Every lie. Every absurdity. Every exaggeration. Every provocation all of it.

He can’t help it. He’s garbage.

They chose garbage.

Although, I believe, him being a narcissistic sociopath, he would fight to the death to get into the Oval Office, he would not be anywhere unless he had under his small, little girl thumb, the minions of fucked up, fake patriotic, fake Christian voters to get him there. I remember Bill Maher saying not to blame the voters, because they were misinformed and misled. Well, fuck Maher too. I despise every trump supporter, family member and member of his inner circle. I will not communicate with any of my family that voted for him, or my neighbors who told me, Harris was too over the top. 2026 WILL BE the beginning of the end of this MAGA BULLSHIT NIGHTMARE. I think this country has had enough of the trump family, and will be in line on Election Day, with their bottles of water, candy bars, and excitement of at least getting some major turnout and congressional turnover…..TRUMP VOTER ARE TRAITORS.

I don’t even know what to say. That is so ludicrous. Look who we have now! If that isn't over the top, then nothing is.

Stupid people.

Again I totally agree. My take for “Over the Top” is lingo for “she’s black and a woman” Never let anyone tell you racism and misogyny are the thing of the past….. they are alive.

There are far more deplorables than even Hillary imagined. MAGAs are both racists and misogynists.

Add “she’s a Democrat” and you get a clear picture of the problem we have to keep fighting, in three strikes. Democrats have been tarnished, rather relentlessly, in the media and ESPECIALLY in the so-called “right-wing” media (which is anything but right in their deliberate and very carefully-crafted slant).

And it BURNS me up, DAMMIT!!!

The voters are most definitely the ones to blame.

Edited to say "THREE times" as my fellow DU'er (below) has graciously corrected my fuzzy, Saturday morning thinking!!! Where's my coffee???!!!

Sorry, my thinking is off this morning. Yes, absolutely THREE times for most of the idiots.

for months now. He's a repuke evangelist. Every time I see him I say:
Your president is a criminal or your president is a pedophile, etc.
I guess voting for a Black Woman is a bridge too far for some.
Some people love to hate,

They can all go fuck themselves, even the ones I was very fond of.

Especially the uber wealthy ones!

We're not picking on them enough.

Maybe after they come here and see how things are, they probably catch on that they are hated by the Repukes and Maga-cult.

Immigrants finally figure out that they have no chance of finding a better life if the Magas stay in charge. That's when they become "liberals" ... or else they get deported and realize that none of it mattered anyway.

But it's the Maga-cult that are driving this, they can stop this behavior at any time.

We can't underestimate how grossly uninformed they are, how lost in a bubble created by professional propagandists who use them as pawns, how their education (or lack there-of) has not prepared them for critical thinking, how desperate and beaten down some of them are (think, Ashley Babbit, post WWI Germany).

I'm mad too and I want to shake my Trumper friends who don't get it.
But some of these people are folks the Democrats used to take better care of.

And of course, there are those jerks who knew what they were voting for and actually wanted this. Even they don't yet understand the repercussions of the deal they just made with the devil.

I used to blame the propaganda. I now believe that people choose to consume propaganda.

I agree that this country left the non-wealthy behind. That's happened over decades and it was driven by Republicans and their voters.

I'm tired of hearing excuses from them. They vote for greed and selfishness.

People are after all responsible for their actions. But most people will not abandon their paradigm for new information, across all of society. That's why budging anyone into rational behavior is so hard.
As for greed: that is the story with the MAGA wealthy, and I have no excuses for them. They are in a position to be informed, can afford to care a bit about the common good, and ought to know that would be in their interests too. The uber-rich are mentally ill as far as I'm concerned with no moral compass and way too much power.
I can't accuse the working class of greed in a time when the economy just gets worse and worse for them. When people are financially stressed they choose whoever they think will help and they have tended to get it wrong throughout much of our democratic history. Like the Robber Barons putting up McKinley and tricking the masses into voting for him.

Blue collar people used to vote for Democrats. West Virginia was a deep blue state, a reliable elector of Democrats.

What happened? People aren't poorer now than they were in the 1960s. I remember the poverty and deprivations. Yes, things are bad now for a lot of people but they're arguably better than they were 50 years ago. Better healthcare, for instance - which people have turned their backs on.

I don't know the answer.

