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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSerious Question: Why are some people so worked up/crashing out about Mamdani?
Reading the post about Debra Messing and just seeing the generally apocalyptic discourse surrounding Mamdani, particularly among certain demographics, I feel like some people are just losing their minds about the guy but I haven't figured out why all the panic about him beyond vague "concerns". It's gotten to the point too where Trump is threatening federal funding for NYC, as well as some Republicans musing about stripping him of his citizenship and deporting him. Can somebody explain to me what the actual concerns are about him? THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
yellow dahlia
(3,982 posts)1) There is a lot of propaganda on social media and people's feeds. He is being painted as a dangerous ideologue.
2) There is an inherent anti-muslim among some.
johnp3907
(4,171 posts)Dont know who she is and I dont care what she says.
Tree Lady
(12,899 posts)But I think we need his youth and energy.
Maybe some are afraid of who will leave the city not to pay tax there, but from what I hear a lot of rich people have homes or apartments in the city they visit now a few days a year, they should pay more in property tax using up a lot of land space they don't use. If they leave it won't hurt the city.
Iggo
(49,397 posts)Tax the rich.
Feed the poor.
Til there are no
Rich no more.
ret5hd
(21,981 posts)in fact, im pro that.
Sogo
(6,822 posts)He also wants to fix the hall lights in public housing, make buses run on time, bring down housing and food prices in NYC.... Horrors like that....
ananda
(33,962 posts)this would be the equivalent of a five-alarm fire,
or worse.
bucolic_frolic
(53,228 posts)The Russian Revolution really freaked them out because socialism had been brewing in NYC's immigrant community since about 1898. They managed to deflect and co-opt the movement with better jobs and a little corporate paternalism. But it still freaks them out.
haele
(14,845 posts)Who was also a member of the Bull Moose (Anti-Trust/Social Infrastructure Investments) and the Socialist party.
He was an honest to Gawd Liberal Republican, reforming the Police Department, re-establishing a merit based employment system blind to cultural or racial background, using Infrastructure and low income housing developments to keep people in the city and working after Black Friday to get the city back on its feet, and working with FDR on the New Deal.
If Mandami can follow in La Guardia's footsteps, the Wealthy in New York can still be wealthy, while living conditions and opportunities for the average person working in New York will improve.
legallyblondeNYC
(128 posts)If you can, see if you can listen to Mayor LaGuardia and his messages to New York during air raids in WWII. The bombs were falling in London, and New Yorkers were terrified that they were next. It offers another dimension of why he was popular.
BOSSHOG
(44,111 posts)One could call it a distraction. Mamdani is not white nor Christian. Those who dont do anything for America spend a lot of time demonizing easy targets which distract from their ineptitude and incompetence. Just today lil
Mike Johnson said democrats are in disarray and are now led by a communist. If you have no shame or integrity its easy to live such an existence and say such things.
Im white and Christian and Im happy to let New Yorkers elect their Mayor.
legallyblondeNYC
(128 posts)It's a good, serious question. And here's the answer -- Management is hard. Management of New York City has unique and hard challenges. No question -- Mamdani is a gifted politician. But now it's time to govern. Snow storms. Five boroughs. Garbage management. Rivers, Atlantic Ocean, Long Island Sound. Bridges. Environmental issues. Real estate. Diverse populations that don't always get along. Remember Howard Beach? A target for terrorism - 9/11. Subways that run 24/7 and reach all 5 boroughs and 600 miles of tracks -- subject to those storms, flooding. The UN and thousands of ambassadors and staff -- from countries that hate each other -- that need protection (and a few think the rules don't apply to them). Hundreds of bridges and tunnels -- within the City. Rikers Island. Hundreds of unions with thousands and thousands of union workers. 33,000 police officers. 11,000 fire fighters. Dozens of hospitals. Almost a million school children. Blackouts. Hurricanes. Pandemics -- that enter the US through JFK and require first responders to reach 8.5 million people who are spreading an unknown disease.
Read up on what happened to Mayor Lindsay. In the 1970s, the City just about went bankrupt. Financial crisis. Crime. Grime.
That's why.
legallyblondeNYC
(128 posts)If you want to understand New York's tectonic fault lines, I suggest you watch the PBS documentary called "Hard Hat Riots." It is an excellent insight not only about NY but also how we got here as a nation.
