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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: ICE to Monitor Americans' Social Media
https://share.newsbreak.com/fnzzioox"The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has signed a $5.7 million contract with Zignal Labs, an artificial-intelligence firm whose platform can scan and analyze billions of social-media posts each day.
Zignal Labs markets its system as capable of monitoring over 8 billion posts per day, in more than 100 languages, using machine learning, computer vision, and optical-character recognition to detect faces, text, locations, and patterns across platforms. The company also advertises curated detection feeds that can map relationships between users, identify emblems and symbols in images, and track how narratives spread online.
The contract was routed through Carahsoft Technology Corporation, a federal IT reseller that allows agencies to obtain surveillance software with limited public bidding or debate. Reporting from Jacobin, Wired, and The Washington Post confirms that ICE plans to operate a 24/7 social-media monitoring center, connecting Zignals data to its existing network of phone-location tools, facial-recognition systems, and biometric databases.
This scale of automated monitoring risks creating a mass digital dragnet. The platforms reach far exceeds previous government tools, allowing ICE to monitor not only immigrants under investigation but potentially anyone discussing politics, protests, or immigration online.
A federal agent stands outdoors wearing a green and tan baseball cap, dark sunglasses, a gray neck gaiter covering his mouth and nose, black tactical vest labeled POLICE and FEDERAL AGENT, black shirt, and black pants with gear including a radio and pouch.
While ICE claims the program focuses on publicly available information, there is no published policy outlining limits, data-retention periods, or human-review safeguards. The agency has declined to disclose how the flagged data will be used in enforcement actions or shared with other departments.
This development represents a significant expansion of domestic surveillance capabilities inside the United States. With no clear oversight, it blurs the line between law-enforcement intelligence and mass social-media monitoring of ordinary Americans."
Blue Owl
(57,752 posts)Hope22
(4,264 posts)Who is setting the rules?
reACTIONary
(6,777 posts).... Social media is bad, except my social media.
misanthrope
(9,261 posts)"Nothing to worry about, Dr. Frankenstein."
UpInArms
(53,595 posts)I hate ai
RandySF
(78,925 posts)Enjoy
Zackzzzz
(183 posts)It's constant on TV.
lostincalifornia
(4,779 posts)CentralMass
(16,635 posts)erronis
(21,754 posts)And special scrutiny will be given to known left-leaning sites and to posts and posters who use terms considered "interesting".
CrispyQ
(40,371 posts)Cuz millions of us are guilty of that.
Volaris
(11,194 posts)Fuck you Kristi, IM RIGHT HERE.
Give Peace A Chance
(133 posts)The internet is the TV hat watches you.
Be careful out there.
IronLionZion
(50,200 posts)reACTIONary
(6,777 posts)nocoincidences
(2,433 posts)Is our participation here a form of "Social Media"?
It's the only social media I do!
EarlG
(23,224 posts)I'm not going to sugarcoat the appalling nature of what ICE is doing, but I will say that it is probably much less likely that they can scrape useful information from an old-school site like DU, where people are not required to give their real names, and can use a throwaway email address to create an account (and in any event, email addresses used to register an account on DU are never made public).
While there is a space in your DU profile to include information about yourself if you want, we've never encouraged people to provide anything that they don't feel comfortable sharing -- unlike the major social media services which basically beg you to give them as much information about yourself as they can possibly get a hold of. So the kind of massive information dragnet they're talking about in the OP is probably focused more on services like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc. where it is incredibly easy to collect all kinds of demographic information and stitch it together to create profiles on people.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,945 posts)They would subpoena you for star members identities?
EarlG
(23,224 posts)If we received some kind of "dragnet subpoena" where the government simply demanded that we hand over everyone's personal information, my first move would be to get in touch with the ACLU, EFF, Public Citizen, and/or anyone else who might be willing to provide legal assistance to a private organization that is being illegally threatened by the government. At the end of the day though, scraping social media services is far easier and more efficient than going after sites like DU. I don't use social media personally, but if I did, I'd be more concerned about that than about posting on DU.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,945 posts)RazorbackExpat
(714 posts)dickthegrouch
(4,140 posts)Full text of the fourth amendment is
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not an attorney but I read the highlighted part as needing to describe each of the things (userIDs) to be described (accurately) in any such subpoena. Since fishing expeditions have hitherto been discouraged, I think that would be difficult. A blanket "give us all your user names" would be too general and unenforceable IMHO.
duhneece
(4,425 posts)hes now unable to run for any political office in the Country
Hugin
(37,028 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 28, 2025, 07:20 PM - Edit history (1)
Considering the volume of traffic they are claiming to be able to process. Its mostly a scam.
