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Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:20 AM Nov 5

Polls were wrong, no major races were close

Virtually every race is coming in with a larger margin of victory than any poll had the races.

in Virginia:
Spanberger is going to win by more than 15 points.
Jones is going to win by close to 7 points
Hashmi is going to win by almost 12.
The +13 so far in the State House is an earth quake.

In New Jersey, Sherril is going to win by more than 13.

In NYC, Mamdani is going to win by 9 or 10 points.

This was a blowout relative to what was expected. No horse races, the pollsters didn't account for the American Public's hate for fascism.

The Virginia AG race was stunning, Jones had some issues and many were expecting a razor thin race or a loss, Jones wins going away against a MAGA incumbent.

This absolutely translates to 2026 because Trump and his band of crooked fascists will not pull back at all, they're going to accelerate their assaults on our Democracy and the people will be even more motivated 12 months from now.

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Polls were wrong, no major races were close (Original Post) Johnny2X2X Nov 5 OP
I predicted a blowout because, gab13by13 Nov 5 #1
The only way to rread political polls since the 2000s is, add 5 points to Democratic and reduce Republicans by. The goal ShazamIam Nov 5 #33
Except for Presidential elections? nt mr715 Nov 5 #37
Those vote counts are rigged Farmer-Rick Thursday #42
Trump is roundly despised outside his cult: not disliked - but despised Prairie Gates Nov 5 #2
Corporate media had been unsuccessfully selling their "voters hate Democrats, too" narrative for months. sop Nov 5 #4
Over and over. tavernier Nov 5 #18
2026 could be an absolute historic blowout Johnny2X2X Nov 5 #5
As the saying goes: From your mouth (writing) to the Goddess' ear. efhmc Nov 5 #6
If the MAGAs and former-MAGAs stayed home, isn't it the same result? FakeNoose Nov 5 #25
When the polls are wrong crud Nov 5 #3
or stayed home. mopinko Nov 5 #13
I think that is a big part of it crud Nov 5 #39
I studied this at University IbogaProject Nov 5 #29
I don't answer text surveys crud Nov 5 #38
Jobs, food, healthcare, generally not being an ahole underpants Nov 5 #7
Democrat Sean Ryan won the Buffalo mayoral race La Coliniere Nov 5 #8
Pollsters didn't account for SocialDemocrat61 Nov 5 #9
How did we do outside major cities? C_U_L8R Nov 5 #10
Dems made gains in every single county in Virginia Johnny2X2X Nov 5 #11
Thank goodness! C_U_L8R Nov 5 #12
One of our posters said their upstate town in NY shifted to D IbogaProject Nov 5 #34
So much for the "tightening" races. 3catwoman3 Nov 5 #14
And regarding Houston, we have to wait till February or March... ananda Nov 5 #15
Some were Boo1 Nov 5 #16
And our Prop 50 should end at about 62-64% obamanut2012 Nov 5 #17
Looking like that Johnny2X2X Nov 5 #19
Exactly -- I am very glad he is our Governor obamanut2012 Nov 5 #20
That's almost embarrassing for the MAGA cult. BigmanPigman Nov 5 #21
The MSM tends to believe their own myths (nt) William Seger Nov 5 #23
Knowing what 2026 looks like, I'm guessing they'll pull out all the stops rather than pull back William Seger Nov 5 #22
363 Days Until The 2026 Midterms... Wednesdays Nov 5 #24
Any DUers here get polled? IronLionZion Nov 5 #26
Don't get complacent.... MaeScott Nov 5 #27
zero evidence. and I wish people would stop .... stopdiggin Nov 5 #30
substantially true - with the one quibble being the Mandami race stopdiggin Nov 5 #28
I'm Certain I Am in Good Company (Millions!!) in Having Largely Silenced the Corporate Media a Good Long Time Ago The Roux Comes First Nov 5 #31
I expect the corporate media to respond Johnny2X2X Nov 5 #32
I'm Sure You're Right. I've Had More Than Enough of That "Local Color" to Last Me a Lifetime! The Roux Comes First Nov 5 #35
The polls didn't consider the women. . . .Trump has energized the Women's Movement h2ebits Nov 5 #36
IMO, demolishing the East Wing was his way of putting up a BOYS ONLY sign on the White House. CrispyQ Thursday #41
All that gerrymandering in red states could very well backfire. CrispyQ Thursday #40
I agree with this too Johnny2X2X Thursday #43
Remeber that polls use Turnout models. Happy Hoosier Thursday #44

gab13by13

(30,624 posts)
1. I predicted a blowout because,
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:30 AM
Nov 5

polls are too prone to manipulation, I tend to ignore them.

I believe that Krasnov's popularity is in the low 30's. He lost his young and Hispanic voters for sure.

