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lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:24 AM Nov 8

Zohran Mandani did not vote for himself on the Democratic Party line on election day.

Politico is reporting that, according to a spokesman, Mamdani voted for himself on a third party ballot line.





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Zohran Mandani did not vote for himself on the Democratic Party line on election day. (Original Post) lapucelle Nov 8 OP
Seems reasonable to me. yardwork Nov 8 #1
Yes, I saw it as a way of saying thank you. ananda Nov 8 #97
Nothing wrong with that SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #2
Our two party system is a barrier in so many ways. yardwork Nov 8 #6
It really isn't. W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #27
They align with Dems edhopper Nov 8 #44
And therefore Mamdani voting Democratic would not have impacted them much... W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #56
The WFPis not divisive edhopper Nov 8 #58
Again, I'm not criticizing WFP here -- I'm criticizing Mamdani's response to a loaded question. W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #68
I see. edhopper Nov 8 #86
More parties might lead to more pressure to BlueKota Nov 8 #30
The requirement to hold informal coalitions together is a huge flaw thought crime Nov 9 #118
Yes I usually WFP on next office down. IbogaProject Nov 8 #34
If it were against Andrew Cuomo SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #40
So what? NoRethugFriends Nov 8 #3
Don't care. Happy Hoosier Nov 8 #4
This was one of his first tests as mayor-elect and he did not pass. W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #46
I think you're reading way too much into this. yardwork Nov 8 #98
Feel free to bookmark my post and check back around this time next year. W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #109
Glad he won, but just as much as it pisses me off that so many Democratic leaders didn't endorse him or Scrivener7 Nov 8 #5
I disagree. yardwork Nov 8 #9
The disloyalty of "leave it blank" was a big consideration for some who delayed or who gave a perfunctory endorsement. QueerDuck Nov 8 #15
Schumer should have SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #26
Mamdani did not get President Obama's endorsement. lapucelle Nov 8 #43
Looks like Obama made the right decision after this report about Mamdani. W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #47
I thought he was smart enough to follow the AOC path, the one leading to a future in politics. betsuni Nov 8 #80
AOC seemed to learn relatively early on that you have to work with others to accomplish anything in a democracy. W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #87
Has Obama endorsed a candidate before? SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #49
Yes. President Obama endorsed Bill de Blasio in 2013 and Bill Thompson in 2009. lapucelle Nov 8 #63
When was President SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #69
You asked whether Obama has ever endorsed a NYC mayoral candidate "before". The answer is "yes". lapucelle Nov 8 #76
Yes he did SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #81
Obama has integrity. He's an honorable man... QueerDuck Nov 8 #95
If ANY Democratic leader is directly asked what they think of ANY Democratic primary winner, the endorsement should be Scrivener7 Nov 8 #71
Does that include Tom Suozzi SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #73
After their next primary, if the Democratic voters in their district have spoken and chosen them? Yes it does. Scrivener7 Nov 8 #75
No but this is SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #77
Yes. He was. And as I said, I don't like him not voting in the Dem line. Scrivener7 Nov 8 #78
Cool SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #83
That's nice. Scrivener7 Nov 8 #84
Thanks SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #88
OMG how dare he!!!! JonAndKatePlusABird Nov 8 #7
OK markodochartaigh Nov 8 #8
I was a huge fan of Mario Cuomo BlueKota Nov 8 #35
If markodochartaigh Nov 8 #89
No he did not. BlueKota Nov 8 #99
I think he forgot the sarcasm tag IbogaProject Nov 8 #36
And............? Nanjeanne Nov 8 #10
Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only Ping Tung Nov 8 #11
Hasn't Bernie been doing this for years? nt Wounded Bear Nov 8 #12
Sanders runs in the primary unopposed as a Democrat and then declines the nomination. lapucelle Nov 8 #14
Gaming the system? Or a middle finger to the party? QueerDuck Nov 8 #16
Whatever. The people in his state seem to be OK with it... Wounded Bear Nov 8 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck Nov 8 #18
For now, yes. But I think it sets a bad example and only serves to weaken the party in the long run. QueerDuck Nov 8 #19
If there is one lesson we need to take from Tuesday's victories... Wounded Bear Nov 8 #23
National politics are not local. Third parties are spoilers that weaken and divide and benefit the GOP. QueerDuck Nov 8 #31
Didn't even have to look to figure out this one's favorite group NoRethugFriends Nov 8 #72
Seriously?? Why the contempt for the Democratic party? He used the party machinery to run for office... QueerDuck Nov 8 #13
The WFP edhopper Nov 8 #21
Oh brother... the "would you rather" type of evasive response generally indicates a position of weakness... QueerDuck Nov 8 #29
No edhopper Nov 8 #38
Unless, of course, they accidently run Republicans in general elections. lapucelle Nov 8 #52
No. What they are saying is "the Democrats are not worth your vote." It depresses turnout and... QueerDuck Nov 8 #53
You are wrong edhopper Nov 8 #59
What contempt? Can you show me the contempt on this doll? Is the contempt in the room with us right now? Iggo Nov 8 #66
HA! 🤣😂🤪 QueerDuck Nov 8 #70
I also voted for him edhopper Nov 8 #20
Last year the NYS WFP accidently nominated a Republican spoiler lapucelle Nov 8 #23
accidently edhopper Nov 8 #41
So folks need to be careful who they vote for on the WFP's ballot line. lapucelle Nov 8 #45
A lot of assumbtions there edhopper Nov 8 #50
What assumptions are there? lapucelle Nov 8 #57
If the vote does not benefit the Democrat, then it benefits the Republican. QueerDuck Nov 8 #110
The WFP did not nominate Frascone Quiet Em Nov 8 #96
Republican Francone was the WFP nominee in the 2024 general election. That's a simple fact. lapucelle Nov 8 #103
The Republicans gamed the system. I'll agree with that. Quiet Em Nov 8 #108
NYWFP puts in a lot of the ground work to get Democrats elected in New York State Quiet Em Nov 8 #22
I'm a DNC member in NYS. I know all about the Working Family Party and what they do lapucelle Nov 8 #37
Do you think they did more to get Mamdani elected than actual Democrats? W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #39
I think they play a role in helping elect Democrats in NYS. Quiet Em Nov 8 #48
I don't fault WFP for what they did -- I fault Mamdani for what he did, or at least his answer to the question. W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #54
I don't know. Quiet Em Nov 8 #62
please notice that politico says it was stated by Mamdani's campaign niyad Nov 8 #92
I do know that. And that is the same as coming from Mamdani himself. Hence "spokesman." W_HAMILTON Nov 8 #93
Since it is politico, I would want to hear from Mayor-elect Mamdani himself. niyad Nov 8 #94
So he'd be in violation of TOS if he tried to post here Shrek Nov 8 #25
How would he be in violation? niyad Nov 8 #28
Members are required to support Democrats Shrek Nov 8 #32
And again, I say how? He is not attacking Democrats. niyad Nov 8 #42
How? Emile Nov 8 #33
"not a good look" this is a message board my dude WhiskeyGrinder Nov 8 #60
I don't think that's loyal enough to our party gulliver Nov 8 #51
So, How Does Anyone Know That? MineralMan Nov 8 #55
Politico's Albany reporter attributes the information to a Mamdani campaign spokesperson. lapucelle Nov 8 #74
It's a thing in NY that people who support the WFP vote on that line because if they Raftergirl Nov 8 #61
I'm well aware of the WFP machinations in NYS. They ran "Leave It Blank" in the Democratic presidential primary in 2024. lapucelle Nov 8 #90
Wow, what a surprise. Nixie Nov 8 #64
Yep...don't care. Iggo Nov 8 #65
We also have a Conservative Party in NY and every R is also cross endorsed with them. So some people choose Raftergirl Nov 8 #67
The Conservative Party did not cross-endorse the Republican candidate for mayor in 2025. lapucelle Nov 8 #91
Not always cross endorsed but often. All the R's in my town election were crossed endorsed by Conservative Party. Raftergirl Nov 8 #100
So it is not true that "every R is also cross endorsed with [the Consevative Party candidate], lapucelle Nov 8 #104
Ok. Most R's are cross endorsed. Better? Raftergirl Nov 8 #105
Absolutely better. It's important to keep track of what third parties are actually up to, lapucelle Nov 8 #107
I voted all on third party in my county here Historic NY Nov 8 #79
Innnteresting. Seems like this thread did what it was intended to do. Scrivener7 Nov 8 #82
ADL creates new 'Mamdani Monitor' project to track his administration policies Ping Tung Nov 8 #85
Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of attacking Arab, Black, and queer people. Celerity Nov 8 #101
Agreed. And, they're making very little effort to hide their own bigotry. Ping Tung Nov 8 #102
Fuck terrorist-adjacent Emmaia Gelman and her anti-ADL screed. lapucelle Nov 8 #106
Canary Mission: Trump officials used shadowy website to target pro-Palestinian academics for deportation, court Celerity Nov 8 #111
It's a disgusting very unAmerican McCarthyite Hate Site vanessa_ca Nov 8 #112
Yes, it is dismaying to see it pushed here. Celerity Nov 8 #113
The vile celebration of the October 7 slaughter comes staight from vile terrorist-adjacent Emmaia Gelman's Instagram lapucelle Nov 8 #116
I don't care one way or the other but I bet that is bullshit. Demsrule86 Nov 8 #114
NYS has a fusion voting system. A candidate can appear on more than one ballot line. lapucelle Nov 8 #117
Don't care orangecrush Nov 8 #115