The danger here is that something will be manufactured using AI to incriminate someone that they have already decided to arrest after the fact. Like the photos of the non-existing tattoos on peoples fingers.
A digital throw-down and considering the people involved, its not much of a stretch.
hadEnuf
(3,445 posts)multiply that by 10 and expect them to do it. These monsters want it all. They have never had this much power and they are going insane with it.
Hugin
(37,028 posts)They will do anything that they are allowed to do.
Attilatheblond
(7,600 posts)Snarkoleptic
(6,196 posts)If I want to watch youtube, I'll "move" to Mexico or Canada, which makes it easier for my ad blocking add-ons to work without any pushback.
I chose Express VPN as their servers are just pass-throughs w/ no RAM or other storage to hold onto data.
Attilatheblond
(7,600 posts)orangecrush
(27,202 posts)Is probably more like what they'd be after
Makes no difference to me personally.
I survived Bush, I'll survive this bumbling assclown.
underpants
(193,626 posts)Thatll throw them off my trail.
❤️ Earl.
erronis
(21,754 posts)Don't think that a NextDoor or Amazon or Etsy or anything else is immune.
I'm sure all the major email providers (google, apple, etc.) are also fed into the maul of one of these data harvesters.
calimary
(88,295 posts)This, and email and messaging from offspring, friends, and relatives.
leftstreet
(37,800 posts)Fuck off ICE
DoBW
(2,897 posts)found online a while back
I saw an infographic a couple years ago about how to remove source identifiers from links and why it's important, but I can't find it again and too many people I know are sending me links with them so here's an infographic straight from the oven
— Camp (@campfireharve.st) 2025-07-11T22:22:04.802Z
yellow dahlia
(3,719 posts)erronis
(21,754 posts)It is good to remove these extra identifiers but many times they are also necessary to make the target site work.
More nefariously are some new "data-" add-ons in the HTML that don't show up when hovering over links.
Also, don't rely on "Incognito" mode in your browser. It does nothing to help with privacy in these situations. If you care, use a Tor browser or some other 99% anonymizing browsers/systems/networks. It's tough!
littlemissmartypants
(30,670 posts)Tracking information as some don't speak programming. But it is technically accurate to use the source identifiers term, query string. It's confusing. But it's also expeditiously communicative.
It may be time for our own form of coded language. And I'm not talking about computer code.
Captain Zero
(8,578 posts)When forwarding links.
Celerity
(52,743 posts)and try to explain.
yellow dahlia
(3,719 posts)CentralMass
(16,635 posts)yellow dahlia
(3,719 posts)littlemissmartypants
(30,670 posts)yellow dahlia
(3,719 posts)littlemissmartypants
(30,670 posts)reACTIONary
(6,777 posts)'publicly available information'". Anyone can look at publicly available information, including LEO. If the information is public, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.
So the constitution probably will not protect you. However, regular old laws, like the telecommunications act, can provide extra protection above and beyond constitutional protections. So there may be a law somewhere that this violates. And such a law could be enacted in the future.
yellow dahlia
(3,719 posts)If they use this information to "go after" people, won't this violate the Fourth Amendment? Unfair search and seizure, or some such thing?
reACTIONary
(6,777 posts)... there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. If you make information publicly available, you no longer have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Furthermore, the information does not have to be fully publicly disclosed. If you provide information to a friend or a business associate, and LEO asks them for it, they can turn it over. You have lost control.
This is why there are laws, like HIPA and the telecommunications act, that define privacy rights above and beyond what is provided by the constitution. Those laws can create a reasonable expectation of privacy for certain third party disclosures, like health information, or your telephone conversations.
yellow dahlia
(3,719 posts)I couldn't have imagined that the dystopian literature and film I used to enjoy wouldn't remain fiction.
republianmushroom
(21,812 posts)cmmngrnd
(24 posts)Build bots. Lots-n-lots-a-bots all chattering anti-Trump messages all day long. Let ICE chase ghosts.
