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Doodley

(11,510 posts)
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:08 PM Nov 4

Do you think the Democrats should cave in on the shutdown, or only co-operate once SNAP and healthcare is resolved?

Personally, I think they should keep up the pressure, but do way more to let the people know that SNAP is not because of Democrats, and healthcare cuts are a bridge too far and will lead to more poverty and more deaths to pay for tax cuts for Trump's rich friends.

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Do you think the Democrats should cave in on the shutdown, or only co-operate once SNAP and healthcare is resolved? (Original Post) Doodley Nov 4 OP
I'm willing to try to figure things out mvd Nov 4 #1
Agreed. These cuts cannot be accepted on any account. Doodley Nov 4 #2
They shouldn't cave, the increase in Luciferous Nov 4 #3
Me included. I'm in Georgia. My healthcare without tax credits will go from 20 bucks to over 1000. Doodley Nov 4 #6
I know someone whose insurance is going Luciferous Nov 4 #13
Whoa! moonscape Nov 4 #18
NO! .... agingdem Nov 4 #4
Yes, every Democrat must stand up to the formation of the Trump oligarchy, while everyone else suffers. Doodley Nov 4 #11
I think they should only cooperate once snap and healthcare is resolved and Eko Nov 4 #5
Agreed. Doodley Nov 4 #9
It would mean allowing BLATANT LYING TO STAND AS FACT. vanlassie Nov 4 #24
What? Eko Nov 4 #25
I was answering the OP question. vanlassie Nov 4 #27
No need, all good. Eko Nov 4 #30
If GOPers offer an ironclad 2-year extension on ACA subsidies, I'd take it. It would restore SNAP Silent Type Nov 4 #7
They would be foolish to let this resolve with anything other than clear victory, even if it lasted months. David__77 Nov 4 #8
Democrats are fighting for the people Quiet Em Nov 4 #10
They should continue doing what they are doing. Republicans can open the government any time they chose. Autumn Nov 4 #12
Doesnt look like anyone else here is on SNAP. I get $300 Luz Nov 4 #14
That is exactly how they poison the well. taxi Nov 4 #19
How long do we expect government workers to just meekly accept working without pay? I sure as hell wouldn't. Midwestern Democrat Nov 5 #39
That illustrates how much differently the playing field is viewed. taxi Nov 5 #40
They can't ignore the politics. Part of their job BootinUp Nov 4 #15
No Cirsium Nov 4 #16
Voters are today giving a resounding "Fuck you!" to stable genius. GreenWave Nov 4 #17
Keep referring to Trump's own words. Norrrm Nov 4 #20
If Democrats fold, he will do it again. Happy Hoosier Nov 4 #21
We cannot fold on this. GOP is already shifting JCMach1 Nov 5 #37
Why cave edhopper Nov 4 #22
I think the Republicans will want to open the govt in the next few days after tonight's shillacking. beaglelover Nov 4 #23
NOPE! I'm willing to give them a stand-alone bill on SNAP. In It to Win It Nov 4 #26
Republicans need to negotiate and then open the government Emile Nov 4 #28
the Dem clean sweep should give repukes a clue Skittles Nov 4 #29
NO CAVING!!! regnaD kciN Nov 4 #31
no caving.... nt sprinkleeninow Nov 4 #32
Easy call from my situation FHRRK Nov 4 #33
F NO! HOLD THE LINE! TACO! sunflowerseed Nov 5 #34
Cave? After last night? Fuck no , fuck those Republicans. Autumn Nov 5 #35
Hold the line and add the restoration of LIHEAP funding to the list now. Efilroft Sul Nov 5 #36
No more than Kiev should surrender to avoid more bloodshed and end the conflict. Torchlight Nov 5 #38

Doodley

(11,510 posts)
6. Me included. I'm in Georgia. My healthcare without tax credits will go from 20 bucks to over 1000.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:16 PM
Nov 4

Luciferous

(6,521 posts)
13. I know someone whose insurance is going
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:23 PM
Nov 4

to go to $1200 a month, and they have health issues and only work part-time, so essentially their job would only cover their insurance.

agingdem

(8,699 posts)
4. NO! ....
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:15 PM
Nov 4

the MAGA cretins are having a hard time recognizing we are no longer the party of "nice"...we are no longer the party that bends over for the "good of the country" while the Republicans crap all over vulnerable Americans...

Doodley

(11,510 posts)
11. Yes, every Democrat must stand up to the formation of the Trump oligarchy, while everyone else suffers.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:19 PM
Nov 4

Eko

(9,794 posts)
5. I think they should only cooperate once snap and healthcare is resolved and
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:16 PM
Nov 4

not let dump de-fund whatever he wants without going through congress. Without that last part we don't have a functioning government.

vanlassie

(6,186 posts)
24. It would mean allowing BLATANT LYING TO STAND AS FACT.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 09:31 PM
Nov 4

Unacceptable. We are a truthful party.

