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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(12,106 posts)
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 08:27 AM Saturday

Cleaning Woman Killed in Indiana Shooting After Arriving at Wrong Home

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/whitestown-indiana-shooting-cleaner-dead.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zk8.gnV3.foST4AIu6okI&smid=url-share

The shooting of the woman, an immigrant from Guatemala, took place on Wednesday in Indiana, a state with a “stand your ground” law.



The police in Whitestown, Ind., the small but growing town where the shooting took place, said that two residents had been inside the home that morning when the cleaners arrived. The residents believed their home was possibly being broken into and called 911. In the five minutes between the call and when the police arrived, one of the residents fired from inside the home and struck the woman in the head, officials said.

Detectives are now trying to track down exactly what happened, and prosecutors are preparing to review whether to file charges.

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Mr. Ríos Pérez said that his sister and her husband were going to clean a new client’s home on Wednesday. The husband, who later described the moments leading up to the shooting to Mr. Ríos Pérez, said that he had struggled to open the door and that his wife had then taken the keys from him, teasing him for not being able to get it unlocked. Seconds later, she was shot in the head, Mr. Ríos Pérez said.

The family later discovered that the house they had been hired to clean was behind the one they had tried to enter, he said.
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Cleaning Woman Killed in Indiana Shooting After Arriving at Wrong Home (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Saturday OP
Just awful. bamagal62 Saturday #1
First response was to call 911. Igel Saturday #7
If this tragedy was due to an erroneous app, I hope the husband sues the app maker (Google Maps?) out of business. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Saturday #2
Might be an address issue. Igel Saturday #8
Actually, In The City Where I Grew Up ... ProfessorGAC Saturday #13
How about suing the shooter? Kaleva Saturday #10
Yes, that too. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Saturday #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Saturday #11
Owning a firearm comes with great responsibility. JohnnyRingo Saturday #3
If she was shot through the door by someone inside the house. I can't see doc03 Saturday #4
This article says she was shot through the door Kaleva Saturday #12
First heard this on Thom Hartmann. Prairie_Seagull Saturday #5
Reminds me of the Japanese student shot when he went to the wrong JI7 Saturday #6
It's also the culture that Charlie Kirk promoted. Iggo Saturday #9

bamagal62

(4,267 posts)
1. Just awful.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:04 AM
Saturday

You just never know now. It’s sad that the first reaction of the homeowner(s) was to shoot. It would have been so simple just to ask. Now someone’s husband, mother, sister, or friend is dead.

Igel

(37,204 posts)
7. First response was to call 911.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:22 AM
Saturday

Not shoot.

I also don't know what was going through the shooter's head, what the evaluation of the relative risk was. Were there stories about home invasion robberies? Burglaries in the area? Did the shooter suspect that maybe the would-be intruders were armed--perhaps with a gun, perhaps knife or mace or just a club or fists? How old was the shooter? 75? 35?

Dunno. The police pointed out that with a breakdown in community standards as to what's 'reasonable' there's a larger problem. (Research has been done on how community cohesion breaks down when competing values are held by the community members. Takes a surprisingly small percentage of the population to be at odds with the dominant culture for that to happen. For many younger adults, that kind of tension is just normal and worth it, even as they express a lot of alienation towards society--they don't know anything else but humans are wired for cohesive social groups.)

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,492 posts)
2. If this tragedy was due to an erroneous app, I hope the husband sues the app maker (Google Maps?) out of business.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:22 AM
Saturday

Never, ever trust a cellphone/computer app to be accurate regarding addresses.

Igel

(37,204 posts)
8. Might be an address issue.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:28 AM
Saturday

When I moved away from home and was looking for a rental with a buddy who also needed a roommate to share expenses we looked at places. "103B Griffith Street," for example, wasn't the house in front but the house or outside entrance in back through a gate. The problem was that the usual assumption is that the backyard goes with the house in front, not that there were two separate houses rented by the same owner, and that "103B" should be a side-by-side duplex or obvious set of houses. Not a house where the front and back were separated out so the back half's 'front door' faces the alley.

We appreciated the occasional sign that indicated that the "B" address was in the back.

ProfessorGAC

(75,190 posts)
13. Actually, In The City Where I Grew Up ...
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 03:40 PM
Saturday

...if an address had a letter it meant the house was behind the other one. Duplexes have 2 separate numbered addresses in every time around here.
Apartments have one address, then the apartment #.
Apparently, the way addresses are assigned differs by locality.

Response to RedWhiteBlueIsRacist (Reply #2)

JohnnyRingo

(20,270 posts)
3. Owning a firearm comes with great responsibility.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:22 AM
Saturday

That responsibility includes knowing your target before you pull the trigger. Shooting through a door is assault and shooting anyone just for being on your property is murder.

In a sane world one would have to know their life was in peril, unlikely if a cleaning crew jiggles the door handle. "Shoot first" is not an attitude for a gun owner and often leads to charges.

doc03

(38,632 posts)
4. If she was shot through the door by someone inside the house. I can't see
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:25 AM
Saturday

it being "Stand your gound"

Prairie_Seagull

(4,553 posts)
5. First heard this on Thom Hartmann.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:38 AM
Saturday

I believe this type of 'accidental shootings' would be lessened by an insurance policy or rider to homeowners insurance. To cover the liabilities involved with gun ownership. When an individual or home is covered an insurance company would try to lessen their own liability by assessing risk and applying mitigations.

Hope I have explained this correctly and well enough.

JI7

(92,944 posts)
6. Reminds me of the Japanese student shot when he went to the wrong
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:41 AM
Saturday

house for a Halloween party.

This is the culture that got Charlie Kirk killed also.

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