yardwork

(68,967 posts)
1. Seems reasonable to me.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:29 AM
Nov 8

It's a symbolic gesture that honors the third party who backed him from the beginning.

I think it says that Mamdani remembers who his allies are and takes the time to repay them. That's a good politician.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,814 posts)
2. Nothing wrong with that
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:31 AM
Nov 8

The Working Families party usually backs who ever the Democratic party candidate is. I've voted on their line myself a few times.

yardwork

(68,967 posts)
6. Our two party system is a barrier in so many ways.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:39 AM
Nov 8

It's too bad our Congress doesn't have coalitions of many parties. There are several positives about that system:

1. Voters can choose parties that align more closely with their views. The Republican Party might not have gone MAGA if right wing voters had had a Tea Party to vote for.

2. Americans might have a better understanding of the political process if they watched a bunch of minority parties have to form coalition governments.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
27. It really isn't.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:54 AM
Nov 8

Screw three parties, screw four parties, screw a dozen parties, screw 100 parties -- let's each be our own party. A party of one. Because odds are you will never agree with someone as much as yourself, right?

But guess what? A party of one isn't going to accomplish jack shit when you need a majority to pass legislation, which is exactly why we organize ourselves into coalitions where we can form a majority to enact policy.

Those on the left that think all our ills will be cured with a second major party on the left (1) fail to realize they will still need to caucus with Democrats to get anything accomplished and (2) fail to realize our third parties on the left end of the spectrum are even shittier.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
56. And therefore Mamdani voting Democratic would not have impacted them much...
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:40 AM
Nov 8

...but you can guarantee it will impact some Democrats that are sick and goddamn tired of these unnecessary divisions and thought that we had finally put the divisiveness of a freaking mayoral race in super-blue NYC behind us and then this news story comes out.

EDIT: Hell, he could have voted WFP and simply had a much better answer to the question or diverted into an answer like, "I'm focused on affordability" like he did for many other questions from reporters trying to bait him into answers like these that will only hurt him.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
68. Again, I'm not criticizing WFP here -- I'm criticizing Mamdani's response to a loaded question.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:06 PM
Nov 8

It was completely unnecessary.

BlueKota

(5,041 posts)
30. More parties might lead to more pressure to
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:59 AM
Nov 8

come up with rational compromises rather than the it's our way or the highway system the Republicans are currently running.

thought crime

(1,193 posts)
118. The requirement to hold informal coalitions together is a huge flaw
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:51 PM
Nov 9

The parliamentary system where formal coalitions are created after an election works much better for exactly the reasons you gave.