And then more bots, but these all pose as MAGA with anti-Trump messages. Teach the AI to associate with MAGA with anti-Trump sentiment. Let ICE chase their own tails.
And what can real people do? Add messages at the ends of your real messages associating MAGA with anti-Trump sentiment. Teach that AI that MAGA is Trump's biggest threat. Heck, teach AI that ICE is a threat to Trump. Teach AI that Vance is plotting to overthrow the government. The varieties are numerous.
This is known as poisoning the data set. AI is only as good as it's data. If they're going to skim social media for data, give them something to skew the results. It's similar to when states set up hotlines to report some outrage du jour, and the hotlines get overwhelmed with fake calls.
Note: I'm not a bot creator, but people who have the expertise and capability to field large bot armies are probably aware of what they can do. Hopefully.
pat_k
(12,175 posts)Rachel Maddow explains that while much of Donald Trump's abuse of power is typical of authoritarians, Trump has a new tool that no authoritarian before him has had: extremely advanced spyware, including predator and pegasus. Trump is already deploying this new weapon through ICE, which intends to use this surveillance technology against immigrants but also against Americans who protest against ICE, and anyone they might snare with an extremely loose definition of "anti-fascist."
AI Summary
Developers: Predator is sold by the Intellexa alliance, a complex network of companies that includes Cytrox, based in North Macedonia.
Capabilities: The software is highly invasive, with advanced obfuscation capabilities designed to evade detection. It can infiltrate devices, extract sensitive data, and even activate microphones and cameras without the user's knowledge.
Notable incidents:
Greek surveillance scandal: Predator was at the center of a scandal involving the wiretapping of journalists and opposition politicians in Greece in 2022.
Targeting US officials: U.S. government officials, including members of Congress, have been targeted with Predator spyware by foreign entities.
U.S. sanctions: In 2024, the U.S. government imposed sanctions on the Intellexa consortium and its leadership due to the threat their technology poses to national security.
Pegasus spyware and the NSO Group
Developers: Pegasus was created by the NSO Group, a private company headquartered in Israel.
Capabilities: It is capable of secretly infecting phones and extracting private information, including emails, texts, and photos, often without any sign of intrusion.
Notable incidents:
Global abuse: The software has been used by governments around the world to spy on human rights defenders, journalists, and political opponents.
Double infection: In a particularly notable case, the phone of an Egyptian dissident was found to be simultaneously infected with both the Pegasus and Predator spyware.
European Parliament investigation: The European Parliament launched a committee of inquiry to investigate the use of Pegasus and similar spyware.
liberalgunwilltravel
(972 posts)Would be the best thing that has happened in a long time.
Attilatheblond
(7,600 posts)Baitball Blogger
(51,306 posts)Irish_Dem
(76,931 posts)Baitball Blogger
(51,306 posts)It will be a slow process, the first people they go after will get bloodied with the inconvenience, but in the end, this one is too egregious because he's going to target his political opponents.
Irish_Dem
(76,931 posts)Baitball Blogger
(51,306 posts)are fabricated. They are quickly losing credibility.
Irish_Dem
(76,931 posts)Baitball Blogger
(51,306 posts)They can take the ice agents out financially, one by one. But first, they courts will have to establish that it is illegal.
Irish_Dem
(76,931 posts)Baitball Blogger
(51,306 posts)But, if it becomes standard to sue and win, we might burn them out.
Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #24)
Baitball Blogger This message was self-deleted by its author.
Oneironaut
(6,140 posts)Soon, immigration enforcement is going to be a small part of their job, compared to acting as government-funded thugs attacking dissidents.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(11,879 posts)BidenRocks
(2,453 posts)The line "Can't stop the signal, Mal" is from the movie Serenity, a sequel to the show Firefly. In the film, the character Mr. Universe says this line to Captain Malcolm Reynolds, which refers to his ability to bypass the Alliance's interference to transmit a signal that reveals a horrific truth.
Ilsa
(63,541 posts)these m'fuckers.
