About how bad Trump and the Republicans are

So why did they decide not to fuck around with the vote this time?

it is more difficult to sway the smaller elections. Too much visibility. More scrutiny is possible.

Plus - I always believe it is harder to fuck with a mandate.

They did have some kind of "falling out".

But I believe we need to keep our antennae up for 2026 and 2028.

"They" will try and hold on to power at all costs.

We can't complacently sit back on our laurels because of one successful election cycle, as republicans will pull out every resource they can to defeat us next time. As such, I am not celebrating until congress is in Democratic control with big majorities.

I never underestimate republicans' ability to cheat. For these people, all that matter is winning and winning by any means necessary.

There is much to do to establish the framework of free and fair elections.

Democratic lawmakers need to really go to work on all kinds of legislation to prevent such abuses of power, starting with new and more effective voters' rights.

I don't think they've stopped thinking of the "birth certificate to vote" thing. They could kick millions of women off of the voter roles just before an election....

and voter intimation by republicans has gotten insane.

… under the worst case scenarios.

That was pretty high profile in a prez election year. The reality is these are good yarns but don’t really add up to much.

We had sufficient facts last time with our superior reasoning abilities (if you believe that hubris i have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale).

They did not have sufficient facts last time because they were hoodwinked by propaganda and prejudice (they don't like non-whites and women so much).

The facts available now are kind of overwhelming.

A certain number of voters were persuaded to vote for Trump, and I think they’ve had time to reconsider their folly. But even more is his usual “every accusation is a confession” — he TOLD us his intentions were to make votes come out in his favor, no matter what.

The vote fro Biden was just too big to overcome.

Voter suppression, media lies, etc, etc, etc....

thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the?fbclid=IwY2xjawK-Q-RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHl8PQYh9WG-6uuPXYQO5BzrEiJv9VweTkJc6a-VHicPxurAtcP4Q059t4Gjo_aem_HoFB_uGcaEjb3ciZ62ggmA

why didn't he use it this time?

We know Ken Paxton deliberately sabotaged the vote in Texas in 2020. He faced ZERO punishment for it because he had help from his real employers, Fox News.

The psychos that are interfering with our election, along with the 800 pound malignant tumor in DC known as the Heritage Foundation, have some serious 'splaining to do.

trump had one honest transaction in his life--the election.

The thought he ever did anything without cheating is absurd.

Your spidey sense is on target.

Translates to:

"They lost because I didn't cheat for them"

n/t

If it’s TSF it’s corrupt.

Damn right there was, my husband and I we just discussing that last night and Musk admitted to it several times. The polls were not wrong in 2024; the electronic voting tabulation was undermined by tech crooks. The evidence is there and when the democrats take back power, they better put it out there and not screw around like Garland did.

every State mails ballots out and you mail them back or physically take them to the election office.
Computer hackers are smart and are getting smarter every day, take them out of the equation.

…the Dems risk not taking back power without addressing the vote count manipulation elephant in the room.

Musk buying votes, using Starlink
to game results....

not a secret.

Repigs couldn't cheat enough this time. I expect they will redouble their efforts for next year. We'll see some close shaves that allow them to retain too many Senate and House seats. Real results should be 2/3rds majorities in both.

Or both?

Just goes to show how 2024 election denialism is pure nonsense.

I can think of New York, New Jersey, Virginia, Mississippi, and the ballot measure in California.

States with major/significant races included:

New Jersey
Virginia
California
Colorado
Georgia
Maine
Michigan
Minnesota
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Texas

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/nation-world/election-day-2025-races/507-da48f03f-ec9d-4523-8f1b-61bb76a3802d

https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar

I heard today that there were a total of over 400 different races, and Repugs won in only 11 of those elections.

I just found this. Apparently 29 states had elections. According to ballotpedia there were approx 800 different elections.
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/11/05/a-look-at-yesterdays-election-results/

Why not ask Musk?

the polls were way off this time, right?

So they just didn't care enough. Or, they couldn't do it on that level. They likely needed the high vote numbers (millions) to cover up the subterfuge.

that ridiculous conspiracy theories are true.

Just asking.

Especially if Elon can be commanded to flip a switch and bring their guys to victory.

will be enacted by the large Democratic majority in the House of delegates along with the state Senate majority with a Democratic Governor and Lieutenant Governor.