IbogaProject

(5,614 posts)
34. Yes I usually WFP on next office down.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:01 AM
Nov 8

But Working Families did nominate Zephyr Teachout one Governors race against our nominee.

Happy Hoosier

(9,402 posts)
4. Don't care.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:38 AM
Nov 8

I mean the DSA can gargle my... But Mamadani can be a generational leader. Let’s see what he does with this victory. He needs to focus on competent leadership and execution.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
46. This was one of his first tests as mayor-elect and he did not pass.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:22 AM
Nov 8

He could have simply not taken the bait.

We have watched for damn near a decade now where dividing our party has only hurt us.

You can bet that the more moderate Representatives that have to run for reelection in much more purple/red areas than NYC aren't happy with Jeffries endorsement of Mamdani, especially after a report like this comes out.

Never mind that this is also a middle finger to a lot of Democrats that DID support him and are goddamn tired of the self-owns our side continues to make by continuing to divide those of us on the left.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
109. Feel free to bookmark my post and check back around this time next year.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 04:21 PM
Nov 8

When Republicans run against Mandani rather than their Democratic opponent in purple/red districts next year and those Democrats go after Mamdani to prove they are not him and then some on the left get pissed at those Democrats and attack them and we have even more of this unnecessary in-fighting that has especially screwed us over for the past decade...

Again, this in-fighting only helps Republicans. It has not helped enact more substantive progressive policies and it has resulted in the premature political career endings of some of the worst moderate offenders. It helps Republicans get elected.

Scrivener7

(58,296 posts)
5. Glad he won, but just as much as it pisses me off that so many Democratic leaders didn't endorse him or
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:39 AM
Nov 8

gave him late and tepid endorsements, this pisses me off too.

yardwork

(68,967 posts)
9. I disagree.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:44 AM
Nov 8

First, I don't think Democratic leaders gave him "tepid or late" endorsements.

And it doesn't bother me at all that Mamdani honored the third party that endorsed him in the primary.

I'm very happy that he won. I'm taking the victory and feeling hopeful about it. I'm not using it as an opportunity to grouse.

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
15. The disloyalty of "leave it blank" was a big consideration for some who delayed or who gave a perfunctory endorsement.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:24 AM
Nov 8

SocialDemocrat61

(6,814 posts)
26. Schumer should have
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:53 AM
Nov 8

And there is no such thing as a late endorsement. Endorsement are part of a campaign strategy. If they all come at the start of a campaign, they are forgotten by election day. Some think ones done closer to actual voting have more impact. Case in point: Obama didn't endorse Spanberger and Sherrill until mid-October.

As far as Mamdani, most of those who didn't endorse him, don't live in NYC and have never made an endorsement in a Mayor's race ever before. But he still got a lot of endorsements:
https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2025/11/endorsements-2025-nyc-mayoral-general-election/406718/

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
43. Mamdani did not get President Obama's endorsement.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:14 AM
Nov 8
Obama stops short of endorsing Zohran Mamdani as New York City mayoral race winds down

Former President Barack Obama has praised Zohran Mamdani's campaign for New York City mayor, but he's stopped short of endorsing him. CBS News political reporter Hunter Woodall has more.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/obama-stops-short-of-endorsing-zohran-mamdani-as-new-york-city-mayoral-race-winds-down/

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
47. Looks like Obama made the right decision after this report about Mamdani.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:28 AM
Nov 8

Even though the two often campaign together, there are drastic differences between AOC and Bernie Sanders -- and this move by Mamdani makes me think that he is planning to follow the Sanders path rather than the AOC path, which would not only be to his political detriment, but also to all those NYCers (and others) that are hoping he can bring actual substantive progressive change when he takes office.

betsuni

(28,705 posts)
80. I thought he was smart enough to follow the AOC path, the one leading to a future in politics.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:28 PM
Nov 8

Hope he does, hope and change.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
87. AOC seemed to learn relatively early on that you have to work with others to accomplish anything in a democracy.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:46 PM
Nov 8

There's a saying that goes something like:

"If you want to go fast, go alone.
If you want to go far, go together."


All of those claiming to be on the left side of the spectrum need to realize we need to stick together and stop falling for these divisive tactics that have led to far too many Republican victories over the years.

It hasn't led to more progressive policy victories like "accelerationists" further on the left thought it would, it led to sooner-than-expected ends of political careers for Manchin/Sinema/Golden (Fetterman next?) and other moderates that too often seemed to attack those they caucus with rather than fascist Republicans, etc.

These constant skirmishes by the various factions on the left need to end. IT ONLY HELPS REPUBLICANS, HOW CAN THEY (those claiming to be on the left) NOT SEE THIS?! IT'S NOT WORKING FOR US!

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
63. Yes. President Obama endorsed Bill de Blasio in 2013 and Bill Thompson in 2009.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:53 AM
Nov 8
Obama endorses de Blasio, with purpose

It was announced in a statement released by the de Blasio campaign (which is, incidentally, studded with former Obama staffers) in which the president cited key de Blasio legislative goals, like universal pre-kindergarten, as a reason he’ll be “a great mayor.”

The wording could give de Blasio a boost as he seeks to rally state lawmakers in support of his school plan, which will require Albany to raise taxes on the rich to pay for it, giving Democratic legislators, and Governor Andrew Cuomo, some cover for going along with it.

And for Obama, there’s no downside. Polls show de Blasio with a solid lead over Republican Joe Lhota, and he had no reason to be late in embracing the man who stands to become the city’s first Democratic mayor in two decades.

Obama’s statement said, in part: “Progressive change is the centerpiece of Bill de Blasio’s vision for New York City, and it’s why he will be a great mayor of America’s largest city. Whether it’s ensuring pre-kindergarten is available for every four-year old, expanding after-school programs for every middle school student who wants and needs them, making affordable housing available for more New York families and preserving community hospitals, Bill’s agenda for New York is marked by bold, courageous ideas that address the great challenges of our time.”