There are a lot of people who start going MAGA after they leave hardship. There's a line from one of Laz's favorite song about neuro-divergancy and struggling to fit in.
"If I hadn't seen such riches, I could live with being poor"
You talk to a MAGA, and even when you bring out the teachings of their supposed Religious Mascot, it always comes up that they're terrified of having to give up any of their stuff, any of their comfortable lifestyle - to people they don't know and might be undeserving.
Doesn't matter if their parent came over and only got citizenship via Reagan's Amnesty. Doesn't matter if they used Johnson's Great Society programs, or the most successful Socialist Meritocracy organization in the World to advance into Middle Class (the US. Military)....
They got theirs, they won't give up a dollar to help anyone else if it might cause any inconvenience to them or the friends they aspire to hang out with.
On edit - even my SIL, who is one of those "sweet as pie" Small Town Christians who fancy themselves to not be racist because they have black friends an co-workers - and works for a Disability program...decided not to vote this time at all instead of vote for Harris, because the Democrats would increase her household taxes to unsupportable and force States to allow undeserving people to get State taxpayer money or resources (Free food, housing, phones, utilities, and addiction services) to support their bad habits even if they break the Law under some sort of "Equal Rights" concept that just spoils them.

She actually believes (and is afraid) that Democrats will eventually force her household to give some of their property to the State to pay for homeless, druggies/mentally unstable, or otherwise "not American" poor foreigners to take over the US workforce and culture - making life harder for her, while making life easier for them.

I had a friend? who surprising was very angry with me.
My husband, who works for the government had to go to DC for a meeting.
I decided to go to DC with him.
She was furious at me because she thought I was getting a free ride.
She calmed down when I told her I was paying for my flight,
meals & share of the room.
She was upper middle-class and an R.
First of all, I was shocked that she would question me.

All but gone, along with the democrats.

The one thing in your post I take issue with is that Democrats used to take better care of these folks. Obama signed the Affordable Care Act, and Joe Biden accomplished a lot before R's took back the House.

To be sure, the common folk have still been handed the short end of the stick -- to a large extent because Republicans consistently obstruct efforts to achieve a more equitable share of the tremendous wealth which could not be generated without the labor of so many struggling paycheck to paycheck.

And yet these same folks keep electing Republicans, voting against their own interests. Did they intentionally vote to pay more for insurance or lose their healthcare coverage altogether? Did they want Project 2025, or did they believe Trump when he said he had nothing to do with it?

Is it because they're filled with fear and hate for undocumented immigrants, non whites, non heteros, liberals, atheists?

To some extent, that is certainly true. And they are adults responsible for their own actions. It's easy to blame them for what is now hitting all of us.

But hate and blame will not help defeat the fascist cabal destroying our Constituutional democracy. We should not expect to convert die hard Trump cultists, but it makes no sense to deliberately alienate folks who were fooled into voting against their own interests.

We need swing voters in swing states to swing back the other way.

The GOP has gotten in the way of many of the initiatives the Democrats tried to institute. Think SCOTUS.

they voted for a hate-fueled vengeful psychopath because voting for a woman/a black woman was unconscionable...they voted for an amoral megalomaniac because he and they shared a visceral hatred for "the other"..you know brown/black immigrants who were supposedly "taking their jobs/raping their daughters/doping their sons".....they voted for a narcissistic psychopath because he promised to "own the libs"...(can you guess who got owned??)

so now the Trump voting generational farmers/ranchers are going bust and begging for relief because of Trump's boomerang tariffs..fruits and vegetable are rotting in their fields because seasonal workers are themselves rotting in detention centers...middle/low income Trump voters who actually believed a pathological liar when he said Medicaid/Medicare was off the table and are now facing astronomical healthcare/prescription drug costs...

so when Trump voters whine "we didn't vote for this"...they absolutely did..they deserve all of Trump's toxic insanity..and you can bet given what they know now, if allowed to recast their votes they would "pull the lever" for the loathsome sewer slug because voting for a woman/a black woman is unconscionable..

And I'm uninterested in them saying "I didn't vote for this." They did.

They knew PRECISELY what they were voting for - they just didn't think it would be done to them too.

Evil.little fuckers.

They think the current leadership will be there forever doing what it promised.
Which is never true.
They vote to give up their right to vote and imagine they have fixed things forever.
No room anymore to make adjustments if they didn't get it right.

and every vote for Harris that was suppressed or discouraged actually BENEFITED TRUMP as well.

There are two well known politicians who promoted that BS. It was an unforgivable betrayal. I blame them and their followers/adherents just as much as I blame actual Trump voters.

I don't care if someone identifies as Democrat or not, or if they are pissed at Democrats for one or more things - I can relate.

Trumpism is a CANCER. It is EVIL.