That's just my opinion.

Especially after being threatened with deportation.

Right now, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when p25 is going to release the epstein files and push tRump out the way for good.

The cheating only works when it's a close election. They tried rigging Obama's elections as well, but the margins were too big. Remember Carl Rove being dumbfounded about Obama winning OH, he said it was impossible even though a lot of polls had him winning.

You folks claim that there is undeniable proof posted publicly laying out beyond a shadow of a doubt that the election was stolen that any reasonable person would be convinced by.

Which means you are accusing Kamala Harris and Democratic leaders of just being too dumb and incompetent to consume publicly available information that contains incontrovertible proof of a stolen election.

Or is it that they are fully aware the election was stolen and just choose to say nothing about it for whatever reason?

These election denial conspiracy theories are beyond nonsensical, and actually represent vicious attacks on the Democratic Party.

Klobuchar, Reed, Warner and Peters had concerns that election equipment does not have adequate security.
https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/ranking-members-klobuchar-warner-reed-and-peters-press-election-equipment-manufacturers-on-security

I don’t know who you think I am, part of some nebulous group of “you folks”. I’m just a g-d- person who has been here for 20 years and who has donated thousands to Democratic campaigns and knocked on doors as well. So don’t lump me together with those who do “vicious attacks on Democratic Party.”

Unlike a lot of people, I appreciate and support a broad range of Democrats from AOC to Spanberger to Booker to Newsom to Schiff to Porter not to mention the frankly-divine Obamas and the always-decent Biden and every single one of the signers of the Klobuchar letter. Diversity is strength.

As far as Kamala Harris, i attended her rally here; she fought hard in her campaign; and she was utterly shocked at the loss. I have no problems with her choices or her character; I sure as hell think she is NOT dumb and NOT incompetent. So don’t put words in my mouth about her.

I feel that it is very unDU-like.

I hate to see folks misconstrue or distort the thoughtful analysis of others. IMHO, also not very DU-like.

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twitchy, angry, and desperate TSF's disordered brain gets. His limitations and disorders are a major problem (not discussed at all in MSM, BTW) for us and -- facing humiliation and defeat -- for him personally. There's no guessing what he'll do except that we know it will be outrageous and without careful consideration.

But also we shouldn't forget that recent elections matter globally, and those autocrats and oligarchs and multi multi billionaires who have invested in and joined with TSF will push buttons, pull levers, whisper in TSF's ear...they won't give up on 50 years of planning and spending.

Glad someone finally said it. Was thinking the same thing
.

Who received our personal data in return.

Have you seen hand counted recounts of yesterday's elections? Where is your proof?

Sure, Republicans fucked with the elections on November 4, 2025, but they were so incompetent that they were unable to win a single "competitive" type election in the entire United States. But those same evil geniuses stole the Presidential election in 2024 without bothering to rig dozens of House and Senate seats which could have given them super majorities in both chambers and left Democrats completely powerless to stop anything. Wow!

At least on our side.

It’s got to be some sort of joke and we’re just not in on it…right?

We all see Biden in a much more positive light than those who aren’t invested in the day to day tribal stuff. The foundation of these theories are based on a complete lack of understanding of that unfortunate reality. Inflation was up. Biden’s last year was chaotic. Trump was able to take advantage of culture war issues. The end.

just how sh*tty their neighbors are willing to be when approaching the polling station.

"The American people would never ..."
YES! Yes they would! And they keep proving it to you!
But it's still hard for people to wrap their heads around. No, sorry - but a lot of people out there are just enormous dicks!

Thank you, I will remember that.

should be accorded approximately the same weight (perhaps a little less?) as those of a patent medicine salesman.

They lie, and pontificate on such blatant falsehood - on such a routine basis - that I am surprised the subject must even be broached.

"proof of declaration"
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Too much visibility on each locality. It is easier to have more scrutiny.

Plus - I always say it is more difficult to fuck with things when there is a clear mandate.

Others on this thread have offered similar logical explanations.

Perhaps once every couple of years or so, someone manages to vote illegally. Meanwhile, more than 99% of ballots are voted legally, by people who are registered to vote. The simple system of telling your name, and date of birth and then signing the book is more than sufficient.

