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H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:25 PM Saturday

Intervention

“Be a good neighbor. If my garden is ready before yours, we should share mine now, and yours later. Too many people don't understand the power of sharing. You have to remember that all of the earth is the Creator's garden, and he shares it with us. That's why I say that sharing is divine intervention.”
Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman

There has been some interesting discussion regarding Justice Jackson's ruling. I'd like to focus on something that we should recognize as extremely important when it comes to the administration's cruel withholding of SNAP benefits. It is something that is actually closely related to Democratic victories on Tuesday.

In a healthy society, no one goes hungry based upon group identity. It is a symptom of a sick society when such a thing happens. I think we can all agree that the administration is diseased. However a sign of health is found in the current community responses.

In my region, which I dare say is not unique, there are very public efforts to collect and distribute food to those in need. There are a wide range of groups and individuals participating in this effort. The groups that organize the rallies my friends and I have attended in recent months are meeting the needs in two counties. High school students and teachers in a four county area are doing the same. There are civic and church groups active in this effort.

It's true that a human shit stain like Stephen Miller will hold that government has no need to feed the poor, that it is a community's responsibility. Fuck you, Stephen. We already do when we pay taxes. (Not that I didn't respect the Black Panther Party's providing a breakfast for school children. I liked a lot of the BPP's ideas.)

Community organizing in response to the maga cruelty is extremely important. What is being done today will help to continue progress at restoring a healthy society in the mid-term elections. It is an important part of the intervention we need to stop the madness.

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"government has no need to feed the poor" bucolic_frolic Saturday #1
Very good! H2O Man Saturday #2
Nice! Acres of land in a river bottom...soil must be rich as heck! SWBTATTReg Saturday #3
It sure is. H2O Man Saturday #8
These are the things that restore sanity and health in society. malaise Saturday #7
I think there is H2O Man Saturday #11
Bob speaks for me - we need to SNAP out of it malaise Sunday #16
Punkin juice! GreenWave Saturday #5
I'm hoping it's large enough for seeds bucolic_frolic Saturday #9
I used to H2O Man Saturday #12
Words of a Christian Nation lame54 Saturday #6
I remember when H2O Man Saturday #13
Your last paragraph gives me real hope - by working together, for each other, we can mend the wounds. erronis Saturday #4
I like to think H2O Man Saturday #14
They claim to be Christians as they sue to keep food from the hungry. spanone Saturday #10
You might find H2O Man Saturday #15

bucolic_frolic

(53,229 posts)
1. "government has no need to feed the poor"
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:31 PM
Saturday

The poor to the extent they are able, will find alternatives. Production for household use where they can. Quite by accident this year I had a zucchini vine growing in my lawn. I have no idea where it came from. It was a late plant, maybe around June 1. Well, it wasn't a zucchini, it turned out to be a pumpkin, and the plant is now frost-bitten, the pumpkin is orange/green, a bit larger than a softball. But, it's edible!

My lawn next year will sprout many vegetable plants, zucchini, squash, pumpkin, cucumbers. They can't tax them. Yet. Czarist Russia taxed the peasants output, I think. we'll probably head toward that system.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
2. Very good!
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 12:40 PM
Saturday

I always have a garden. It is more important for me now, considering the price of groceries. There are also "community gardens" in my region in rural, upstate New York. One positive thing is a local couple, around my chilodren's ages, bought an old farm with acres of river flats. People who help with the work there get a good share of produce. Most of the rest goes to a food co-op they run in a nearby village.

These are the things that restore sanity and health in society.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
8. It sure is.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 03:09 PM
Saturday

I identify the projectile points etc they find when the ground is plowed. There was a seasonal hamlet on a plateau on the field. While some of the artifacts pre-date agriculture the oldest I've seen there dates about 5,000 bc -- those same fields were used for gardens for many centuries. Thus, I show them where long ago, they accessed the river to water the crops.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
11. I think there is
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:13 PM
Saturday

benefit to following the wisdom found in Isaiah 58: 7-8:

"Share your bread with the hungry
and bring the homeless poor into your house;
when you see the naked, cover him ....
Then shall your light break forth like dawn
and your healing shall spring up speedily"

That is, of course, the exact opposite of the maga agenda.

malaise

(291,007 posts)
16. Bob speaks for me - we need to SNAP out of it
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 06:36 AM
Sunday

Through political strategy.
They keep us hungry
And when you gonna get some food,
Your brother got to be your enemy.
Bob Marley.

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bucolic_frolic

(53,229 posts)
9. I'm hoping it's large enough for seeds
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 03:09 PM
Saturday

I can't find pumpkin butter. Time was no one thought about it.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
12. I used to
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:19 PM
Saturday

make a lot of pumpkin bread. I've never made the butter, but that sounds interesting. I'll try it next year, after growing the now-dehydrated seeds from this year. I rarely have to buy any types of seeds any more.

I always try to leave a few out at the end of the season for the deer in the winter. Likewise, I leave the majority of the sunflowers out for birds in the frigid weather. Cheaper than only buying bird food, plus enough seeds get dropped that another crop comes up in the spring.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
13. I remember when
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:20 PM
Saturday

Rubin spoke about their ilk, saying that there was absolutely no good within them.

erronis

(21,903 posts)
4. Your last paragraph gives me real hope - by working together, for each other, we can mend the wounds.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 02:17 PM
Saturday

The more that communities across this country help one another the stronger the ties of humanity, caring, and empathy.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
14. I like to think
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:28 PM
Saturday

of it like seeds are being planted. Many things may grow. For just one example, I'm thinking about the high school students in my region that are distributing food to the needy. They know there is a crisis due to the administration and congressional republicans' cruelty. Many of them will be of voting age in 2028. I suspect they won't vote for the cruel party.

And I definitely agree with you on the stronger ties of humanity, caring, and empathy.

H2O Man

(78,253 posts)
15. You might find
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:45 PM
Saturday

the 1643 writings of missionary John Heckewelder interesting:

"Whatever liveth on the land, whatsoever growth out of the earth, and allthat is in the rivers and waters flowing through the same, was given jointly to all, and everyone is entitled to his share. From this principle, hospitality flows as from its source. With them it is not a virtue but a strict duty. Hence they are never in search of excuses to avoid giving, but freely supply their neighbor's wants from the stack prepared for their own use. They give and are hospitable to all without exception, and will always share with other and often with strangers, even to their last morsel. They rather would lie down themselves on an empty stomach, than have it laid to teir charge that they neglected their duty, bu not satisfying the wants of the stranger, the sick, or the needy."

There are numerous other writings from the colonial period where the authors point out that the Indians embodied Christian values in a manner and to a degree that the Euro-Americans -- those my late brother called "European boat people" -- did not.

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