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turbinetree

(26,770 posts)
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 12:29 AM Thursday

12 dead after engine fell off UPS plane that crashed and exploded in Kentucky

By BRUCE SCHREINER, HALLIE GOLDEN and DYLAN LOVAN
Updated 8:28 PM EST, November 5, 2025

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A UPS cargo plane’s left wing caught fire and an engine fell off just before it crashed and exploded after takeoff in Kentucky, a federal official said Wednesday, offering the first investigative details about a disaster that killed at least 12 people, including a child.

Finding survivors seemed unlikely as first responders searched the charred area of the crash at UPS Worldport, the company’s global aviation hub in Louisville, Gov. Andy Beshear said. The inferno consumed the enormous aircraft and spread to nearby businesses.

After being cleared for takeoff, a large fire developed in the left wing, said Todd Inman, a member of the National Transportation Safety Board, which is leading the investigation. The NTSB will now try to determine what caused the fire and why the engine fell off. It will likely take investigators more than a year to answer those questions.

https://apnews.com/article/ups-cargo-plane-explosion-louisville-deaths-af12da7f8611bad0bf0cb664de189250

And there is this reporting about the plane.......

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/louisville-ups-crash-plane-had-recent-maintenance-in-san-antonio-records-show-travel-mail-local

If the engine separated from the aircraft they are going to look for the pylon bolts............

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Ocelot II

(128,249 posts)
1. There was an accident at ORD years ago, an American Airlines DC10, where the pylon cracked
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 12:45 AM
Thursday

due to an unapproved maintenance procedure. The plane crashed shortly after takeoff. It appears that the L engine on UPS plane was already on fire when it fell off, or the separation caused the fire.

TheBlackAdder

(29,842 posts)
2. My sister was a flight attendant on that plane and due to a pervert, she had to go to HR that day.
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 01:52 AM
Thursday

Some executive guy in first class pressured her into having fun with him. She rebuffed the man and he reported her to HR to get her fired. She didn't complete her regular flight that day as she had to stop off at DFW. When she went to HR, after questioning her and giving her a hard time because she upset a customer, she quit. This was back in the day and the female flight attendants were expected to take abuse. And the rest is history. She was a mess for a while because all of her friends perished.

If I remember from one of my aviation college courses, Aircraft Powerplants, there were just three main bolts holding the engine, two for downward and one for lateral forces. The lateral force bolt failed causing the other two to shear.

TheBlackAdder

(29,842 posts)
7. The guy felt her leg and tried more but at the same time he unintentionally saved her life.
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 08:18 AM
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Ocelot II

(128,249 posts)
9. Yikes!
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:31 AM
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What an awful experience! Some asshole gropes her; she quits because management thinks FAs should have to put up with being groped, and the flight she left to go to HR crashes. Yeah, I'd be freaked out too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191

turbinetree

(26,770 posts)
11. If they changed that engine during the "heavy" maintenance and after about three weeks of take off's and landing's
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:49 AM
Thursday

and they did not install those pylon bolts correctly.............3 if memory serves me correctly 2 in the front and 1 in the back for lateral force that is going to be a problem for the people that worked on that plane , if there was an engine change.
GE and Boeing are very specific on the procedure to do that change and it normally takes about 8 hrs to 12 hrs to do if memory serves me correctly to do .
You have to remove a lot of the cowling and such and disconnect the electrical harshness and hydraulic lines and fuel lines and then to place the engine cradle and hoist that cradle up and set the engine in the cradle by releasing the bolts that are made of Inconel with AC on jack stands.
There are also reports that there was a repair to the fuel system fuel tanks.
There are many factors..............but this is extremely sad..........

Ocelot II

(128,249 posts)
12. It's a slow, complicated procedure, and in the case of the AA accident they tried to speed it up.
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 10:12 AM
Thursday
The NTSB determined that the damage to the left-wing engine pylon had occurred during an earlier engine change at the American Airlines aircraft maintenance facility in Tulsa, Oklahoma, between March 29 and 30, 1979. On those dates, the aircraft had undergone routine service, during which the engine and pylon had been removed from the wing for inspection and maintenance. The removal procedure recommended by McDonnell-Douglas called for the engine to be detached from the pylon before detaching the pylon itself from the wing. However, American, as well as Continental Airlines and United Airlines, had developed a different procedure that saved about 200 working hours per aircraft and "more importantly from a safety standpoint, it would reduce the number of disconnects (of systems such as hydraulic and fuel lines, electrical cables, and wiring) from 79 to 27." This new procedure involved the removal of the engine and pylon assembly as a single unit rather than as individual components. United's implementation involved the use of an overhead crane to support the engine/pylon assembly during removal and reinstallation. The method chosen by American and Continental relied on supporting the engine/pylon assembly with a large forklift.

If the forklift had been positioned incorrectly, the engine/pylon assembly would not be stable as it was being handled, causing it to rock like a seesaw and jam the pylon against the wing's attachment points. Forklift operators were guided only by hand and voice signals, as they could not directly see the junction between the pylon and the wing. Positioning had to be extremely accurate, or structural damage could result. Compounding the problem, maintenance work on N110AA did not go smoothly. The mechanics started disconnecting the engine and pylon as a single unit, but a shift change occurred halfway through the job. During this interval, even though the forklift remained stationary, the forks supporting the entire weight of the engine and pylon moved downward slightly due to a normal loss of hydraulic pressure associated with the forklift engine being turned off; this caused a misalignment between the engine/pylon and wing. When work was resumed, the pylon was jammed on the wing, and the forklift had to be re-positioned. Whether damage to the mount was caused by the initial downward movement of the engine/pylon structure or by the realignment attempt is unclear.  Regardless of how it happened, the resulting damage, although insufficient to cause an immediate failure, eventually developed into fatigue cracking, worsening with each takeoff and landing cycle during the eight weeks that followed. When the attachment finally failed, the engine and its pylon broke away from the wing. The structure surrounding the forward pylon mount also failed from the resulting stresses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191

turbinetree

(26,770 posts)
13. Thank you for that information it brings back memories .............at United we used the cradle from which the engine
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:16 AM
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was attached and lifted the entire cradle and engine to the wing or vise a versa to remove the engine being taken off. We had an engine change kit that we put in a LD Container specifically for engine changes if we had to fly to another airport. When we were attaching the engine to the pylon we had to make sure that we did not exceed the torque loads to the bolts.
And after we got it all together we took the plane out to to do an engine run

SoFlaBro

(3,722 posts)
3. A MAGA fuckstain caused the government shutdown which impacted fucking oversight on this fucking shit.
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 02:07 AM
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Ocelot II

(128,249 posts)
10. Unless the airplane had contained a shipment of gold plumbing fixtures
Thu Nov 6, 2025, 09:32 AM
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destined for the White House, he wouldn't.

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