ShazamIam

(2,969 posts)
33. The only way to rread political polls since the 2000s is, add 5 points to Democratic and reduce Republicans by. The goal
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:18 PM
Nov 5

in the manipulation is of course to give credibility to the political lies, like that big lie, Americans are/have become more conservative.

Farmer-Rick

(12,277 posts)
42. Those vote counts are rigged
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:29 AM
Thursday

And have been since W. But once in awhile, the voters overwhelm the cheating.

Trump stole the election in 2016 by using Putin's troll farms, Russian tax dollars and rigging social media sites. Then he cheated again in 2024 using the computerized vote counts on all the swing states. Musk helped with that thru buying Twitter and rigging counts.

It's much more difficult for each individual Republicon to rig each of their state's vote counts. Though the GOP tries anyway. Trump is not funding the rigging in each and every state election. It's easier to just rig one nationwide election. The rigged opinion polls are then used as cover for the rigged vote counts. But the rigged opinion polls in states are useless because of the difficulty of rigging each and every state's voting systems.

So yeah, the polls are useless at the state level because GOP pollsters are still overweighting GOP opinions but the actual vote count is Not rigged to reflect the pollster's bias like they are in nationwide votes.

Prairie Gates

(6,796 posts)
2. Trump is roundly despised outside his cult: not disliked - but despised
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:33 AM
Nov 5

Their only hope (and they thought it was plausible) was that voters also hated Democrats. The margins we're seeing now suggest that that life raft sprung a leak as well.

sop

(16,848 posts)
4. Corporate media had been unsuccessfully selling their "voters hate Democrats, too" narrative for months.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:40 AM
Nov 5

tavernier

(14,073 posts)
18. Over and over.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:48 AM
Nov 5

Which made me wonder, “Who then were the eight million people protesting in the streets of our nation??”

Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
5. 2026 could be an absolute historic blowout
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:41 AM
Nov 5

Bigger than even 2018.

The Virginia AG shows that anyone can beat a MAGA Republican right now. You're going to see some shocks in the US Senate with Red State incumbents losing to underdog Dems. You could see the US Senate flip dramatically, the House is a given. But the US Senate could end up like 56-44 in favor of Dems.

FakeNoose

(39,444 posts)
25. If the MAGAs and former-MAGAs stayed home, isn't it the same result?
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 11:57 AM
Nov 5

I believe there are enough Democrats and independent voters to take many races, when the Chump-lovers decide they don't care enough to participate. Even many of the so-called "red" counties will go purple or blue when the R's stay home. We've seen this in Pennsylvania where the party registration is roughly 50%R/50%D but the largest group are unaffiliated voters. It's the "indies" that make the difference.

In the past 6 months or so, Chump has alarmed and pissed off so many of his own voters that it's not surprising when they decided to skip voting this time.

crud

(1,134 posts)
3. When the polls are wrong
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:38 AM
Nov 5

it usually means that they had the model wrong. They made an assumption that didn't turn out. There was a group of voters that showed up that were under estimated. Is it the under 30 crowd? Interested to find out when the analyze the results.

crud

(1,134 posts)
39. I think that is a big part of it
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 01:16 PM
Nov 5

the maga aren't that thrilled with their orange stain.

IbogaProject

(5,401 posts)
29. I studied this at University
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:12 PM
Nov 5

Kids under 30 never answer a call from an unknown number. And there are ever less actual landlines left, let alone how few aren't just set to silent voicemail or a silent answering machine. The pollsters now try text messaging. I actually did a poll seemingly supporting Cuomo to help his target his lies better. If a survey catches me I will do it, but that is due to my own curiosity doubled by having studied the subject of Survey Sampling.

La Coliniere

(1,656 posts)
8. Democrat Sean Ryan won the Buffalo mayoral race
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:49 AM
Nov 5

by almost 50points! The Republican, James Gardner spent over $350 k of his own money and campaigned aggressively throughout the city but only managed to get 24% of the vote. Guess he shouldn’t have said during his debate with Ryan, that he’d welcome the orange felon’s troops into the city. What a dunce.

C_U_L8R

(48,521 posts)
10. How did we do outside major cities?
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:59 AM
Nov 5

Republicans had been making gains for years by winning small town / small offices in kind of a bottom-up strategy of control. I’m curious if Democrats have been able to break that trend - if Trump hasn’t already broken it for us. Is there a bigger change coming? Is America finally sick of all the lying, cheating, abusing while having their livelihoods and retirements and healthcare stolen beneath them by the GOP?

Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
11. Dems made gains in every single county in Virginia
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:05 AM
Nov 5

So yeah, I'd say rural America is shifting too.

What was important about last night besides electing qualified Dems was to show the donors what is possible for 2026. We need to build the largest war chest in mid term history and take the country back.

