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gab13by13

(29,925 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 08:58 AM 5 hrs ago

Krasnov Tries To Steal A Dwight Eisenhower Sword From Ike's Presidential Library

Krasnov wanted the sword to gift to King Charles. The head of the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library told Krasnov he was not authorized to give away a gifted sword.

The head of the library tried to find a replica sword for Krasnov but Krasnov was upset so he told the head of the library to quit or be fired.

The head of the library quit even though Krasnov had no authority to fire him.

In the end, Krasnov gave King Charles a replica sword.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/official-quits-after-dispute-over-trump-s-eisenhower-sword-gift-to-king-charles/ar-AA1NL5QJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=68dfc50d6fd7421a8e3bc7628f9b31f9&ei=15

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Krasnov Tries To Steal A Dwight Eisenhower Sword From Ike's Presidential Library (Original Post) gab13by13 5 hrs ago OP
If Ike were still alive, he would decapitate Trump with the f--- sword. nt doc03 5 hrs ago #1
I'd buy a ticket to see that live... or on Pay-per-View! QueerDuck 3 hrs ago #19
Then let the Traildogbob 2 hrs ago #32
I do believe that it is important to note that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, when he was alive and crazy like trump Escurumbele 2 hrs ago #40
If Trump really wanted to make America great again and lose 15 pounds of ugly fat... iscooterliberally 39 min ago #52
Totally...utterly...OUT OF CONTROL NCDem47 5 hrs ago #2
He wants EVERYTHING and with each thing he takes, the emptiness inside just grows Attilatheblond 4 hrs ago #10
I cannot overstate how real your reple title is. ms liberty 2 hrs ago #35
Yes, literally out of control because he's lost touch with reality William Seger 3 hrs ago #16
He's psycho, pukes need to rein this motherfucker in Blues Heron 4 hrs ago #3
And the magas call that normal?................... Lovie777 4 hrs ago #4
Of course they think it normal, as he is God Emperor and everything is his for the taking at his slightest whim Celerity 4 hrs ago #6
The head of the library should not have resigned, people need to stop giving in to Trump's insane demands. sop 4 hrs ago #5
I believe he can still file a lawsuit and maybe get his job back FakeNoose 38 min ago #53
trump cares nothing about tradition and history... Wounded Bear 4 hrs ago #7
'Cause a guy who runs around in uniforms, and facing his last days really, really needs another sword. marble falls 4 hrs ago #8
If Krasnov doesn't get his way immediately, he throws a tantrum like a 2-year-old. MLWR 4 hrs ago #9
So whose bright idea was this? Did Charles indicate such? And how niyad 4 hrs ago #11
I suspect that Charles simply played to rump's malignant narcissism with flattery William Seger 3 hrs ago #18
That does not answer either question. niyad 2 hrs ago #38
Sorry, misplaced reply (nt) William Seger 20 min ago #56
I read in another article earlier that it was Melania's idea and her that would not take no. Bev54 2 hrs ago #37
Now where in the world would she come up with that? Nothing that has ever niyad 2 hrs ago #39
What a fucking baby. He is out of control and is burning America to the ground in part due to his madness. Botany 3 hrs ago #12
Why does anyone give in to this chump? ECL213 3 hrs ago #13
I don't get it either. NCDem47 3 hrs ago #17
We all should keep an eye on Ft. Knox popsdenver 3 hrs ago #14
I thought the same thing. Where does the 24K gold trump brags about come from? Paper Roses 2 hrs ago #36
I like Ike. multigraincracker 3 hrs ago #15
Who cares about Eisenhower angrychair 3 hrs ago #20
What liberalgunwilltravel 3 hrs ago #25
Ike also liberalgunwilltravel 3 hrs ago #26
Can you document that accusation? GiqueCee 2 hrs ago #34
100% angrychair 2 hrs ago #42
Correlation is not causation... GiqueCee 1 hr ago #46
That is a lot of assumptions angrychair 1 hr ago #48
What are you on about?? Citations, evidence, if you would, please. niyad 2 hrs ago #41
This is not a secret or obscure angrychair 2 hrs ago #43
Then kindly cite the documentation. Simply saying that it exists does niyad 2 hrs ago #44
Not sure what you mean angrychair 1 hr ago #47
It goes back as far as the Civil War liberalgunwilltravel 1 hr ago #45
Yes he was angrychair 1 hr ago #49
So now the Republicans are shitting on their very own former hero, Eisenhower Champp 3 hrs ago #21
When you are KING everything belongs to you by divine right. NoMoreRepugs 3 hrs ago #22
He should have "given" the sword to Trump liberalgunwilltravel 3 hrs ago #23
Ike was back when Republicans were honorable. Aristus 3 hrs ago #24
;-{) Goonch 3 hrs ago #27
Wish the Rebl2 3 hrs ago #28
Under the National Archives. Historic NY 3 hrs ago #29
The George H. W. Bush library in College Station is partially open. TexasTowelie 3 hrs ago #30
Infantile behavior. mn9driver 2 hrs ago #31
Krasnov is the ultimate POS! flashman13 2 hrs ago #33
Steal? Do you think presidents take things they own personally to give, as a diplomatic gift, to foreign dignitaries? Ms. Toad 51 min ago #50
What would you call it? gab13by13 37 min ago #54
Agreed. If TSF is involved,it is always steal. Sneederbunk 23 min ago #55
Trump giving away priceless objects STOLEN from the American people. Irish_Dem 45 min ago #51
I think of what Rummy said gab13by13 11 min ago #57
Trump is moving priceless US artifacts to his secret warehouses. Irish_Dem 6 min ago #58

