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drray23

(8,503 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 05:12 PM Friday

I thought lying in court had consequences?

Apparently not. In the past few days, we have had several cases of Trump officials caught lying in court. During the sandwich guy trial, for example, the officer initially said he was hit by the sandwich and it exploded on him, spraying onion and mustard, etc, on him. Turns out that the defense shows a video proving it was a lie. No consequence for that officer.

In the Bonvino case, he said that he threw tear gas after being hit by a projectile. Again, they proved in court that it was not true, and Bonvino admitted he lied. I have not heard that it had any consequences.

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I thought lying in court had consequences? (Original Post) drray23 Friday OP
Lying to a judge will catch up with you LetMyPeopleVote Friday #1
For us little people drray23 Friday #2
Nothing catches up with Maggats. Irish_Dem Friday #5
Especially the popsdenver Friday #18
No rule of law for Republicans. Irish_Dem Friday #19
It has long been a mantra of Republicans popsdenver Friday #20
They will do anything to enact their evil agenda. Irish_Dem Friday #21
It is hard to get prosecutors to go after cops for that dsc Friday #3
I think Bovino admitted to at least 3 lies to the court, in his deposition. Bev54 Friday #4
How can lying in Court be punished, 70sEraVet Friday #6
Any prosecutor would be from Bondi's DOJ. bronxiteforever Friday #7
I think judges can directly charge if its contempt drray23 Friday #9
Judges can't prosecute the case. bronxiteforever Friday #10
There are limited exceptions. drray23 Friday #11
I like the defense attorneyʻs wry comment mahina Friday #8
IOKIYAR QED Friday #12
In Trump's America, Republicans can lie with impunity. Only Democrats will be prosecuted. surfered Friday #13
NIIIYAAR 3825-87867 Friday #14
Laws are for Democrats.... lastlib Friday #15
Not always right away but the statute of limitations and jurisdiction may allow filing charges years later ChicagoTeamster Friday #16
So the injunction is his consequence? questionseverything Saturday #27
They represent the privileged class BaronChocula Friday #17
That's just because MW67 Friday #22
This message was self-deleted by its author BidenRocks Friday #23
First - if a witness perjures himself, that is a separate charge - in a separate trial Ms. Toad Friday #24
I thought a judge could hold people ( jail them) for contempt of court questionseverything Saturday #28
I count on people lying in court. TomSlick Friday #25
I believe the sandwich guy agent HappyH Friday #26

popsdenver

(980 posts)
18. Especially the
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 06:45 PM
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biased, corrupt, Republican, Appointed Judges swarming in the Appellate Courts.....

And even more true in the USSC......

dsc

(53,254 posts)
3. It is hard to get prosecutors to go after cops for that
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 05:22 PM
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because they depend upon them for their cases. It should be noted in both cases the perjury greatly harmed their cases.

70sEraVet

(5,111 posts)
6. How can lying in Court be punished,
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 05:35 PM
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when you have Supreme Court Justices who blatantly lied during their confirmation hearings??
Telling 'alternate truths' (that is, statements that can only be truths in an alternate universe) are apparently acceptable now.

drray23

(8,503 posts)
11. There are limited exceptions.
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 05:56 PM
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In the case of criminal contempt, judges can name a special prosecutor if DOJ refuses.

It's the so-called rule 42:

Rule 42: The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (Rule 42) was amended in 2002 to specifically allow for this practice in criminal contempt cases.

Granted this seems extreme and I don't know if a judge ever invoked it. It's a sign of our times with this rogue DOJ that this kind of thing is being discussed.

mahina

(20,145 posts)
8. I like the defense attorneyʻs wry comment
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 05:40 PM
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That a bulletproof jacket was probably sufficient to protect him from a sandwich. Paraphrased.

ChicagoTeamster

(148 posts)
16. Not always right away but the statute of limitations and jurisdiction may allow filing charges years later
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 06:36 PM
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Spoke too soon, Bovino got consequences


BaronChocula

(3,747 posts)
17. They represent the privileged class
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 06:44 PM
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Ya know. You have to mitigate consequences dealt to them.

(the tear gas lie was just cited a minute ago on Ari)

MW67

(66 posts)
22. That's just because
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 07:20 PM
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The criminals are in control of the government, and the sad news is there won't be any justice or accountability until they are no longer in control , also no one will stop them until the vast majority of people rise up against them, it's up to us

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Ms. Toad

(37,980 posts)
24. First - if a witness perjures himself, that is a separate charge - in a separate trial
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 07:35 PM
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As to the sandwich guy, I assume you are talking about the claimed explosion since I just watched the video - and the sandwich did hit the officer. Whether it exploded or not isn't material to the charge of battery. Battery doesn't get established (or the level of offense changed) based on whether the battery was messy. The perjury must be as to a material fact to be a crime, and that lie wasn't material.

As to the second - it would be up to the local prosecutor to charge Bonvino with perjury.

TomSlick

(12,806 posts)
25. I count on people lying in court.
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 07:43 PM
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I've never seen anyone charged with perjury but it surely pisses off judges and juries.

That's why I always tell clients that if a lawyer asks a question with a court reporter present, they not only know the answer but can prove it.

HappyH

(144 posts)
26. I believe the sandwich guy agent
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:50 PM
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He did find condiments and a piece of onion on his vest. Just not from an imaginary sandwich explosion, I’m damn sure the federal agent ate that sandwich when no one was looking.

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