IbogaProject

(5,401 posts)
34. One of our posters said their upstate town in NY shifted to D
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:20 PM
Nov 5

They said the town was literally studied as a single party community by academics and they broke from the GOP after 175 years. I am guessing the time frame to be the entire duration of the GOP, they didn't say the time frame.

3catwoman3

(28,124 posts)
14. So much for the "tightening" races.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:15 AM
Nov 5

The media seems to think tight races are more interesting/exciting. IMO, blowouts are much more impressive.

ananda

(33,962 posts)
15. And regarding Houston, we have to wait till February or March...
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:19 AM
Nov 5

to get Sylvester Turner replaced in Congress.

Both candidates in the runoff are good -- Christian Menefee
and Amanda Edwards.

But I would have liked a result this time.

Boo1

(34 posts)
16. Some were
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:43 AM
Nov 5

Others were pretty good, especially in VA where only Traflagar was way off. In NJ Atlas, Emerson, and Suffolk have a lot to look at for why they blew it....but Zogby and YouGov did very well.

Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
19. Looking like that
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 10:50 AM
Nov 5

63.8 to 36.2 right now.

This is why I like Newsom, he plays hard ball, he plays to win.

BigmanPigman

(54,364 posts)
21. That's almost embarrassing for the MAGA cult.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 11:08 AM
Nov 5

A 30 point spread, it was a joke thinking this possibly wouldn't pass. It was destined to be a land slide from the start.

William Seger

(12,043 posts)
22. Knowing what 2026 looks like, I'm guessing they'll pull out all the stops rather than pull back
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 11:10 AM
Nov 5

#rump will convince them they need to crank the MAGA up to 11.

IronLionZion

(50,304 posts)
26. Any DUers here get polled?
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:03 PM
Nov 5

I got polled on my cell phone for the Virginia election and responded that I was voting for all the Dems. I've been a VA resident for 2 years.

Polls can oversample certain demographics and undersample others. Younger liberals and some minorities might be more transient and not have held residency and voter registration long enough to be reached by pollsters.

MaeScott

(943 posts)
27. Don't get complacent....
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:07 PM
Nov 5

Kamala won.
*45/47 was facing consequences for felonies
Muskrat wanted lots of data for his ai
Match made in Hell
Muskrat stole the election for *45/47 in exchange for our data.
Will bet money on it.
Need to find out how to counter a repeat.

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
30. zero evidence. and I wish people would stop ....
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:13 PM
Nov 5

election deniers are dangerous. (and if you want concrete example - you can visit my part of the country)
MAGA-loons - clawing at the fabric ...

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
28. substantially true - with the one quibble being the Mandami race
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:08 PM
Nov 5

in which polling had him winning by at least (and probably greater) margin than actual results. So, that one - not a surprise.

The Roux Comes First

(1,975 posts)
31. I'm Certain I Am in Good Company (Millions!!) in Having Largely Silenced the Corporate Media a Good Long Time Ago
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:15 PM
Nov 5

It makes it far easier to actually contemplate events and think with your own brain-power, rather than let the corporations and gazillionaires continue to bloviate and dictate the storyline.

Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
32. I expect the corporate media to respond
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:17 PM
Nov 5

With 1,000 more interviews of racists in diners in small town rural America.

h2ebits

(958 posts)
36. The polls didn't consider the women. . . .Trump has energized the Women's Movement
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 12:24 PM
Nov 5

Several news stations were reporting a large difference between the number of women who voted vs the number of men.

It was so heartening to me to see this information. I've been fighting for equal opportunity all of my life.

CrispyQ

(40,447 posts)
41. IMO, demolishing the East Wing was his way of putting up a BOYS ONLY sign on the White House.
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:23 AM
Thursday

I hate him & he can't die soon enough. And I will party hearty that day!

CrispyQ

(40,447 posts)
40. All that gerrymandering in red states could very well backfire.
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:20 AM
Thursday

Representatives are especially vulnerable since their terms are only two years long, & a lot of people might think a vote for the dems or even just not voting would be a way to put some brakes on this out of control administration. We might have a shot at the senate, too, if the repubs don't pull their collective head out of Trump's orange ass.

Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
43. I agree with this too
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:36 AM
Thursday

If 2026 is like this Tuesday, all the Gerrymandering won't matter and you're going to install Dems into districts you rigged to be reliably red. Now those reliably red districts will have an incumbent Dem in 2028. Dems are going to flip both houses in 2026 and it will be a massive flip.

Happy Hoosier

(9,260 posts)
44. Remeber that polls use Turnout models.
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:39 AM
Thursday

And that's hard. The hardest thing in polling is figuring out the likely voter model. They underestimated how motivated we are the hamstring the TFG.

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