Our elections system, very unfortunately, FORCES A BINARY CHOICE.

In my early 20's I was also uninformed and didn't get that. But the relatively small contingent of newer voters should not be enough to sway an election to the EVIL choice.

We apparently need to remind voters repeatedly that our presidential election is a BINARY CHOICE. You vote for "least evil", or by default you have voted for "most evil".

And please note, I don't subscribe to "least evil = still evil". If we had an election between Jane Goodall (rest in power) and Charlie Kirk (rest in putrefaction), would these self-absorbed whiners really sit it out? If they know who these people are? Even if they thought Goodall was somehow "exploiting" the animals she studied, or came up with some other reason she wasn't perfect? GMAFB, no one is perfect. "Least evil" can be phenomenally GOOD. People need to grow up.

Trump voters were scammed and conned and continue to be conned.

You dont rescue people from a cult by attacking them. That just reinforces their insane beliefs. You do it by extending your love to them and giving them a viable and clearly better alternative.

They ignored it.

Tell black folks about that nonsense. We have tried for 300 years and no matter what they go back to their hate.

And who they voted for.

Half of tRump's voters are out and proud, the other half try to hide their vote because they know they supported someone evil and it's socially unacceptable.

I put it like this: I think about how I'd handle things if someone confronted me about something Biden allegedly did. First, if I had not heard of that particular action, I'd verify the claim through a credible source. Then, if it's true, I would either explain why the action was necessary, or, if I didn't support the action, I would agree with the opinion that it was not a good move.

It's the complete opposite when it comes to tRump voters. If you confront them with the truth, they play all sorts of games: The closeted half gets to escape accountability entirely. The half that is willing to admit they voted for trump will lie, deny, deflect, gaslight or play ignorant--never taking responsibility.

I've been thinking about this topic more now that I'm working with more trumpets. One lady had the nerve to bring up supporting tRump and said he's cleaning up this country. I felt like she was intentionally trying to trigger me. Why would you bring up tRump in a professional setting? So I simply said, trump should release the epstein files. Her response was to start naming all these people who are supposedly in the epstein files - she named Beyonce, and a number of other black celebrities. 🙄 I said, I don't give a damn who's in the files, just release them so that all of them can be held accountable. Whoever they may be. She said something to the effect of all politicians and Hollywood actors are pedophiles. Huh?

It was a weird and disturbing argument she was making. But it's clarifying. Just say that you don't give a fuck that trump's a pedophile rapist who is openly obstructing justice for the victims. Don't spout bullshit about everyone else doing the same thing because that's not true. If it were true, then they should be held accountable too, whether I'm a fan of theirs or not. It's that simple.

Another trumper, an immigrant himself, had the nerve to say that trump is only going after and deporting violent criminals. Despite being a major eLoon fanboy, this is a smart guy who is aware of a lot of breaking news. How is it that he's well informed about all these other topics but he conveniently doesn't know about troops being deployed on American streets? He also claims to not know about the scandal where tRump tried to steal votes in Georgia. And we live in Georgia! GMAFB!

If you listen closely to trumpers, resentment always starts to spill out in conversation. They start slowly slipping in "innocent" comments about different groups of people - the Indians, the Arabs, the Mexicans, etc. I'm black, so they won't mention "the blacks" when talking to me. 🙄 They know how to adjust their talking points for the room they're in.

Even non-white trump supporters have the same type of grievances and in conversation you'll notice that they frequently stereotype people by race and country of origin. It's a major part of their ideology.

So, no, I don't believe these are people who are innocent victims of a conman. These are people who are full of resentment, envy, and anger towards their fellow Americans and immigrants. They enjoy the suffering that we're all witnessing. As long as it's not them, they're fine with it.

As far as the best way to get them out of the cult? I'm not sure. The only thing that works with these people is when they are personally under attack. That's when they see the light.

You don't invite Brownshirts and Gestapo to Sunday dinner in hopes our cheeriness can turn their souls, that just reinforces thier belief they need never ask persmission as they take what they want.

They voted to hurt people who did nothing to them, to deport people who broke no laws, to kill people who won't be able to see a doctor or get to a hospital.

They did it after four full-frontal years of Orange Asshole fucking up absolutely everything, killing more than a million people through his ineptitude and laziness and lies, and then trying to overthrow the government when he lost fair and square

Why? Because voting that way Made. Them. Feel. Good - and they never once had to think or learn.

Fuck them. All of them. Now and forever.