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2013/09/obama-endorses-de-blasio-with-purpose-009000

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
76. You asked whether Obama has ever endorsed a NYC mayoral candidate "before". The answer is "yes".
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:22 PM
Nov 8

SocialDemocrat61

(6,814 posts)
81. Yes he did
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:28 PM
Nov 8

Not denying that. Just noting that it was when he was President and leader of the party.

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
95. Obama has integrity. He's an honorable man...
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 01:49 PM
Nov 8

and leader. He knows the importance of party loyalty.

Scrivener7

(58,296 posts)
71. If ANY Democratic leader is directly asked what they think of ANY Democratic primary winner, the endorsement should be
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:14 PM
Nov 8

immediate and gushing.

A number of Democratic leaders were asked about Mamdani after the primary and were coy or avoided answering. That became a headline every time.

They should know better than to shoot themselves - and the rest of us - in the foot. Yes. They don't have to come out unbidden and endorse. But when asked directly, and when the person in question has won their Democratic primary, it's asinine not to give them full-throated support.

And some of our leaders failed to do that.

Scrivener7

(58,296 posts)
75. After their next primary, if the Democratic voters in their district have spoken and chosen them? Yes it does.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:20 PM
Nov 8

Was that supposed to be a gotcha?

Scrivener7

(58,296 posts)
78. Yes. He was. And as I said, I don't like him not voting in the Dem line.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:26 PM
Nov 8

But I'm still glad he won.

See? Sometimes we can hold two thoughts in our head at the same time.
YMMV

SocialDemocrat61

(6,814 posts)
83. Cool
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:36 PM
Nov 8

Nice to know you’re consistent.

For me, I don’t believe in grievance shopping or purity tests. They are divisive and only help republicans. I live in NYC and voted for Mamdani, twice. As far as I’m concerned anyone who doesn’t live in New York is not obligated to automatically endorse local candidates here.

I hold Schumer responsible for not doing so. But Pete Buttigieg or Gavin Newsom, I don’t care. We should focus on fighting republicans, not democrats.

markodochartaigh

(5,026 posts)
8. OK
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:43 AM
Nov 8

Now let's hear your opprobrium toward Cuomo who ran against the Democratic party candidate, and those Democratic voters who voted against the candidate chosen in the Democratic primary.

Or doesn't "Vote Blue, no matter who" apply if the candidate is to the left of your personal position?

markodochartaigh

(5,026 posts)
89. If
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:46 PM
Nov 8

I recall correctly, Mario Cuomo never ran against the Democratic candidate in a general election.

BlueKota

(5,041 posts)
99. No he did not.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 02:17 PM
Nov 8

He once did an appearance on Oprah when she brought her show to New York City. President Reagan had asked him to conduct evacuation drills in the state in case of a Nuclear accident or attack. Oprah asked him how he responded. He said, "with all due respect Mr. President, I am not going to lie to the people of my state. If either of those two things happen the likelihood of anyone being able to survive let alone escape are most likely less than zero. " He then said he
told the president he should come witness people trying to get out of Manhattan during rush hour, and still look them in the eyes and say "oh of course evacuation, after a nuclear disaster is possible. " Of course Raygun wasn't pleased, but Cuomo shut him up with that response. From that day on I respected Governor Cuomo for his leadership and honesty with the citizens of New York State. The same could not be said of Andrew.

Ping Tung

(4,138 posts)
11. Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:07 AM
Nov 8
Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only, no matter how big its membership may be is, no freedom at all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently.
Rosa Luxemburg

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
14. Sanders runs in the primary unopposed as a Democrat and then declines the nomination.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:23 AM
Nov 8
For his 2006, 2012, and 2018 Senate campaigns in Vermont, Sanders ran in the Democratic primary, won it, but then declined the nomination and ran in the general election as an independent.


-------------------------------------------------------------

Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination in Vermont — but he won’t accept it if he wins.

The famously independent senator, who briefly joined the Democratic Party to run in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary only to un-enroll later, officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that he’ll pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.

The move makes it virtually impossible for another Democrat to seek the party’s nod. And it allows Sanders to loom large in the party primary in August, but still preserve his independence.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrat-independent-vermont-601844

Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #17)

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
19. For now, yes. But I think it sets a bad example and only serves to weaken the party in the long run.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:38 AM
Nov 8

Wounded Bear

(63,833 posts)
23. If there is one lesson we need to take from Tuesday's victories...
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:50 AM
Nov 8

It is the old axiom that all politics are local. If the majority of the voters accept a candidate, there isn't a lot that the national party can do about it. What they can do is oppose them and/or refuse to support them, which generally means that a Repub will win that race, which I think we can all agree is a bad thing.

Looking at the big picture, if some 3rd party candidate wins an election, we need to see if we can cooperate to get progressive values enacted into law wherever possible.

We're the big tent party, I choose to act like that.

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
31. National politics are not local. Third parties are spoilers that weaken and divide and benefit the GOP.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:59 AM
Nov 8

Don't encourage it. Don't make excuses for it.

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
13. Seriously?? Why the contempt for the Democratic party? He used the party machinery to run for office...
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:22 AM
Nov 8
and win the DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S nomination, right? So why the spite? That's some Nina Turner level of hate right there. What good purpose would such a petty act of "defiance" and snubbing the party serve? Can someone help me to understand this man? That's certainly not the type of behavior I'd expect from someone who wants to find strength through unity. It's definitely not a way to help grow the party or to encourage others to support the party. It was a poor decision even before he takes his oath of office. This has echoes of the leave it blank philosophy and contempt for the party.

Does this "help" the NYWFP? Is this one of those situations where if a "third party" candidate (??) gets enough votes on their line, then the party qualifies for matching funds or a guaranteed seat at the debate table, or something like that?

If so, something like that only serves to weaken and dilute the Democratic party's support. I don't understand why he would do that? Can anyone explain?

edhopper

(37,058 posts)
21. The WFP
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:44 AM
Nov 8

is a progressive voice that aligns with the Democrats. I voted for him on their line myself. Or would you rather the Cuomo, wealthy donor wing of the NY Dems be the only voice in the Party?