Traildogbob

(11,920 posts)
32. Then let the
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:11 AM
2 hrs ago

Mexican National women’s soccer team play a game with that ugly ass head against Canada’s women’s team.
How many minutes would that last before it would be a pile of hamberder?

Escurumbele

(3,917 posts)
40. I do believe that it is important to note that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, when he was alive and crazy like trump
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:49 AM
2 hrs ago

tried to do the same, twice. He tried to give away a sword of Simon Bolivar to a couple of World leaders, but he was not able to, someone with a better mind than Chavez stopped him, and like trump now, he was only able to give them replicas.

For those who may not know who Hugo Chavez was, he was a so called "socialist" who in reality was a dictator, he died of cancer, and the speculation is that he, and other thugs from his regime opened Simon Bolivar's grave, took some bones out, made tea, and they all drunk it. All those who drunk the tea have died of cancer.

Simon Bolivar liberated Venezuela from the Spaniards, he also liberated Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador and of course Venezuela, and he also helped with the liberation of Argentina, even though the credit has gone to Jose de San Martin, although Martin could not have been able to accomplish it without the help from Bolivar.

Why am I pointing this out? Because if one takes the time to analyze trump's moves to become a dictator, and compares the moves that Chavez made, you will find the parallelism, the use of the same methods which if trump and his minions are not stopped, the USA runs with the danger of becoming another Venezuela. IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!

So even stupidities like that of the sword he has copied from Chavez. He and Chavez are twins from different mothers, they both act/acted as if they owned the country, and they both serve a master, in Chavez case it was Fidel Castro, in trump's case is Putin.

That is why I tell some of my Venezuelan friends who think trump will end Maduro's regime, that it will not happen, Putin did not allow it in 2018, and won't allow it now. I hope that, for the Venezuelan people, that I am wrong. Chapter 9 of John Bolton's book "The Room Where it Happened", he talks about how Bolton was ready to bring Maduro down, but Putin gave the orders to trump to leave him alone, trump stopped Bolton, one of the reasons why trump is going after Bolton.

iscooterliberally

(3,135 posts)
52. If Trump really wanted to make America great again and lose 15 pounds of ugly fat...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:27 PM
39 min ago

...he should take that sword and cut his own head off.

