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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI thought lying in court had consequences?
Apparently not. In the past few days, we have had several cases of Trump officials caught lying in court. During the sandwich guy trial, for example, the officer initially said he was hit by the sandwich and it exploded on him, spraying onion and mustard, etc, on him. Turns out that the defense shows a video proving it was a lie. No consequence for that officer.
In the Bonvino case, he said that he threw tear gas after being hit by a projectile. Again, they proved in court that it was not true, and Bonvino admitted he lied. I have not heard that it had any consequences.
LetMyPeopleVote
(172,486 posts)drray23
(8,503 posts)But so far for the Trump clique it does not matter.
Irish_Dem
(77,815 posts)popsdenver
(980 posts)biased, corrupt, Republican, Appointed Judges swarming in the Appellate Courts.....
And even more true in the USSC......
Irish_Dem
(77,815 posts)popsdenver
(980 posts)that their means justifies the end result.....
Irish_Dem
(77,815 posts)And make no bones about it.
dsc
(53,254 posts)because they depend upon them for their cases. It should be noted in both cases the perjury greatly harmed their cases.
Bev54
(13,024 posts)70sEraVet
(5,111 posts)when you have Supreme Court Justices who blatantly lied during their confirmation hearings??
Telling 'alternate truths' (that is, statements that can only be truths in an alternate universe) are apparently acceptable now.
bronxiteforever
(10,953 posts)She wont approve charges.
drray23
(8,503 posts)And it happens in front of them in court.
bronxiteforever
(10,953 posts)drray23
(8,503 posts)In the case of criminal contempt, judges can name a special prosecutor if DOJ refuses.
It's the so-called rule 42:
Rule 42: The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (Rule 42) was amended in 2002 to specifically allow for this practice in criminal contempt cases.
Granted this seems extreme and I don't know if a judge ever invoked it. It's a sign of our times with this rogue DOJ that this kind of thing is being discussed.
mahina
(20,145 posts)That a bulletproof jacket was probably sufficient to protect him from a sandwich. Paraphrased.
surfered
(10,255 posts)3825-87867
(1,707 posts)Nothing Is Illegal If You Are A Republican
lastlib
(27,103 posts)Haven't you been keeping up?
ChicagoTeamster
(148 posts)Spoke too soon, Bovino got consequences
questionseverything
(11,473 posts)Help me understand this
BaronChocula
(3,747 posts)Ya know. You have to mitigate consequences dealt to them.
(the tear gas lie was just cited a minute ago on Ari)
MW67
(66 posts)The criminals are in control of the government, and the sad news is there won't be any justice or accountability until they are no longer in control , also no one will stop them until the vast majority of people rise up against them, it's up to us
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Ms. Toad
(37,980 posts)As to the sandwich guy, I assume you are talking about the claimed explosion since I just watched the video - and the sandwich did hit the officer. Whether it exploded or not isn't material to the charge of battery. Battery doesn't get established (or the level of offense changed) based on whether the battery was messy. The perjury must be as to a material fact to be a crime, and that lie wasn't material.
As to the second - it would be up to the local prosecutor to charge Bonvino with perjury.
questionseverything
(11,473 posts)TomSlick
(12,806 posts)I've never seen anyone charged with perjury but it surely pisses off judges and juries.
That's why I always tell clients that if a lawyer asks a question with a court reporter present, they not only know the answer but can prove it.
HappyH
(144 posts)He did find condiments and a piece of onion on his vest. Just not from an imaginary sandwich explosion, Im damn sure the federal agent ate that sandwich when no one was looking.