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intrepidity

(8,533 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 05:06 PM Friday

Someone please remind me (about the shutdown)

When we last faced a potential shutdown, over the big ugly bill, and some Dems capitulated, one reason had to do with the funding for the courts--the argument being that the courts were the only thing keeping a check on Trump, and it wouldve been a disaster to lose that.

How is the situation today different? Couldnt we have successfully obstructed that big ugly bill in exchange for the shutdown?

What am I missing? Is this shutdown different than the one we barely missed earlier this year?

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Someone please remind me (about the shutdown) (Original Post) intrepidity Friday OP
When I worked for the Federal Courts Nictuku Friday #1
Thank you for that detail intrepidity Friday #2
I think that was the last CR Nictuku Friday #3
The last shutdown threat was well BEFORE they were ramming the 'BBB' through congress--- Jack Valentino Friday #4

Nictuku

(4,461 posts)
1. When I worked for the Federal Courts
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 06:34 PM
Friday

It was a time where the Courts were able to move some money around (according to their internal rules). If my memory serves, many court staff were furloughed, but some staff (specifically Article III Judges and their staff) were classified 'excepted' - depending on the activity and type of duties they had. It could have been called a 'skeleton krew'. It had to have something to do directly with Article III cases. I know that IT staff remained available.

This time, it seems to be more dire and lasting longer. After talking to some of my previous colleagues, even the 'excepted' employees are on Furlough, with the minimum exception that they can check email twice a day (and respond if it was an Article III task for a judge - even though it is understood that it is without pay).

Previously, all furloughed court employees did get back pay. I'm fairly sure they will again because the Federal Judiciary is not managed directly by OPM, and there is actually a law that says they must be paid. I think that TSF and Voght are going to try to pick and choose who in the Fed Gov gets paid, but I don't think they have jurisdiction over the Judiciary.

I don't think the gov shutdown was leverage when they did the BigBlowjobBill because they presented it using a process (Budget Reconcillation) that only required a majority vote, and they passed it without the need for Democratic votes.

intrepidity

(8,533 posts)
2. Thank you for that detail
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 07:05 PM
Friday

I must be misremembering something, because I remember Schumer capitulating to something back then?

Nictuku

(4,461 posts)
3. I think that was the last CR
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:24 PM
Friday

CR = A continuing resolution (CR) funding government at previous year levels.

But I think you are right. This was March (14-15) 2025 where it was passed in house and senate and signed into law a CR to take it through the fiscal year (which ends in Sept? Oct?), which is why we are here.

Back in March:

On March 15, 2025, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer decided to support a Republican funding bill to avoid a government shutdown, despite significant opposition from many Democrats who felt it gave too much power to President Trump. Schumer argued that a shutdown would have worse consequences for vulnerable Americans relying on federal programs.


Jack Valentino

(3,989 posts)
4. The last shutdown threat was well BEFORE they were ramming the 'BBB' through congress---
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 11:07 PM
Friday

in March. The big ugly bill was rammed through in July.


Trump's approval rating were still decent in March, as opposed to the sewer they are in NOW...

Although they took a lot of heat for it, in retrospect, the Senate Democrats
who voted to NOT shut the government down at that time and hold their powder
until national opposition to the Trump admin built up stronger, which it clearly has,
might not have been so 'stupid'....

Refusing to fund the government while an incoming president's "honeymoon"
is still ongoing is probably a bad political move....


That "honeymoon" is clearly over NOW....

The majority of the American people have now contacted a divorce lawyer,
and the divorce suit against Trump has been filed....


It goes to court in November 2026!

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