Attilatheblond

(7,363 posts)
10. He wants EVERYTHING and with each thing he takes, the emptiness inside just grows
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:50 AM
4 hrs ago

It is decades past time when somebody needs to tell the brat that NO in a complete sentence and means NO.

ms liberty

(10,650 posts)
35. I cannot overstate how real your reple title is.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:27 AM
2 hrs ago

"10. He wants EVERYTHING and with each thing he takes, the emptiness inside just grows"

William Seger

(11,846 posts)
16. Yes, literally out of control because he's lost touch with reality
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:18 AM
3 hrs ago

... a willing victim of the delusions of grandeur caused by a mental illness known as power psychosis.

Celerity

(52,241 posts)
6. Of course they think it normal, as he is God Emperor and everything is his for the taking at his slightest whim
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:27 AM
4 hrs ago

sop

(16,273 posts)
5. The head of the library should not have resigned, people need to stop giving in to Trump's insane demands.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:27 AM
4 hrs ago

FakeNoose

(38,848 posts)
53. I believe he can still file a lawsuit and maybe get his job back
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:28 PM
38 min ago

Others have done it successfully, and the judges are mostly sympathetic.
This guy was treated very unfairly.

Wounded Bear

(63,094 posts)
7. trump cares nothing about tradition and history...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:27 AM
4 hrs ago

He only cares about what he can get from anything he touches.

marble falls

(68,781 posts)
8. 'Cause a guy who runs around in uniforms, and facing his last days really, really needs another sword.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:31 AM
4 hrs ago

niyad

(127,664 posts)
11. So whose bright idea was this? Did Charles indicate such? And how
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:03 AM
4 hrs ago

did any of the hate-mongering scum around krasnov even know of the sword? Does it have some particular connection to GB or the Royal Family?

Also, who actually owned the Tiffany brooch that was presented to Camilla?

And, what, by the way, were the pedo rapist and the slovenian sex worker given that nnow belong to us?

William Seger

(11,846 posts)
18. I suspect that Charles simply played to rump's malignant narcissism with flattery
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:23 AM
3 hrs ago

It's not a secret that such a small man can be easily manipulated.

Bev54

(12,931 posts)
37. I read in another article earlier that it was Melania's idea and her that would not take no.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:36 AM
2 hrs ago

niyad

(127,664 posts)
39. Now where in the world would she come up with that? Nothing that has ever
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:46 AM
2 hrs ago

been written about her indicates that she is a student of history, or familiar with Eisenhower.

Botany

(75,419 posts)
12. What a fucking baby. He is out of control and is burning America to the ground in part due to his madness.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:08 AM
3 hrs ago

From the article.

“Arrington had been working as director of the Eisenhower library since August 2024. It is one of 16 presidential libraries in the US that are run by the National Archives.

The US archivist is responsible for hiring library directors, and the White House does not have a say in the firing and hiring of these employees.

Arrington told CBS that he wanted to go back to his job.

"I'd return to this job in a heartbeat," he said. "I love the job, I love the people, I love the history. I never in a million years wanted this to happen." “

ECL213

(414 posts)
13. Why does anyone give in to this chump?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:13 AM
3 hrs ago

He has no authority to do half the shit he does, and people like this just cave.

NCDem47

(3,098 posts)
17. I don't get it either.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:19 AM
3 hrs ago

Trump and his goons employ mafia tactics. They can make life unbearable for anyone standing in the way. They would figure out who holds the sword over the persons head and apply pressure that way. I’d say “See you in court.”

popsdenver

(581 posts)
14. We all should keep an eye on Ft. Knox
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:14 AM
3 hrs ago

With his obsession for anything/everything GOLD, he is likely to try and do a switcheroo with the U.S. gold, held at Fort Knox, for his worthless crypto trash...

Paper Roses

(7,564 posts)
36. I thought the same thing. Where does the 24K gold trump brags about come from?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:32 AM
2 hrs ago

All the ugly bling now in the White House came from somewhere? If it is real, then questions come to mind.
If it is fake gold paint...well, we still paid for that ugly re-decoration.
Can I tell you how much I despise this man and his cabinet?

angrychair

(11,214 posts)
20. Who cares about Eisenhower
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:29 AM
3 hrs ago

That guy was a serious piece of shit. He is literally a key reason we have our of control religious extremism in this country. Screw that guy, that sword and Mango Mussolini. Don't give a damn about any of them.

