)
19. I sure hope you are right
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:30 AM
6 hrs ago

because if they do what he (well, Miller and Vought) tells them to, it's going to get really bad.

So, the ultimate question is where their loyalty lies.

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,050 posts)
21. These are not Been A Dick Donald appointees, unlike the JCoS,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:56 AM
5 hrs ago

these are highly professional men and women whose loyalty, judging by the look of contempt on their faces towards Been A Dick and Kegsbreath, is to the Constitution.

Ocelot II

(127,512 posts)
37. I can only imagine what the Black and female officers must have been thinking
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM
4 hrs ago

when Kegbreath made it clear that he considered the ideal military force to be white and male.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,389 posts)
39. At your rank MCE I am pretty sure you spent some time with Generals.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:19 AM
4 hrs ago

These people are some of the most serious folks on the planet.

Unlike this administration.

OneGrassRoot

(23,844 posts)
14. Question:
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 08:29 AM
7 hrs ago

Are there any images of similar gatherings of top brass? I ask because I know they are always stoic. And they're not supposed to applaud or anything. I'm just wondering if there's a difference in the vibe at other events with top brass. Were they much more stone-faced than usual?

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,050 posts)
17. Yeah, there was a difference,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:03 AM
6 hrs ago

the look of utter contempt on their faces was the difference.
I spent 35 years in the Marines, I know that look well, seen it many times on NCO's and line officers and the look on the Generals and Admirals was exactly the same.

Paladin

(31,701 posts)
16. "The silence of the generals spoke volumes."
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 08:58 AM
6 hrs ago

God bless and keep and empower each and every one of them, against the horrors of this filthy, deranged regime.

kentuck

(114,735 posts)
20. A slither of hope in this post.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:31 AM
6 hrs ago

I think it is spot on. Nothing hurts him as much as silence when he gives his applause lines. My bet is that once they returned to the White House, ketchup was running down the walls. He probably threatened to fire every single one of them?

Johnny2X2X

(23,463 posts)
22. It's what they always do.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:00 AM
5 hrs ago

This is a non story, they behaved the way they're supposed to. it would have been a story if they had cheered Trump.

Know this, when Obama spoke to military leaders and they sat there in silence too, because they aren't political, FOX News ran clips of it claiming it's proof the generals don't respect him.

This is a non story, and the majority of the men in that room support Trump's fascist agenda.

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,050 posts)
23. The look of contempt on their faces is not what they always do,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:05 AM
5 hrs ago

the difference between Pres. Obama's speech and Been A Dick Donalds "speech" is that during Pres. Obama's speech, there was quiet respect for him while during Been A Dick Donald's "speech" the Generals and Admirals had contemptuous looks on their faces.
Trust me, I know that look from my years in the military.

This is a non story, and the majority of the men in that room support Trump's fascist agenda.

Bullshit!!!!
You have zero idea of what you're talking about.

Kaleva

(39,995 posts)
24. People see what they want to see
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:08 AM
5 hrs ago

This is a non story as the officers behaved the way they’ve been trained to behave when being addressed by a superior.

sop

(16,273 posts)
32. Where is the military's contempt for Trump's illegal orders to blow up small Venezuelan boats and kill dozens,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:26 AM
5 hrs ago

relying solely on some bullshit claims of drug running and immigrant smuggling?

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,050 posts)
33. As I said in another post,
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:28 AM
5 hrs ago

I'm not going to argue this, I know that look and it was a look of contempt.
Have a great day and weekend.

Ocelot II

(127,512 posts)
38. While it's true that a group of military officers won't be cheering and applauding a speech
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:01 AM
4 hrs ago

by any CinC, I very much doubt that "the majority of the men in that room support Trump's fascist agenda." They are career military people, and the ethos of the US military does not comport with a fascist agenda. Many military people - but definitely not all - tend to be politically conservative in the traditional sense, but Trump isn't a traditional conservative - and I can't imagine that any of them support his idea that military personnel could be used to fight what Trump considers to be crime in American cities against American people.

Tetrachloride

(9,047 posts)
28. It wasn't "The Sound of Silence." It was, in part, "Run Silent, Run Deep." (The Air Force would have something
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:18 AM
5 hrs ago

different.)

Ocelot II

(127,512 posts)
34. Generals don't cheer like MAGAs at a political rally.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:29 AM
5 hrs ago

Military personnel follow strict customs and courtesies, which include showing deference and respect to the commander in chief and refraining from showing approval or disapproval of political statements. Typical decorum means they are only polite, though the facial expressions of many of them certainly suggested something other than approval.

Kegbreath must have known that the officers wouldn't behave as if they were at a political event, but Trump obviously wasn't expecting a crowd that just sat there and didn't applaud or cheer for him. He's an energy vampire. He's like Tinker Bell in the Peter Pan play who will die if the children don't applaud.

cayugafalls

(5,931 posts)
40. Generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses, evil minds that plot destruction.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:30 AM
4 hrs ago

Sorcerers of deaths construction.

They may have been silent, but they sat there and listened as illegal orders, insults and lies were thrown around like fish at the market.

I will put no faith in silence...

Just my humble opinion.

D23MIURG23

(3,134 posts)
41. You can tell they weren't impressed, but I'm not sure it matters all that much.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:35 AM
4 hrs ago

What matters is what (if anything) they do when he starts giving them illegal orders. Will they go along with the next coup? Will they go along with it when he starts ordering them to start shooting at city dwellers?

Recognizing that he is a stupid blowhard is one thing, actually standing up to him or intervening in his crazy is another.

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