I'm finding it outrageous that people here on DU keep on trying to make the election illegitimate.

Trump and Musk both admitted it. James Baker used the example of casino slot machines of insider tampering. So happens the casino he referenced was Trump's. Mike Lindell admitted to buying a program for the EVMs. One of his guys got caught in Mesa County. One of the Mesa County election officials was sentenced to jail. She gave the guy her access card. They said it was to prove 2020 big lie. Lindell bought that program to install. Testified in court to that. There's no way it was only the one case. That is the one that got caught. The slot machines use the same platform as the voting machines. China gave Ivanka electronic voting machines. That includes the schematics and programs. Thank you Musk with your help with the counting computers (tabulators). Then there is this gem from Musk "Anything can be hacked."

Plus, Elon Musk simply isn't the smartest genius ever, but people, especially here, seem to think he is.

And if they are so good tampering with machines and stealing votes, I guess all the Republicans won their elections, right? So I guess my local paper got it all wrong that Democrats won big.

It's subtitle is What Went Wrong In Ohio. It examines the 2004 election. You might want to read it.

Velshi was on the big board last night, and he showed the comparisons of margins to Harris and to Biden. When I saw those numbers and trends, I felt - another example of why the accepted "result" for 2024 doesn't make sense.

My spidey senses acted up in real time in both 2024 and 2016. There has been a lot of affirming data for 2024.

I wish there had been paper ballot recounts for both 2024 and 2016. Jumping in front of the naysayers - in 2016 there was one re-add of machine counts...no hand recount of paper ballots.



I wish there were a spidey sense classic smilie.

Be careful. You're sounding an awful lot like the other side.

And they liked the candidates democrats nominated.

Trump wasn’t on the ballot, so his cult didn’t show up to the polls.

Muskrat and Dump STOLE 2024 from Kamala. Since then they have done nothing to dissuade anyone that they are THIEVES who are willing to steal from the poorest of us so what the fuck would stop these sociopathic psychos???

Should be the #1 topic in the news cycle! Is this an indication about how the mid-terms will go?

Dominion Voting Systems sold to company run by former Republican election official - ABC News https://share.google/XXWhxVXd2e0ykPM6N

The No Kings protests & the like helped keep momentum/anger up against the fascists too. Maga just didn't like their candidates this time

leadership of the Democratic Party.

If you believe these nonsense conspiracy theories, you must believe one of two things about Kamala Harris and the entire Democratic Party apparatus

That Harris and Democratic leaders are fully aware the election was stolen from us, and have for whatever reason, decided to say nothing, making them complicit in a “cover-up”

Or you are accusing Harris and Democrats of being just too stupid and ignorant to figure it out themselves, despite (what you consider to be) convincing evidence in the public domain clearly documenting this “election theft”

To attack the character of Harris and Democrats in this manner, just to prop up a nonsense conspiracy theory in order to preserve some alternate reality, really is quite sick.

Because how could the same voting machine remove 10% of the registered voters during one election, but not the other? That is, unless the malware has date criteria. In which case, it allows for normal election results in less important elections, but when it comes to presidential elections, those are important. Removing 10% of the democratic voters should be just enough to get in some anti-American candidate, like Krasnov, let him stack the courts with more anti-American Russian assets, and win enough races to give such a stooge complete control of the government.

Musk, and his doge boys were deleting and or flipping millions of Harris votes via firmware
patches put onto the Central Tabulators and Operating Systems of E.S.&S. and Dominion
Voting Systems and at the end of the day it looked like Harris just didn’t get the voter turn out
but she did and Peter Thiel’s Palantir was running a clean up program called “Digital Janitor”
that didn’t flip or delete votes but hide that is what happened. Musk turned on 265 low earth
orbit satellites on Oct. 30, 24 that used Starlink’s D.T.C. (direct to cell) to be in communications with
the firmware patches that were put in place on our voting systems.

Also Greg Palast has done good work on right wing republicans called True the Vote using
old Jim Crow rules managed to get @ least 4 million voters removed from voter rolls
in surgically sighted areas.

Another 2 million or so were stop from voting by the Post Office and various B.O.E.s
using excuses like the signatures don’t match or in Florida 500,000 + voters had their
votes put into question when their voter I.D. was challenged after they had registered.