It is freaking intense, like 2 seasons of Ozark intensity crammed into a one season limited series. Jason directed a lot of the episodes, and I'm hear to tell ya, if you liked Ozark, you should like this one as well (conversely if Ozark was decided NOT your bag, this won't be either, unless your issue with Ozark was that it was too slow. This one is not, IMHO ... though some people do complain it's too slow, they did the same with Ozark. I don't mind the slower, world-building episodes of either show, and I thought this has less of that).

Even if there really isn't a Ruth-like character to feel sympathetic towards, and the one romantic relationship that develops in the show doesn't really ring sincere or have much chemistry, it's forgivable because everything else about it is really well-done. Jason and Jude Law both put on acting clinics, they're so good in it. All the acting is good in fact.

We just got done with Ep 6 which was a freaking CRAZY episode, there's 2 more still. Looking forward to seeing how they wrap it up

The vibe/formula is very similar even if the settings are entirely different. Come to think of it there IS something of a Ruth-like character in the form of Vince's (Bateman) daughter, but the actress doesn't burst off the screen like Julia Garner did, and she's not as integral in the storyline as Ruth.

Now you've convinced me. Thanks.

I will start watching it because of your recommendation.

I posted in a couple weeks ago about Orphan Black which recently (finally) landed on Netflix (and I LOVE that show going back to its original run) and I've since noticed that forum is pretty slow lol.

who think choosing to not participate or pay attention to politics makes them smarter than everyone else because it doesn't matter which party is in power.

This time was very, very different and the warning signs were there for all to see (Project 2025--they wrote it down).

The differences are so starkly obvious, but his "all politicians are bad" philosophy was unshakable.
It's idiotic, but he couldn't be convinced a micron toward the obvious.

because they are stupid fucking MAGATs.....

start calling THEMSELVES out, for believing all his LIES!


AND, of course, with his tariffs, he made the situation much WORSE.........

What’s it gonna be.

His endorsement of Trump. Shove in his face and laugh at him for talking about Hunter Bidens laptop instead Jan 6th, kids on cages, devaluation of the dollar, being a dictator, fraud, rape, Epstein, deportation . . . Shove it in his face and make him own it. Fuck Joe Rogan.

As far as I'm concerned, they hate America. They must hate it, to want to bring this much harm to our country.

If they hate America so much, maybe they should go live somewhere else.

And then if you show them a link, they act like the link may not be a credible source. I'm talking links from AP, reuters, the guardian, BBC, etc.

Like are you effing kidding me?

Dump has trained his assholes really well.

If you don't know what the fuck is going on around you then you have no business voting!

In it, I was creating a list of Trump public lies just in the last week alone (at the time) and one of them was something very close to this:

LOL he didn't say kids were being forced by the school, OR kidnapped, see I knew you were the liar

and not worth one gram of our sympathy. They've proved themselves unworthy to be called human much less American. And every misfortune that befalls them brings joy to my heart. Sorry if that's awfully harsh, but they've gone too far beyond the pale. They deserve every horror they get.

Thank you for the post...

I adore Jason Bateman. He's my "celebrity crush." I agree with him 100%.

The people I know who are his followers are either: Racist at their core, Evangelical Christians, or (Per LBJ): “If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

Fuck Donald Trump, fuck his shitty administration. Fuck the people who voted for this shit.

Is there an actual quote attributed to him? A legitimate source?

I’m seeing way too many of these “quotes” attributed to various celebrities recently.

The actor didn’t waste any time in hitting out at Trump and the voters, who he said are making a conscious effort to hide themselves from the truth of what is going on in the world: “There is no attempt to hide that from the Republican voters”, he said. “It’s ubiquitous. It is. You have to go, you have to make a real effort to stay insulated from the facts.”

“They are, by choice, keeping themselves insulated from those facts”, he added. “Or, when they do hear them, they use their intelligence to discount it and somehow feel more intelligent.”
By this point, there was no way Wallace was interrupting Bateman: “They imagine there’s actually a conspiracy, and that there’s a deep state, and that somehow that’s a more complicated thought—and so that makes them feel smarter.
“It’s not like there’s some big effort to dupe America into thinking that Donald Trump is a bad guy, you know?”

https://en.as.com/entertainment/black-rabbit-actor-jason-bateman-on-trump-voters-they-are-by-choice-keeping-themselves-insulated-from-the-facts-n/


Here’s the whole transcript of the podcast with Nicole Wallace.
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/the-best-people-with-nicolle-wallace/jason-bateman-cant-look-away-rcna210789

They are religiously insane. They trust God. Those who do not believe are going to be damned and go to hell. They just get that sick smile on their face.