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
29. Oh brother... the "would you rather" type of evasive response generally indicates a position of weakness...
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:58 AM
Nov 8

and is mean to convey a false and incorrect choice of "either/or" when attempting to turn-the-tables on someone they disagree with. (Sigh.)

Oh well. In spite of what Stein, Nader, Turner (etc) would have others believe, any support of third parties or third-party candidates only serves to benefit the GOP and to weaken the Democratic party. It doesn't matter to me if a third-party "aligns with" the goals of the Democrats, they aren't Democrats. So, it would be safe to say that I'm a loyal Democrat and I'll only vote for Democrats.

edhopper

(37,058 posts)
38. No
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:08 AM
Nov 8

they don't run alternative candidates. The support Dems and push them to be progressive.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
52. Unless, of course, they accidently run Republicans in general elections.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:34 AM
Nov 8

Last edited Sat Nov 8, 2025, 02:59 PM - Edit history (1)

They nominated a random Republican to run against Democrat Mondaire Jones in the 2024 NY-17 general election.

Republican Mike Lawler wound up retaining his seat.

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
53. No. What they are saying is "the Democrats are not worth your vote." It depresses turnout and...
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:34 AM
Nov 8

suppresses support for the party. They are pushing the "both sides are corrupt" philosophy.

Iggo

(49,650 posts)
66. What contempt? Can you show me the contempt on this doll? Is the contempt in the room with us right now?
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:00 PM
Nov 8

edhopper

(37,058 posts)
20. I also voted for him
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:40 AM
Nov 8

on the Working Families Party line. It is a very good progressive group that is aligned with the Democrats.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
23. Last year the NYS WFP accidently nominated a Republican spoiler
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:50 AM
Nov 8
WFP launches new attack ad against WFP candidate

A new digital ad from the New York Working Families Party is asking the party’s supporters in the 17th Congressional District to cast ballots against its own congressional nominee, Anthony Frascone. The ad labels Frascone, a former registered Republican, a “fake candidate” and accuses him of working as a spoiler to benefit Republican incumbent Rep. Mike Lawler.

Frascone unexpectedly won the WFP nomination earlier this year over former Rep. Mondaire Jones, the candidate the WFP actually endorsed for the seat. Jones is still on the ballot, but only on the Democratic line, not the WFP line. Rather than confuse voters, the WFP is encouraging voters in the district to vote on the Democratic line up and down the ballot.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2024/10/wfp-launches-new-attack-ad-against-wfp-candidate/400666/

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
45. So folks need to be careful who they vote for on the WFP's ballot line.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:22 AM
Nov 8

How embarrassing for a political party to be played like that by Republicans.

The third party WFP had to spend the money its followers donated to run ads against its own candidate. That's incompetence at its most basic level.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
57. What assumptions are there?
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:44 AM
Nov 8

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I stated facts and made a reasonable inference.

- WPF accidentally nominated a Republican to run in the NY-17 general election for a congressional seat
- WFP spent donor money on attack ads against its own candidate in a mad scramble to undo the damage

Reasonable inference: Accidentally nominating a spoiler candidate and then having to spend donated funds to campaign against the candidate it nominated demonstrates basic incompetence on the part of third party Working Family Party.

QueerDuck

(1,016 posts)
110. If the vote does not benefit the Democrat, then it benefits the Republican.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 04:38 PM
Nov 8

Incompetence, indeed. Was it an "accident" or were they winking? Spoiler candidates and sabotage are no accident.

Quiet Em

(2,536 posts)
96. The WFP did not nominate Frascone
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 01:57 PM
Nov 8
Anthony Frascone never applied for the WFP endorsement. He is a conservative with a
checkered personal history who never intended to be a real candidate of the Working
Families Party. Unbeknownst to the WFP and Jones’ campaign, Frascone and his associates
registered a few hundred Rockland county residents as Working Families Party registrants for
the sole purpose of collecting enough petition signatures to put Frascone on the ballot and
force a surprise WFP primary for congressional district 17.

Since the WFP rarely has primary elections, real Working Families party registrants are not
accustomed to voting in June primaries. Most of the people who voted in the WFP June
primary were those Frascone and his team had recently registered as WFP voters.



https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000192-acb6-d419-a5f2-acb7ad2c0000

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
103. Republican Francone was the WFP nominee in the 2024 general election. That's a simple fact.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 02:54 PM
Nov 8

After Jones endorsed George Latimar in his primary against Jamaal Bowman, the WFP publicly rescinded its endorsement of and all electoral support for Mondaire Jones in the 2024 NY-17 primary. That left the door wide open for Republicans to game NY's primary system.

So yes, the WFP did actually accidentally nominate a Republican who did run as the candidate on the WFP ballot line in the 2024 NY-17 congressional election.

WFP candidate Republican Anthony Frascone received 2% of the vote in the general election.




Quiet Em

(2,536 posts)
108. The Republicans gamed the system. I'll agree with that.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 03:59 PM
Nov 8

And Mondaire Jones was not the only candidate harmed by this Republican dirty stunt.

They did it to Elijah Reichlin-Melnick as well.

Quiet Em

(2,536 posts)
22. NYWFP puts in a lot of the ground work to get Democrats elected in New York State
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:45 AM
Nov 8

They are a great group. They need to get a small percentage of the vote or a number of votes in order to keep their ballot line.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
37. I'm a DNC member in NYS. I know all about the Working Family Party and what they do
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:06 AM
Nov 8

to preserve their third party ballot line in New York elections.

Quiet Em

(2,536 posts)
48. I think they play a role in helping elect Democrats in NYS.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:28 AM
Nov 8

I can only speak of my county, but WFP nearly always endorses the Democratic primary winning candidate in the general election and places the primary winning candidate on their general election line.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
54. I don't fault WFP for what they did -- I fault Mamdani for what he did, or at least his answer to the question.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:34 AM
Nov 8

Like it or not, this does not further party unity and, knowing how politics works, it will definitely cause further dissension as I'm sure some of the more moderate Representatives that aren't blessed to have constituents as left-leaning as NYC will now criticize Mamdani for this, separate themselves from Jeffries's endorsement, etc. Like I said, it will only lead to more party disunity and that ultimately only benefits Republicans.