The fix was in and Trump knew it. Remember his comments in July and October of 2024
that he didn’t need anymore votes.

I don't buy the massive electronic vote flipping story considering how many hundreds of county election offices they would have had to target.

…. able but @ the county or state levels @ the Central Tabulators or Operating Systems at targeted
places where the data was being compiled. A standard bell shaped distribution of data should show
that the results would have an even distribution of results but in almost case of a glitch, a statistical
anomaly, a hanging chad, a voting block not showing up such as the 70% of Americans who support
a woman’s right to choose were not there in ‘24, voters being denied access to vote or having their vote
counted it has almost always favored the Republicans. And that has been going on for decades.

looked at whether tabulator total matched the numbers that came from the counties?

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What I do know the architecture was in place that would allow for manipulation of the voting data
and that this hack onto America’s democracy was very very very sophisticated and that efforts
were made to hide “it” too.

In Pennsylvania in Erie, Pittsburgh, and in Philadelphia all of which are very blue a late afternoon
surge of Trump votes came in on Election Day.

Once again I might be able to buy that but for some reason every time these anomalies, glitches, vote surges, undervotes, and voter deletions didn’t go to help the Republican Presidential Candidate time after
time. Simple statistics would likely show some kind of causality behind those votes and occurrences.

From 2020 to 2024 the only states that showed any increase in Trump vote and under vote for Harris were
the swing states, 88 counties went from blue to red, and with zero going from red to blue nationwide, and
Musk’s own words on Joe Rogan, “I have a special appreciation that lets me see the returns early. IOWs
he was into the data.

Math = logic.

Logic = math.

I'd like to see convincing data on that.

Also, I assume you meant Musk had an "application" not an "appreciation"

No they don’t

There is not a shred of evidence for it (to this day !) . And insistence that it happened nonetheless - is where we veer off into conspiracy land.

And it really bothers that people on my side continue to ride this train. Makes us sound like a bunch of knuckle draggers ....
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this on top of the old fashioned methods of too few voting machines in Democratic areas, or even too few polling places. There are much shorter lines in Republican areas. Everything in The Conyers Report is still in play. And now we have targeted bomb scares.

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"Musk turned on 265 low earth orbit satellites on Oct. 30, 24 that used Starlink’s D.T.C. (direct to cell) to be in communications with
the firmware patches that were put in place on our voting systems."

Nothing coincidental here.

The data from Election Truth Alliance matches up with the capabilities of the machines. And the end result matched the evil vilaain master plan of the grifter and his "backers".

Harris did not lose.

"matches up with the capabilities" ... - - - - - - (but without a shred of evidence)

These people are selling you a 'story'! You are not required to buy it. (unless that is what you wish to do)

Republican IT Guru Dies In Plane Crash - CBS News https://share.google/by1tzWpZbJT9IEPat

(and this, in a nutshell, is why we have half the country .... ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

before the Franklin County, Ohio precinct with 638 voters that had 4258 votes for W. You might be interested in what Stephen Spoonamore had to say., but that's a long way down as well. There's a link to more problems with the 2004 presidential election in Ohio, this was well covered in The Conyers Report.

Thanks for sharing.

And thanks for kicking the thread and keeping it visible.

Just like any election Republicans lose is rigged.

Are we allowed to think that yet? (Asking for a friend.)

I gotta laugh at the idea of giving the corrupt convicted felon and his amoral crony cult the benefit of the doubt.

… demographic groups that favor Dems, to try and swing the vote in ‘26 to their favor. And if that is still insufficient to retain power, they’ll be ready to cheat more brazenly.

Like (the fictional) Harold Finch, and Ms Groves!

And Kara Swisher says we need White Har Hackers to try and figure out what DOGE did at the Social Security Admin and other agencies.

My Theory is that they can only cheat a little without it becoming obvious. This time simply overran the cheating.

It often boils down to the math and the logic.

eom

Electiontruthalliance.org
Data experts and statisticians got together and have analysed election data.
Go to their website and they will show you exactly how the cheating occurred.

I certainly wouldn't bet a paycheck on my tea-leaves, all other things being equal however, that feeling will probably remain for quite some time.