Rachel talked about the new surveillance last night. They can hack cellphones, listen, download your data, contacts, pictures, etc, and your phone's security scans would never know.
Trump is turning us into a surveillance state. They have flown drones at No Kings protests, etc. I guess everyone on DU within the US is on an enemies list.
azureblue
(2,591 posts)Trump is making a private army out of this bunch of yoyos?
Could be..
Cha
(315,357 posts)taxi
(2,621 posts)trying to hide or disguise yourself. Hiding in plain sight draws less attention than running like a rabbit from bush to bush. (my own 2 cents)
IcyPeas
(24,514 posts)Who remembers the definition of "santorum".
maxrandb
(16,954 posts)Wonder if I can make it "tilt" like a pinball machine when you post the highest score.
Who's with me?
These thumbs were made for posting...and that's just what they'll do. One of these days these thumbs are gonna post all over ICE.
Initech
(106,712 posts)Cheezoholic
(3,416 posts)CanonRay
(15,726 posts)orangecrush
(27,202 posts)Oh no!
I hope they don't see that!
Johnny2X2X
(23,533 posts)Wait until your social security benefits stop arriving because of something you posted on Facebook.
rzemanfl
(30,995 posts)Nazis.
bluedigger
(17,340 posts)Keywords achieved.
markodochartaigh
(4,517 posts)under surveillance on a granular level is mistaken. Of course a big difference is the type of sociopaths doing the surveillance under the current regime.
https://www.wired.com/2012/03/ff-nsadatacenter/
swong19104
(547 posts)they're just going to access little girls' (and little boys') Facebook or TikTok or Instagram or whatever, checking for sexy poses and then contacting them for a "meet and greet".
Yeah, they don't have the intelligence to do a massive sweeping culling of people and their data. But, boy, do they love to see little Lolitas and Niños.
If local police were to set up some sting operation. 90% of the suspects will be ICE. The other 10% will be distributed among Republican politicians, pastors, religious camp counselors, and private high school gym teachers.
2naSalit
(98,423 posts)We have Big Brother monitoring our lives; we have double-speak all over the place; innocent people hunted down and disappeared...
And that's just for starters.
SunSeeker
(57,055 posts)Ping Tung
(3,943 posts)
AverageOldGuy
(3,108 posts)Ive kept politics off my Facebook page but knowing they are monitoring me, Ill go full-on anti-MAGAt as well as getting myself a BlueSky account, a Tik-Tok page, and anything else I can find.
USS_Dauntless
(103 posts)FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE! FUCK ICE!


littlemissmartypants
(30,670 posts)KentuckyWoman
(7,317 posts)Yes it is "tin foil hattery" in any other world but legitimately, I fully expect at some point some government thugs will show up at my door to try and scare me into not posting my opinions on what MAGA is going. I'll do it anyway and will tell them to their faces.
I'll be among the last they come for.... so maybe nature will take me out before they get down to roughing up old white ladies in retirement communities in red states.
Jack Valentino
(3,796 posts)This thing is god-like in its reach...
"The agency has declined to disclose how the flagged data will be used in enforcement actions or shared with other departments."
but of course!
TheFarseer
(9,702 posts)If I post Trump is a butthole. ICE arrests me and sends me to Guatemala? What are we talking about here? Is this why Washington crossed the Delaware? So we could all live in a George Orwell novel?
Jack Valentino
(3,796 posts)George Soros, I call on you to fund the left's version of this system!
(Also should add monitoring of Airline Flight Reservations, for when the MAGAts attempt to flee the country!)
Captain Zero
(8,578 posts)Add Bovino is a Pendejo randomly in stuff we write(?)
Bovino Pendejo.
Or start calling Homan 50K!$!
Just put shit like that in rverything
CentralMass
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subterranean
(3,715 posts)Is America great again yet?
LudwigPastorius
(13,686 posts)Turns out, it was just outsourced and privatized.
xmas74
(29,977 posts)I'll be discussing my endometriosis, my IBS, the chocolate ovarian tumor I had and cookie recipes.
I will also use it as an opportunity to punish unsuspecting audiences with poorly written fan fiction about the Omegaverse and MPreg.