25. What
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:42 AM
3 hrs ago

Are you confusing Ike who warned us about the military industrial complex and Reagan who let the nose of the Xtian extremist camel under the tent?

angrychair

(11,214 posts)
42. 100%
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:53 AM
2 hrs ago

How do you think we ended up with "in god we trust" as our national motto and on our money and the pledge of allegiance? He also gave religious conservatives a seat at the table.
Eisenhower opened the door to religious extremism and forever muddied the waters of the separation of church and state.

GiqueCee

(2,864 posts)
46. Correlation is not causation...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:16 PM
1 hr ago

... and the argument is older than Ike himself; it goes back to the Civil War and beyond.
I am a Liberal down to my DNA, and a devout atheist, but I can see no justification for blaming Eisenhower, the last half way decent Republican ever born, for the groundswell of public outrage, as grotesquely misguided as it was, that forced Congress to mandate printing the phrase on US currency, and for the president signing it. It was an expedient solution to a tempest in a teapot generated by religious zealots who have always had their bloodstained fingers in matters of state where they did not belong. The President had far more important issues to address, and if giving these religious fanatics a bone would shut them up, it was deemed a minor sacrifice at the time, I'm sure.

angrychair

(11,214 posts)
48. That is a lot of assumptions
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:25 PM
1 hr ago

And not supported by the facts.

In February 1954, Eisenhower attended a sermon by Reverend George Docherty at the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington, D.C. that greatly influenced his ideas on the subject.“To omit the words ‘under God’ in the Pledge of Allegiance is to omit the definitive factor in the American way of life,” Docherty preached. He discounted the right of atheists to object, arguing that an “atheistic American is a contradiction in terms,” because if “you deny the Christian ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life.”

With Eisenhower on board, the campaign to adopt the phrase had more momentum. On June 14, Flag Day, (1954) Eisenhower signed a law adding “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance.


It was not a concession nor was he pressured to do it. He actively supported the new law based on a sermon that clearly discounted the feelings of non-believers and knowingly violated the Constitution's establishment clause.

All Republicans are pieces of shit.

Reference: https://www.history.com/articles/pledge-allegiance-under-god-schools

angrychair

(11,214 posts)
43. This is not a secret or obscure
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:55 AM
2 hrs ago

How do you think we ended up with "in god we trust" as our national motto and on our money or including "god" in the pledge of allegiance? He also gave religious conservatives a seat at the table. It's all very well documented.
Eisenhower opened the door to religious extremism and forever muddied the waters of the separation of church and state.

niyad

(127,664 posts)
44. Then kindly cite the documentation. Simply saying that it exists does
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:02 PM
2 hrs ago

not count. It us not our job to do yours.

angrychair

(11,214 posts)
47. Not sure what you mean
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:18 PM
1 hr ago

Pull a dollar out and look at it. It says "in god we trust" . It's there because of him (1956). It's our national motto. He did that (1956, replacing the more inclusive and unifying"E pluribus unum" "from many, one). The phrase "under god" was also added to the Pledge by him (1954). There are literally dozens of websites you can look that up. It should be common knowledge. It's literally US history.
It was said to be in reaction to the "red scare" and the godless Communists. What it really was is the adoption of religious extremism and a clear violation of the Constitution's establishment clause.

45. It goes back as far as the Civil War
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:15 PM
1 hr ago

Secretary of the Treasury Chase mandated on US coins in 1861. The law mandating it on paper currency was passed in 1956 by Congress and signed by Ike. Much of the push was to differentiate the US from the "godless" Soviets. Ike was no Xtian Nationalist.

angrychair

(11,214 posts)
49. Yes he was
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:34 PM
1 hr ago

He actively supported adding "in god we trust" as our motto. On our money. In the Pledge. Without his support it would not have happened.
He was not the first religious extremist. Just the first one to be president.
By way of example on that Pledge:


In February 1954, Eisenhower attended a sermon by Reverend George Docherty at the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington, D.C. that greatly influenced his ideas on the subject.
“To omit the words ‘under God’ in the Pledge of Allegiance is to omit the definitive factor in the American way of life,” Docherty preached. He discounted the right of atheists to object, arguing that an “atheistic American is a contradiction in terms,” because if “you deny the Christian ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life.”

