but the underwear thing applies to both genders.

they choose to participate in this utter nonsense

When I was a child there was a strict dress code for females attending mass.
I had no choice.

And if my mother wanted to attend Mass she had to adhere to the rules.

But yes at some point my mother stopped attending Mass.
When the pope came out against birth control she dumped the church.

but as adults women can think for themselves, unless the grooming from religious bullshit is permanent

It is more than a religion it is a culture and family.

some grooming is permanent

At least it was better than a hat. I guess it's some weird Abrahamic suspicion about the evil of women's hair.

was pretty strict.

I wore uniforms to school for 12 years, and we had
to cover our heads in church. Only dresses, not
pants.

When I was a junior or senior in college, the codes
finally started to loosen. Hippie clothes were
especially cool -- bell bottoms, halter tops, hot
pants, and cool hats.

I guess this is putting me into a bout of nostalgia
now.

Did you also do the Kleenex and bobby pin thing in a pinch?

Really something, they wear them under their underwear. Going deeper into it is a bit TMI but it isn't pretty no matter how you wear them.

Secret underwear?

I am not sure about most of it but I do know that it is a truly misogynist society that keeps a lot secret from outsiders. I have been told things from those who left the system and have shared rooms on tour with mostly women of the system and it really makes you wonder about a number of things regarding belief systems.

... are very big on Fee Will.

And, yet, they are too blind to see

... who are qualified to go into a Mormon Temple wear them, men and women. One might point out that Utah was a first state to give women the vote and the right to own property.

Brigham Young was asked if he had to chose between educating a son or daughter, he said he would have the daughter educated because men have an easier time make a living without it than women could.

In any LDS ward, there's a Bishop (not paid by the church, he pays for all his expenses), the second power is the woman in charge of the Relief Society.

It has embraced modernity.

just....pathetic

I'd have thought the original garments that were demanded would have been breathable. How could an official get away with demanding the new polyester when it was introduced?

Even in the operating room, ER, or when giving birth! What happens is they are removed except for having them wrapped around an ankle or arm. Seriously, I kind of audited a medical ethics class for three semesters and that's how the nurses to be were instructed to deal with 'the garment' in crisis events.

They also discussed Native American family concerns and other ethical things, was interesting.

How holy they are because of what they ate or wore and he puts them in hell because they were mean, intolerant and just plane nasty.
Assuming that's true.

Winter wasn't bad but summers are hot and those sleeves looked ugly sticking out on their arms. We called them angelchaps. It was like wearing long Johns .

What are we, back in the 1800's?

were a really soft cotton. But maybe they had lighter weight ones for summer.

They protect against unwanted sex because Mormons were big on sex and big families but they were protection from something - like a St. Christopher medal.

Rather than we, are still trying to hang on to the 1800s.

My neighbor is a Mormon and I was raised near them. They don’t party next door, kids are respectful, bring me cookies at Christmas. I’ve never really had a bad interaction. They don’t drink and teach their kids respect.