Quiet Em

(2,536 posts)
62. I don't know.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:52 AM
Nov 8

The only time I remember any potential friction happening, at least in my county, was the 2018 gubernatorial election. Cuomo won the primary and was the Democratic candidate. WFP did consider putting Cynthia Nixon on the WFP general election ballot line but in the end they placed Cuomo on the WFP line to avoid chaos and harm to the Democratic candidate.

Mamdani is being criticized, often unfairly, by many, for many reasons, but I think he is quite sincere in building bridges and coalitions and is committed to listening to and working with all Democrats. I'm certain the WFP did a lot of the ground work for him in NYC and helped him win his mayoral election and he probably wanted to show his appreciation for their efforts by voting on their line.

W_HAMILTON

(10,060 posts)
93. I do know that. And that is the same as coming from Mamdani himself. Hence "spokesman."
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 01:42 PM
Nov 8

If Mamdani walks it back or fires the spokesman, then you may have a point, in which case I would revisit my criticism if warranted.

niyad

(129,527 posts)
94. Since it is politico, I would want to hear from Mayor-elect Mamdani himself.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 01:45 PM
Nov 8

You are, of course, free to view it however you choose.

Shrek

(4,390 posts)
32. Members are required to support Democrats
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:01 AM
Nov 8

And he voted for the Working Families Party.

I guess you could make the case that it doesn't matter since he represented both parties, but he intentionally elected not to vote on the Democratic line.

gulliver

(13,713 posts)
51. I don't think that's loyal enough to our party
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:32 AM
Nov 8

"We brung him to the dance." The Democratic Party, my party, has important goals. If he dissed us by, effectively, voting against our party while voting for himself, I'd say he weakened us. If the story is true, he voted against us. He put someone else over us. It doesn't matter if that someone else "usually" votes with us. They're not us. (By their own choice.) It's unacceptable, imo.

MineralMan

(150,626 posts)
55. So, How Does Anyone Know That?
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:37 AM
Nov 8

Unless the Mayor-Elect disclosed his vote, nobody should know how he marked his ballot.

I'm skeptical.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
74. Politico's Albany reporter attributes the information to a Mamdani campaign spokesperson.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:19 PM
Nov 8
[Mamdani] voted for himself on the WFP ballot line, according to Politico reporter Jason Beeferman, who cited a Mamdani campaign spokesperson.

amNewYork reached out to the Mamdani campaign for a response, but did not receive one prior to publication.

https://www.amny.com/politics/mamdani-working-families-ballot-line-voting/



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Poltico's Albany reporter Jason Beeferman was one of the reporters who broke the story about the racist, pro-Nazi Young Republican message chains on Telegram.

Raftergirl

(1,804 posts)
61. It's a thing in NY that people who support the WFP vote on that line because if they
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:51 AM
Nov 8

don’t get enough votes in elections they get taken off the ballot, iirc.

I’m a strong D so always just vote on the D line.

But to each their own.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
90. I'm well aware of the WFP machinations in NYS. They ran "Leave It Blank" in the Democratic presidential primary in 2024.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 01:15 PM
Nov 8

WFP pivots to the Democratic nominee in the general (regardless of who or what they ran in the primary) to garner the requisite number of votes necessary to to keep their ballot line active.

And then when Democrats win, WFP can claim victory.


Raftergirl

(1,804 posts)
67. We also have a Conservative Party in NY and every R is also cross endorsed with them. So some people choose
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:05 PM
Nov 8

to vote for the R candidate on that line.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
91. The Conservative Party did not cross-endorse the Republican candidate for mayor in 2025.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 01:39 PM
Nov 8

Irene Estrada ran for mayor on the Conservative Party ballot line.

https://ballotpedia.org/Irene_Estrada

Raftergirl

(1,804 posts)
100. Not always cross endorsed but often. All the R's in my town election were crossed endorsed by Conservative Party.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 02:19 PM
Nov 8

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
104. So it is not true that "every R is also cross endorsed with [the Consevative Party candidate],
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 02:57 PM
Nov 8

and it wasn't true in the 2025 NYC mayoral election.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
107. Absolutely better. It's important to keep track of what third parties are actually up to,
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 03:58 PM
Nov 8

especially here in NYS which has a fusion voting system.

Historic NY

(39,642 posts)
79. I voted all on third party in my county here
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:26 PM
Nov 8

for years Repukes have been using the Independence Party label to confuse voters thinking they were Independent. I voted on the Working Families Line

Ping Tung

(4,138 posts)
85. ADL creates new 'Mamdani Monitor' project to track his administration policies
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:41 PM
Nov 8

Already? What's the purpose? Do they view Madmani as antii-Semitic and dangerous to Jews?

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/07/nx-s1-5599931/anti-defamation-league-mamdani-monitor-jonathan-greenblatt

The leader of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), an organization that fights antisemitism, is explaining his group's decision to set up a special project to monitor Zohran Mamdani, the mayor-elect of New York City.

Mamdani is the first Muslim and person of South Asian descent elected to lead the nation's largest city, which includes a Jewish population of well over 1 million people. He is also a critic of Israel and its war in Gaza. After his victory, the ADL took an unprecedented step: announcing an "initiative to track and monitor Mamdani administration policies and appointments."

The project includes tracking actions by Mamdani's administration "that impact Jewish community safety and security." The ADL's announcement also said it was setting up a citywide tip line for people to report antisemitic incidents in New York.

The project includes tracking actions by Mamdani's administration "that impact Jewish community safety and security." The ADL's announcement also said it was setting up a citywide tip line for people to report antisemitic incidents in New York.

Celerity

(53,666 posts)
101. Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of attacking Arab, Black, and queer people.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 02:27 PM
Nov 8


The Anti-Defamation League Is Not What It Seems

https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/emmaia-gelman-anti-defamation-league/

May 23, 2019

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The ADL’s persistent power in U.S. politics has been strangely unaffected by its history, probably because that history is so little known. The Ilhan Omar debate should be shaped by at least two aspects of it. The first is that the ADL has consistently sought to undermine the left, leveling a charge akin to dual loyalty: that the American left’s calls for redistribution of power, its solidarity with global movements, and its prioritization of people over states threaten the very concept of the state. Indeed the ADL, in addition to its stated mission of shoring up U.S. support for Israel, is deeply loyal to the U.S. state. The second is that the ADL has waged a long, vigorous, and successful campaign, alongside AIPAC, specifically to characterize Arab American political organizing as dual loyalty.