Maru Kitteh
(31,000 posts)IcyPeas
(24,603 posts)Thank you! I never heard of the Hard Hat Riots. Looks very relevant.
betsuni
(28,545 posts)"The hardhat riot was the first major salvo in America's culture wars, and it had been planned in the Oval Office. ... Patrick Buchanan, then a Nixon aid, wrote in a memo to his boss that 'blue collar Americans' are 'our people now.' The hardhat riot revealed a deep split in America's left that had begun to show itself during the 1968 Democratic convention -- dividing the coalition of workers and progressives that Franklin D. Roosevelt had knitted together in the 1930s. It showed that working class whites could be peeled away from middle-class liberals and college-educated professionals on cultural issues involving nationalism and class as well as race and gender. ... They despised the protestors as a bunch of pampered, long-haired, draft-dodging, flag-desecrating snots. ... As the journalist Pete Hamill observed at the time, the workingman 'feels trapped and, even worse, in a society that purports to be democratic, ignored.'"
Every day here in the 21st century we're told Democrats ignore the white working class, forcing them to vote for Republicans, ignore so hard that non-white working class are voting for Republicans too. Always blame Democrats is the story and they're sticking to it no matter what reality is.
drray23
(8,503 posts)He has been a state assembly councilman since 2020. So even if he was not running the city, he was steeped in its inner workings by virtue of representing the 36th district.
Besides, he seems very smart and able to assemble a good team of experienced people. I do not think he will have any issues.
legallyblondeNYC
(128 posts)It comes with the territory -- this is New York, and it's a tough and complicated place. It's not Albany.
Doesn't mean he won't figure it out a whole bunch of things. But he's also going to have to prove himself on the daily practicalities, just like all other leaders.
Maru Kitteh
(31,000 posts)and really, following the election of any person who is not a straight white Christian male.
Mad_Machine76
(24,919 posts)What has been more confusing (and disappointing) for me is the antipathy that some Democrats have expressed towards him, particularly Schumer, Jeffries, and even Spanberger. And it goes beyond simply refusing to endorse but Spanberger, in particular, went after Mamdani so hard you'd almost think that she was a Republican.
Maru Kitteh
(31,000 posts)Its not just Republicans that are scared of him.
rogue emissary
(3,334 posts)He did not endorse Harris. Only after he won the primary did he say he voted for Harris. Knowing he marked his race as African American on a college application, some might not trust his word.
He encouraged people to leave the Presidential line blank in the New York presidential primary and was a big supporter of the uncommitted movement in Michigan's primary.
Is it so hard to believe that a bunch of Democrats aren't willing to stick their necks out for a guy who never stuck his neck out for a Democrat?
Hell, he wasn't smart enough to vote for himself on the Democratic line of the ballot. The smallest concession to Democrats who are wary of his Democratic Socialists affiliation.
So what exactly did Spanberger say that went after Mamdani?
Mamdani won, be happy he won. You seem to expect every Democrat must like him. It would be like me expecting everyone to like Harris. Mamdani proves that's not the case.
Mad_Machine76
(24,919 posts)Curses on anybody who sat on their hands and gave the election to Trump last year (or encouraged others to do so).
PufPuf23
(9,665 posts)Debra Messing is coming under fire for sharing Islamophobic memes targeted at New York City mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani.
The "Will and Grace" actress, who has publicly supported former New York City Gov. Andrew Cuomo's campaign, shared several memes and videos on her Instagram story about the election, including videos calling the assemblyman "Osama bin Mamdani" and encouraging New Yorkers to "vote no to terrorism."
She also reposted a meme that, according to Entertainment Weekly and The Independent, suggested Mamdani is "An Actual Communist Jihadist
A literal Karl Marx-quoting, America-hating jihadist." The latter post no longer appeared to be up as of Nov. 5.
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On Oct. 25, Messing posted on Instagram that she voted for Cuomo because New Yorkers "need someone with experience" and that "our city is too massive, complex, and consequential" for Mamdani, who "has never held a job." But on Tuesday, Messing reshared posts attacking Mamdani's support for Palestine and publicly identifying his volunteers. She also reshared a Truth Social post from President Donald Trump calling Mamdani a "JEW HATER" and criticizing Jewish people for voting for him.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/debra-messing-under-fire-for-sharing-meme-calling-zohran-mamdani-a-jihadist/ar-AA1PSh4a
Blasphemer
(3,531 posts)Xolodno
(7,241 posts)It's why for decades we covertly interfere with other governments that go socialist, scared to see them succeed. Because if they do, people will start embracing it and the wealthy fear that. If they are so sure of it failing, then why bother?