With Eisenhower on board, the campaign to adopt the phrase had more momentum. On June 14, Flag Day, Eisenhower signed a law adding “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance.


The argument here is that only religion that matters is Christianity and that to be an atheist is to not be a real American. That is the argument that convinced him.
All Republicans are assholes.

Reference: https://www.history.com/articles/pledge-allegiance-under-god-schools


Champp

(2,223 posts)
21. So now the Republicans are shitting on their very own former hero, Eisenhower
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:32 AM
3 hrs ago

I guess he's just a RINO now.

Republicans will probably destroy his imagein the white house now, like they did to Pres. Biden.

twisted

Rebl2

(17,047 posts)
28. Wish the
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:46 AM
3 hrs ago

director of the Eisenhower library hadn’t quit. Of course right now, it’s probably closed because of the government shutdown. I am in MO and the Truman library is closed. Are all presidential libraries government funded in some way?

TexasTowelie

(123,348 posts)
30. The George H. W. Bush library in College Station is partially open.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:05 AM
3 hrs ago

The museum portion remains open while the research room and administrative offices of the library are closed. The ongoing operations are funded by the National Archives and Records Administration. Private donations were accepted for the construction of the library and initiatives such as scholarships.

mn9driver

(4,784 posts)
31. Infantile behavior.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:07 AM
2 hrs ago

It seems likely that Charles III quickly had the replica sword deposited in a storage room, never to be seen or spoken of again.

flashman13

(1,560 posts)
33. Krasnov is the ultimate POS!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:19 AM
2 hrs ago

Only a POS would try to steal the legacy of one of America's greatest military leaders and president.

I'm just guessing, but given that King Charles is not only king but a member of the British military who is steeped in world and military history, he would have refused to accept the actual Eisenhower sword. I believe King Charles to be a man of honor.

Ms. Toad

(37,766 posts)
50. Steal? Do you think presidents take things they own personally to give, as a diplomatic gift, to foreign dignitaries?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:16 PM
51 min ago

There a long history of giving gifts to English royals (and other foreign dignitary) - some new; some historical.

https://archive.li/OTtbS
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2011/5/24/18605291/obama-michelle-and-british-royals-swap-gifts-details-here

There is a protocol for gift giving (no idea whether it was followed), and It was entirely appropriate for the museum director to say "no." But valuable American historical items have been given to foreign dignitaries in the past.

The archivist was perfectly within their rights to refuse to allow this particular artifact as a gift. But using an American artifact as a gift to a foreign dignitary is hardly "trying to steal"

gab13by13

(29,925 posts)
54. What would you call it?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:30 PM
37 min ago

Krasnov told the head of the Library to give him Ike's sword or quit or be fired. You claim the head of the Library did the right thing because he wasn't allowed to give the sword away when in fact he was only doing his job.

Krasnov had zero rights to that sword so I sure do call that trying to steal it with the head of the Library being an accomplice. Sorry but I think my using the word steal was too mild.

Irish_Dem

(75,668 posts)
51. Trump giving away priceless objects STOLEN from the American people.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:21 PM
45 min ago

I wonder how many he has stolen for himself?

gab13by13

(29,925 posts)
57. I think of what Rummy said
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:56 PM
11 min ago

"There are things we know."
"There are things we don't know."
"there are things we don't know we don't know."

Wonder who had Epstein killed?

A handful of billionaires want it all.

Krasnov wants to crash the dollar and boost Crypto where a handful of oligarchs can live in their own little communes.

The stock market is booming because the money is being transferred from the poor to the people who own the stock.

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