This history is particularly important because despite losing this particular battle with Omar and identifying more openly with the right (consider, for instance, the ADL’s celebration of Trump’s Jerusalem embassy move), the ADL is experiencing a renaissance in its visibility, influence, and fundraising power among well-meaning liberals. It is fueled by the new national interest in white supremacy, which the ADL has long surveilled and researched, and which the FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have been charged to ignore in favor of targeting Muslim communities. (The ADL advocated surveilling both.) The ADL’s ubiquity in U.S. discussions of white supremacy is exceeded only by the Klan’s: more than two-thirds of the 46,000 articles on white supremacists or white nationalists posted in the past year have referenced the ADL. That coverage has spiked by 1500 percent in 2019 alone, based on Factiva database searches for terms “white nationalist” and “white supremacist.”



At a time when it should be easier to see the ADL as a conservative knowledge production agency, a resurgence of concern with “hate” has only consolidated its power. The ADL’s power to mobilize against black leadership does not rest on leveraging anxieties about anti-Semitism. It draws instead on the ADL’s much broader authority it has won over anti-black, anti-immigrant, and anti-queer “hate.” It is a quasi-state role that the ADL developed in just a decade, throughout the 1980s: the period of collective U.S. desperation about white supremacist violence preceding the one we are in.

Like other major Jewish organizations (and unlike the many Jewish leftist organizations that have existed in opposition to it), the ADL has evinced a strong allegiance with the U.S. state. It was committed to its civilizing mission of settlement, and to capitalist individualism as the framework for rights. In addition to keeping watch over threats to the state—Nazism, Communism, or demands for equality that went too far—the ADL sought out or welcomed ways to participate in the administration of the state. It collaborated with the House Un-American Activities Committee in the late 1940s and 1950s; it also tried and largely failed for several decades to interest the FBI in considering it a partner in monitoring threats. (FBI files made public under Freedom of Information Act requests document some of these efforts.) It found an opening in civil rights work where, ten years after the Voting Rights Act, ongoing racial conflict and white supremacist violence produced a new wave of demands for state action.

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lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
106. Fuck terrorist-adjacent Emmaia Gelman and her anti-ADL screed.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 03:56 PM
Nov 8

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There are still screen shots of her now-deleted October 8, 2023 celebratory Instagram posts.

The day after the October 7 attack, Gelman published a celebratory post on Instagram that included images of Hamas fighters bulldozing through the Israel-Gaza border. She expressed that she was “[e]xcited for millions of Americans who have nodded along with land acknowledgements to get behind this, and resist cries that actual decolonization (but not Israeli ethnic cleansing) is somehow ‘too much.’” Responding to a reply that, “They murdered 250 kids at a music festival, Emmaia,” she remarked, in part, that “there are very few deaths that I’d celebrate, but many uprisings against terrible, impossible conditions [...] resulted in deaths, including unjust deaths.”





https://www.adl.org/resources/article/institute-critical-study-zionism-five-things-know

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Same screenshots of the same vile terrorist apologist, this time from a left-center source: the ADL.











Celerity

(53,666 posts)
111. Canary Mission: Trump officials used shadowy website to target pro-Palestinian academics for deportation, court
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 06:10 PM
Nov 8
records show

The unsealed court records also reveal how deeply involved Trump aide Stephen Miller was in the effort to revoke the visas of pro-Palestinian academics.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/09/pro-palestinian-deportation-documents-trial-00445238

As the Trump administration identified pro-Palestinian academics to target for deportation, it relied heavily on an anonymously-run pro-Israel website that has been criticized for doxxing, according to newly unsealed court documents and testimony at an ongoing trial.

To support President Donald Trump’s deportation drive, the Department of Homeland Security assembled a “tiger team” of intelligence analysts who built dossiers on about 100 foreign students and scholars engaged in pro-Palestinian activity, the records show.

More than 75 of those people were identified by the shadowy website Canary Mission, according to deposition testimony unveiled this week in a case challenging the Trump administration’s targeting of pro-Palestinian scholars.

The federal judge currently overseeing a trial in the case unsealed the deposition transcripts, which contain hundreds of pages of sworn testimony by administration officials about the campus deportation effort. Some of the details in the transcripts were fleshed out in open court Wednesday as administration officials began to be called to the witness stand.

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Canary Mission

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Mission

Canary Mission is an anonymously run doxing[1][2] website established in 2014 that smears[2] and publishes the personal information of students, professors, and organizations that it describes as anti-Israel or antisemitic, focusing primarily on people at North American universities.[3][4][5] Critics have described it as weaponizing the accusation of antisemitism in order to silence critique of Israel.[1]

Canary Mission's published materials have been described as a blacklist.[6][7] Profiles are publicly-available online and intended for wide use, and Canary Mission may actively send them to employers.[8] Known users of the profiles include Israeli intelligence organizations Ministry of Strategic Affairs[1][9][10] and Shin Bet,[1] which interrogate and deny entry to American citizens.[10][11][12] In March 2025, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other US federal agents detained and attempted to deport multiple international students with Canary Mission profiles.[13] Canary Mission's work is controversial.[6][14][7] Its tactics have been compared to McCarthyism[15][5] and the makeup and reliability of its profiles have been questioned.