Hell, most don't even know that communism and socialism are two different economic systems. We know the Nordic model works and the joke:
A. They are capitalist with strong social welfare programs.
B. Then lets adopt those policies.
A. No, that's socialism.
Insult to injury, Karl Marx only gave vague ideas on socialism and communism. His main work was a critique on Capitalism which still hasn't sufficiently been countered.
China walked away from Communism and embraced the theory of Market Socialism. Vietnam followed shortly after that and I think North Korea is trying to figure out how to slowly fit into it. Some western European nations are starting to convert to it, taking the slow rout. Russia is also moving that way.
I could go on. But the top wealthiest treat Capitalism like it's some sort of religion. Society changes, values change and thus economic systems change with them. It's an evolution, not a religion. But when Mercantilism started to go out of fashion, you had people still trying to keep it as they benefit from it. Reminds me of the noble guy in charge to modernize Imperial Russia's army. All of his investments were best to keep things as is, so he reported to the Tsar nothing needed to be done. Had they modernized, they would have steamrolled over Germany in WW1.
So in short, they very wealthy elite want to keep living that way. Going equitable means they have to downsize from their twenty thousand square foot mansion.
Ping Tung
(4,002 posts)Liberty becomes a question of morals more than of politics.
Lord Acton
jmowreader
(52,778 posts)Mayor-Elect Mamdani could do some good things for the regular people who call New York City home. I don't think he'll get his whole platform instituted, but he's been a politician long enough to know that a successful public servant promises far more than can be delivered so he or she gets elected, then fights like hell to get the important promises in the platform implemented.
However, there are two factions working against him.
The first are the people who don't want him to succeed because they don't want to spend the money it'll take to get the reforms done.
The other doesn't want anyone but a white Christian male Republican in office, and Zohran Mamdani went zero-for-four on that one.
Maru Kitteh
(31,000 posts)So 1/4.
Polybius
(21,156 posts)I say give him a chance.
gab13by13
(30,624 posts)There is a rule that only a moderate can win in certain races. Like when we were told that progressive John Fetterman couldn't win in Pa., then his stroke scrambled his brain and he turned into Republican lite, but he won.
Unwashed Democrats love a populist progressive and when he has charisma he gets the young voters to vote.
Arthur_Frain
(2,256 posts)A non white man in power signifies the beginning of the end for white supremacy.
iemanja
(57,135 posts)In other words, they are stupid.
uponit7771
(93,398 posts)... one too many of them don't like that
Let's say the tax the rich part doesn't work and the government subsidized day care does ... that's stability in that area MAGA doesn't want repeated.
gab13by13
(30,624 posts)A populist progressive winning in a state where even Democrats tried to say a progressive couldn't win.
Chuck Schumer may have another populist progressive run against him in New York.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,055 posts)Maybe he'll decide to retire rather than serving to age 84.
Hekate
(100,129 posts)Orthodox Jews In New York City Defend Zohran Mamdani At Anti-Zionism Protest
legallyblondeNYC
(128 posts)I believe that this is a subset of the Ultra-Orthodox who have been against Israel's formation as a state since the early 20th Century -- but NOT because of the Palestinian question. As I understand it, they are against Zionism -- the foundation of Israel because only God can deliver the Messiah, and Jews cannot claim Israel until God does so. To them, it's blasphemy.
We the People - gotta love the First Amendment!
And yes, I love New York.
luv2fly
(2,565 posts)The post was apparently self-deleted but clearly not all DUers are thrilled with Mamdani's win either, lauding instead the victories of moderate Dems to spare the country from the evil spread of Democratic Socialism. Because you know, why would we support:
* Free elections and civil rights while aiming for greater economic equality.
* Key industries being publicly owned or heavily regulated to serve everyone, not just make profits.
* A strong social safety net, including universal healthcare, affordable housing, and education.
* Valuing workers rights and participation, promoting unions and worker ownership of businesses.
* Reducing wealth inequality while keeping individual freedoms and democratic governance intact.
Do I need the sarcasm thingy?
- insert eye roll about here -
Raftergirl
(1,758 posts)them.