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spooky3

(38,132 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 07:31 PM Friday

Here's something I don't get:

Someone in media says something like: “Polls show (white) men still are much more likely to support Rs than Ds. So, Ds need to find ways to reach out to and appeal to those men.”

But someone else may say: “A substantial proportion of white women support Rs. So, what is wrong with them?”

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Scrivener7

(57,775 posts)
1. I begin to think we should stop looking at the voting population in segments and just say,
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 07:39 PM
Friday

"Terrible, terrible people are more likely to vote for Rs than Ds. It can't matter to us anymore what terrible, terrible people think. People who are not terrible should stay away from the terrible people. People who are not terrible should just work together to do the right thing."

FHRRK

(1,302 posts)
5. That sums it up
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 08:04 PM
Friday

I look back (technically a Boomer, definitely white) and think what could I have been done differently.

Never fell for Repub bs, certainly never voted for a repub.

What I didn’t always do, was to call out friends and neighbors for idiotic and often racist comment.

Not anymore, taking the Truman approach, if they end up disliking or hating me, fine, it will be a badge of honor.

Looking at the results from Tuesday, one thing is clear. White people are the problem, the only group across the board that voted R. They need to be treated like the entitled, racist people that THEY, chose to become.

Scrivener7

(57,775 posts)
16. But that's my point. No. Not white people. White people who vote for republicans.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 08:37 AM
Saturday

To blame any group that has dedicated Democratic voters divides us.

This is a tough needle to thread, and I am guessing I'll be accused of saying, "Not all white people," and admittedly I am.

But I think we need to look at each other differently. For example, there has been a lot of press about 48% of Latinos voting for Cankles. It has led to a lot of comments about Latinos becoming republican, and having terrible terrible motivations to vote for terrible terrible things. But that means the 52% who are with us and voting for the right things are seldom mentioned and are almost forgotten.

ETA: I think iemanja below is saying what I'm trying to, but much better. She says: "the statement assumes white voters are more important despite the fact Democrats just kicked Republicans' asses."

We need to stop assigning any importance to those who vote against us. We need to stop trying to woo them and stop thinking they have ANYTHING to teach us. We have things to teach them. We need only to look to ourselves. To the white people, the Latinos, the black men who have NOT turned their backs on decency. Perhaps the only demographic we should be looking at for information and motivation is black women, the vast majority of whom always vote for the decent thing.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
6. Perhaps
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 08:11 PM
Friday

it is a comment on the distinct social status that white men and white women have in today's society. I'm not sure there is any other reason.

walkingman

(10,088 posts)
7. I think it is a complex issue that does involve race but not just racial identity. More like...
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 08:33 PM
Friday

Preferences for president might be explained not just by racial identity but also where you live, example Mass. vs Miss. Another recent example would be Mamdani's election in NY - he might not have won in another blue, more moderate state/city.

I think another of the issues that determines outcomes is the racial balance in both districts and states. In districts that are dominantly people of color there is a greater likelihood that a person of color will win, and likewise with the white population. This fact alone shows that we desperately need a new "voting rights act" to ensure that the way we draw districts does not decrease the political opportunity of minorities and people of color.

Also, there are large gaps in voter registration rates between white eligible voters and eligible voters of color. The best cure for this is automatic voter registration...like when getting a driver's license or something similar.


walkingman

(10,088 posts)
15. That is a good point - I got off track with my comment. I think it definitely is a mistake
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 10:54 PM
Friday

to have thought that women would have supported Harris in the last election simply based on the Dobbs ruling - which I think was the issue. It gave the impression that women were one issue voters rather than intelligent and thoughtful voters that need a reason to vote or change their vote.

I hope this is a lesson learned going forward. Give people a clear reason to support the party, not just vote against someone. A good example would be to push universal child care, etc.

Ilikepurple

(384 posts)
8. Could it be that a large segment of the media has and has had a preference for the white male voice?
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:18 PM
Friday

And perhaps the segments that don’t have such a preference, wonder why white women would vote for a party that doesn’t fully recognize their human agency? I might be misunderstanding your question, but if it’s why we must change for white men and white women must change for us (I.e., Democratic Party), then I think it’s often centrists and right wingers that ask the former and those further on the left that ask the latter. I leave room for those who inconsistently apply standards to the various sexes or believe we’ve done enough for white women but not white men. Why would somebody vote against their interests? Fooled by propaganda? Racist? Maybe out of fear of losing a privileged social status? White men might still face poverty, but they are kinda promised dominion over their castle and its inhabitants. Many of the white women that do vote R could be protecting the comparatively privileged status they have compared to other marginalized groups. Preeminence, even if minor, has never been a tough sell.

BootinUp

(50,623 posts)
9. Don't make it too complicated. Many of the reachable but unreliable
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:35 PM
Friday

avoid paying attention to politics and real news. Their views are formed by others around them and they may or may not vote. If they are voting it is because of their current views on economics/taxes, immigration, government programs, to name the big ones that come to mind. If you want to win their votes don't get blamed for inflation or other "problems", rather you are going to need some luck when it is all said and done.

spooky3

(38,132 posts)
10. I think my point is that I believe media advice should not differ by gender. If white men are not supporting Ds
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:49 PM
Friday

in sufficient numbers, and white women are not, either, then don't dismiss women as stupid, relatively unimportant or unreachable, etc., while indicating that the problem is that the Ds must work harder to attract white men.

BootinUp

(50,623 posts)
13. The serious news media doesn't have the power it once had really.
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:58 PM
Friday

They have lost a lot of their audience to the more junky providers of infotainment.

betsuni

(28,545 posts)
12. Men assumed to be reasonable, you just have to explain things to them so Democrats must explain harder.
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 09:55 PM
Friday

Women are emotional and they should know not to vote against their own interests anyway because of female intuition and identity politics or something so what's wrong with them.

A theory.

iemanja

(57,135 posts)
14. The statement assumes white voters are more important
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 10:44 PM
Friday

Despite the fact Democrats just kicked Republicans’ asses.

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