Collaboration with government authorities

Allegations have been made that Israeli intelligence organizations, such as the Shin Bet, use Canary Mission profiles.[1] The Ministry of Strategic Affairs[1][16][10] used a Canary Mission profile during the attempted deportation proceedings against Lara Alqasem.[17] The Israeli government has been accused of using Canary Mission data at border control.[18][10][19][12] In March 2025, multiple foreign students with Canary Mission profiles were detained by the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement for allegations of supporting terror.[13] Canary Mission has also been accused of working with the FBI.[20]

2025 federal trial admission

In July 2025, a senior official from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) testified in a federal trial that his team used Canary Mission as a source to investigate a number of student protesters that were foreign nationals.[21] Court records from a federal lawsuit revealed that senior Trump administration officials relied heavily on Canary Mission, in order to identify foreign students and academics who violated the terms of their visa.[22][23][24]

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Dear Legal Community,

It is my goal that Berkeley Law be an environment where all ideas and views can be expressed. This includes speech on controversial issues and even expression that might offend others. I want to do all I can to facilitate and protect that speech. I therefore have been very upset to see that some of our students have been threatened and harassed because they chose to exercise their First Amendment rights.

Some of our students, particularly those supporting the Law Students for Justice in Palestine, have been targeted by Canary Mission. Canary Mission is an extremist website that declares that its purpose is to document “people and groups that promote hatred of the USA, Israel and Jews.” The website does this by publicizing the names, pictures, social media accounts, and other personal information of those whose views it disagrees with it. It says that its intent is keeping “today’s radicals from becoming tomorrow’s employees.”

I condemn this targeting of particular students because of their speech with the goal of harming their employment opportunities. It has caused great injury to our students and our community. This targeting of students because of their views undermines our desire to be a place where difficult issues can be debated and where students feel comfortable taking political positions. Students have reported removing particular experiences from their resumes and refusing to participate in groups and/or events that they would otherwise be interested in because of Canary Mission’s targeted attempt to affect their employment outcomes.

Although I may disagree with some of my students’ views on specific issues, it is my firm belief that the Canary Mission website should not be used as a resource to evaluate students’ qualifications for hiring. If Berkeley Law students are barred from employment opportunities for exercising their First Amendment rights, it will have the grave effect of chilling speech and stifling the exchange of ideas on campus.

Sincerely,

Erwin Chemerinsky
Dean and Jesse H. Choper Distinguished Professor of Law
University of California, Berkeley School of Law




Jewish students: A blacklist of BDS supporters is hurting our efforts to defend Israel on campus

Canary Mission is making it easier for BDS-affiliated legislation to pass, write student activists from across the country.


https://www.jta.org/2018/04/23/ideas/jewish-students-blacklist-bds-supporters-hurting-efforts-defend-israel-campus

(JTA) — We are Jewish and pro-Israel students who are active within our Jewish communities on college campuses across North America. Many of us have helped organize against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions-affiliated movements throughout our time on campus.

Over the course of our time fighting BDS campaigns, Canary Mission was brought to our attention repeatedly. Canary Mission is an anonymous site that blacklists individuals and professors across the country for their support of the BDS movement, presumed anti-Semitic remarks and hateful rhetoric against Israel and the United States.

As a group of conscientious students on the front lines fighting BDS on our campuses, we are compelled to speak out against this website because it uses intimidation tactics, is antithetical to our democratic and Jewish values, is counterproductive to our efforts and is morally reprehensible.

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However, we believe that promoting a negative perception of Muslims, particularly Muslim students on our campuses, as Canary Mission does, is similarly hateful. As students on the front lines, we hope that Jewish and pro-Israel communal organizations will trust us and work more collaboratively with us to handle this fight in a credible, respectful and moral manner among our student communities. We believe that Canary Mission is antithetical and destructive to our shared cause of supporting Israel and eliminating anti-Semitism on campus. Instead, we expect credible Jewish and pro-Israel communal organizations to help us combat anti-Semitism on college campuses, and around the world, in a diplomatic manner that seeks to protect our community rather than shaming the other side anonymously, as Canary Mission does.

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vanessa_ca

(614 posts)
112. It's a disgusting very unAmerican McCarthyite Hate Site
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 06:26 PM
Nov 8
Canary Mission is an anonymously run doxing[1][2] website established in 2014 that smears[2] and publishes the personal information of students, professors, and organizations that it describes as anti-Israel or antisemitic, focusing primarily on people at North American universities.[3][4][5] Critics have described it as weaponizing the accusation of antisemitism in order to silence critique of Israel.[1]

Canary Mission's published materials have been described as a blacklist.[6][7] Profiles are publicly-available online and intended for wide use, and Canary Mission may actively send them to employers.[8] Known users of the profiles include Israeli intelligence organizations Ministry of Strategic Affairs[1][9][10] and Shin Bet,[1] which interrogate and deny entry to American citizens.[10][11][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Mission


Several members of my synagogue are on it for having signed a letter against Netanyahu's war crimes. It's nothing but a doxxing site run by rightwingers and genocide supporters.

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
116. The vile celebration of the October 7 slaughter comes staight from vile terrorist-adjacent Emmaia Gelman's Instagram
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 06:59 PM
Nov 8

in real time. The terrorist-adjacent coward scrubbed her social media posts and made her accounts private., but the screen grabs live on.

Little wonder she's no longer teaching. She's disgusting beyond words.















Demsrule86

(71,492 posts)
114. I don't care one way or the other but I bet that is bullshit.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 06:52 PM
Nov 8

As far as I know a persons name can appear but once. They are unhinged. Did you know Mikey said the new mayor somehowShut down the government?

lapucelle

(20,947 posts)
117. NYS has a fusion voting system. A candidate can appear on more than one ballot line.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 07:10 PM
Nov 8
How does fusion voting work?

If a candidate receives more than one party nomination, voters must choose not only the candidate they prefer but also the party they want those votes to count for.

In the 2025 mayoral election, both Mamdani and one of his opponents, Sliwa, secured nominations of two parties, so they are listed twice on the ballot.

Mamdani won nominations from the Democratic Party and the left-wing Working Families Party. (On Election Day, Mamdani said he voted for himself on the Working Families Party line.)

Sliwa won the nomination of the Republican Party and a party he created called the Protect Animals Party. (Sliwa has attracted notice for having 16 cats in his 320-square-foot studio apartment, and he’s made animal welfare a key campaign issue.)

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/nov/04/elon-musk/new-york-city-mayor-election-ballot-fusion/

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