Silent Type

(11,959 posts)
7. If GOPers offer an ironclad 2-year extension on ACA subsidies, I'd take it. It would restore SNAP
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:17 PM
Nov 4

and protect ACA. Then, all 250 of our delegations need to do laps around the country on what we are going for next year.

David__77

(24,500 posts)
8. They would be foolish to let this resolve with anything other than clear victory, even if it lasted months.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:17 PM
Nov 4

Autumn

(48,599 posts)
12. They should continue doing what they are doing. Republicans can open the government any time they chose.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:21 PM
Nov 4

Luz

(879 posts)
14. Doesnt look like anyone else here is on SNAP. I get $300
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:31 PM
Nov 4

per month for my disabled husband and myself on the 20th of the month. I only have $100 left on my account, just like every month, only now i can't see any relief in November and by December people will be desperate.
I can try to scrape by, but there's going to be a lot of people who cant. The point is is that I won't care what happens to healthcare by December 15th, and neither will 42 million starving americans.

taxi

(2,636 posts)
19. That is exactly how they poison the well.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:44 PM
Nov 4

Come December 15th people like yourself who say they don't care now will certainly care then. And what grievance do you suppose they will have? My guess is they'll be griping that Democrats didn't protect them, and not a one of them will understand that they didn't protect themselves. We need to stand fast and do what Democrats do - fight for those who cannot fight for themselves.

Midwestern Democrat

(1,012 posts)
39. How long do we expect government workers to just meekly accept working without pay? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 11:03 AM
Nov 5

I'll be honest - I have never believed shutting down the government was a legitimate negotiation ploy (I despised it when Newt Gingrich did it in '95 and I haven't changed my mind since) and frankly, it doesn't work - eventually the pain becomes so acute that the side holding up the reopening of the government has to fold.

taxi

(2,636 posts)
40. That illustrates how much differently the playing field is viewed.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 11:24 AM
Nov 5

On one hand we have tens of millions of hungry people subject to a political party playing a game of King on the Hill. For them it goes beyond infighting in politics, for some it means devastating hunger. There are also tens of millions who will go without the most basic healthcare that the most wealthy country in the world can easily afford. For them it isn't only an inconvenience, it's life or death.
I won't say that one side is holding things up, but I will say one side has so little regard for the American public that they place ballrooms, private jets, and banquets above the well being of those less fortunate than themselves.

Cirsium

(3,141 posts)
16. No
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 08:34 PM
Nov 4

No more compromise. No more appeasing bullies. No more bipartisan moves. No more negotiating with terrorists.

Norrrm

(3,399 posts)
20. Keep referring to Trump's own words.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 09:23 PM
Nov 4

Trump pre-blames Biden if government shutdown happens as deadline nears - Dec 2024


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Trump blames the sitting Prez... until he is the sitting Prez.


Happy Hoosier

(9,260 posts)
21. If Democrats fold, he will do it again.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 09:25 PM
Nov 4

This is it. We either stand firm now, or we fold our tents and go home.

JCMach1

(29,046 posts)
37. We cannot fold on this. GOP is already shifting
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:50 AM
Nov 5

For compromise (see Hawley). Keep the pressure up.

beaglelover

(4,384 posts)
23. I think the Republicans will want to open the govt in the next few days after tonight's shillacking.
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 09:27 PM
Nov 4

Skittles

(168,607 posts)
29. the Dem clean sweep should give repukes a clue
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 09:41 PM
Nov 4

I wouldn't give those Trump.2 fascist fucks one fucking inch.......NOT ONE

FHRRK

(1,302 posts)
33. Easy call from my situation
Tue Nov 4, 2025, 10:02 PM
Nov 4

Don’t get any benefits via SNAP, low/minimal impact to me on Healthcare costs. So I am solidly behind creating the line in the sand and taking the fight to the Repukes.

That being said, there are families much less fortunate. With that my adult children floated an idea yesterday. Cancel Christmas this year, reallocate the funds to needy families near us to partially offset the actions of this admin to partially offset the struggles of those immigrant families.

Efilroft Sul

(4,235 posts)
36. Hold the line and add the restoration of LIHEAP funding to the list now.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:48 AM
Nov 5

Only one party is fighting for Americans to be fed, healthy, and warm from the winter cold, and it ain't the GOP.

Torchlight

(6,117 posts)
38. No more than Kiev should surrender to avoid more bloodshed and end the conflict.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:53 AM
Nov 5

Responsibility lies with the aggressor. Consequence lies on the aggressor.

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