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PeaceWave

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leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
1. She sure campaigned like she was
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 04:49 PM
Nov 5

Spanberger: "We’re going produce more energy and we’re going to lower energy costs. We are going to produce more energy here in Virginia and make sure that data centers pay their fair share." She also campaigned on lowering the cost of homes, cracking down on pharmaceutical prices and making data centers pay their fair share.

Governor-elect Spanberger: "Now that the campaign is over, the real work begins. We are going to work to lower costs of renting, buying, or staying in your home. We're going to lower health care costs. We are going to lower energy costs, and we're gonna do it by producing more energy here in Virginia"

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
20. None of those are socialist, they are aspirational goals
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 09:18 PM
Nov 5

Socialism would be one way of implementing those goals. Republicans say they are going to do those things by cutting taxes and regulations for example. Literally today Trump posted "Our Economy is BOOMING, and Costs are coming way down. Affordability is our goal." Granted he's lying about costs coming way down, but if just talking about affordability is socialism, then Trump's a socialist and not the national socialist type for once.

Has Spanberger talked about starting government grocery stores and rent control?

Hekate

(100,129 posts)
2. Is she required to be? Virginia is not New York City
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 04:50 PM
Nov 5

RandySF

(79,643 posts)
3. So?
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 04:51 PM
Nov 5

Virginia is not NYC. And if you want to insist we try to spread socialism everywhere you’re missing the point AOC made last night.

maxsolomon

(37,807 posts)
4. Mamdami isn't going to enact "Socialism".
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 04:52 PM
Nov 5

Spanberger isn't going to fight "Socialism".

This nation has no idea what "Socialism" is, except a convenient Whipping Boy for the Right.

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
5. It's cool, though. Seeing it replace immigration, etc
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 04:54 PM
Nov 5

So awesome Mamdani quoted Eugene Debs in his speech

Hopefully thousands of keyboards clacking "Google: Who is Eugene Debs"

Blue_Roses

(13,758 posts)
7. Yep
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:01 PM
Nov 5
"This nation has no idea what "Socialism" is, except a convenient Whipping Boy for the Right."


This! And rather than educate themselves on it, they will just believe what they hear on FOX nrews.

maxsolomon

(37,807 posts)
9. My elderly Father told me, and he was serious, that Kamala Harris was a COMMUNIST.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:03 PM
Nov 5

It's laughable how well it works on the nation's brainwashed olds.

Blue_Roses

(13,758 posts)
11. Laughable but sad...
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:07 PM
Nov 5

My sister fell down that rabbit hole after years of being an Independent voter. My brother-in-law must be proud after trying to win her over for years.

Deep State Witch

(12,440 posts)
14. Spanberger is Former CIA
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:47 PM
Nov 5

You can bet your ass she knows what "socialism" is.

The point is that all politics are local. Mamdani's approach may work well in NYC, but it wouldn't work in purple Virginia. Affordability, health care costs, and clean energy have universal appeal.

maxsolomon

(37,807 posts)
16. The Fire Dept is "Socialism" to many Americans.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:53 PM
Nov 5

The friggin' Public Library is Socialism.

Socialism isn't equivalent to Communism. Its isn't equivalent to Totalitarianism.

Whatever it is, I doubt Spanberger is going to fight it as Gov of VA.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,479 posts)
6. Except she's wrong
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:00 PM
Nov 5

Americans support progressive, “socialist” policies by large majorities, even if most of them identify as “moderate” or “conservative”.

Just because Republicans have successfully transformed the word Liberal into a pejorative epithet, doesn’t mean Americans oppose policies that would benefit them and protect their rights.

SSJVegeta

(2,012 posts)
8. I dont think it matters what you call yourself
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:01 PM
Nov 5

...as long as your policies favor the working class, and you can send that message loud and clear.

BannonsLiver

(20,089 posts)
10. I'm mostly focused on winning elections.
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:06 PM
Nov 5

These little litmus test pissing contests are not very interesting anymore. Every place is unique anyway. Hard to compare what works in VA vs NYC.

Deuxcents

(24,741 posts)
12. I don't think labels work because most people don't know the meaning of one or the other. "Liberal" is used to humiliate
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:16 PM
Nov 5

..including attaching the ignorant “communist” label. I wish a reporter would ask that question the next time it’s thrown out..just what is a _______?

Bmoboy

(575 posts)
13. So, is she against Social Security?
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:45 PM
Nov 5

Does she want to end Medicare?

Would she like to privatize the Interstate highway system?

Close all public schools?

Defund the police and fire departments?

It all depends on how you define socialism.

obamanut2012

(29,028 posts)
15. Mamdani is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:48 PM
Nov 5

Not the same thing.

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
17. Reason Magazine (the source of your OP) is a right-centre libertarian mag
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 05:59 PM
Nov 5

fujiyamasan

(948 posts)
18. As the old adage goes, "all politics is local"
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 06:00 PM
Nov 5

What works in New York City may not even work in Rochester or Albany.

And Virginia is an entirely different state with different priorities. Its democratic shift is also relatively recent, but republicans have made sure to accelerate it dramatically. After all, who would have figured that massive government layoffs in a state where many of those employees live is a good idea?

mzmolly

(52,540 posts)
19. Big tent ... all politics is
Wed Nov 5, 2025, 06:01 PM
Nov 5

local.

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