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Celerity

(53,014 posts)
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 07:50 PM Saturday

Why Does Schumer Keep Trying to Cave?

How the Senate Democratic leader and his Gang of Eight keep trying to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.


https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/


Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., speaks to reporters about Democratic victories on Election Day, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2025, day 36 of the government shutdown. Credit: AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite

Most commentators, including me, concluded that the Tuesday election victory saved Democrats from capitulating to Republican demands to pass a simple continuing resolution to re-open the government, in exchange for vague assurances of a vote on Affordable Care Act subsidies that amount to nothing. But my reporting finds that at the Thursday meeting of the Senate Democratic caucus, two days after the election, Democrats very nearly capitulated once again.

Here’s what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were free-lancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily. At Thursday’s meeting, they told their caucus colleagues that they now had ten votes to re-open the government in exchange for no real Republican concessions. At that, much of the rest of the caucus went ballistic, and some of the supposed ten said that, in fact, they were not willing to vote for any such deal. The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down.

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The mystery is why Schumer keeps flirting with capitulation in exchange for nothing. Democrats have the political momentum, Republicans are divided, and a majority of voters blame Republicans for the shutdown. Schumer himself faces a likely primary challenge for his own Senate seat. He is even more vulnerable if he presides over a Democratic capitulation.

Equally bizarre is Shaheen’s game, since she is not even running for re-election when her term expires in 2026. She is on the Appropriations Committee, and part of the weak Republican offer is to pass the appropriations bills that have gone through the committee on a bipartisan basis. Clearly, Shaheen is more concerned with getting those bills done than using important leverage to protect the signature Democratic legislative achievement of this century. Even when Schumer and centrist Democrats have been dealt a strong hand, these are the sort of players who would fold a royal flush.

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Why Does Schumer Keep Trying to Cave? (Original Post) Celerity Saturday OP
B/c he is never punished for his failures and capitulations with a loss of position. RockRaven Saturday #1
Democrat Who Caved on Shutdown Says Chuck Schumer Knew All Along Celerity Monday #60
Because he's weak. Chuck is no Harry Reid Historic NY Saturday #2
Reid caved to Mitch and we did not get legislation through. GreenWave Sunday #38
Reid got Obamacare ACA through Historic NY Sunday #40
5 yrs of pachyderm filbusters and then he changed the rules 2013 5th yr of Obama's presidency. GreenWave Sunday #53
Well that is certainly a creative re-write of history. tritsofme Sunday #42
60 votes or bust was in vogue too long. GreenWave Sunday #52
I don't know what that is supposed to mean. tritsofme Sunday #55
Schumer is not the leader for this moment. yellow dahlia Saturday #3
He wants a deal , even a bad deal to pretend that he still knows what he's doing Bread and Circuses Saturday #4
... orangecrush Saturday #5
There's talk from House reps that he's more concerned for the airline industry that are screaming to end the shutdown pecosbob Saturday #6
Maybe contributions are down. AltairIV Sunday #56
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Saturday #7
This propaganda piece from the left damn near has me breaking my pledge to never link to a certain website. W_HAMILTON Saturday #8
the article discusses that Celerity Saturday #10
The article is a biased piece of shit. It was not a negotiated deal by Democrats, much less Schumer. W_HAMILTON Saturday #11
disagree with your framing attempts, as it was a group of centrist Dems who floated the idea (most Dems said NO) to Celerity Saturday #12
WRONG. And the article is outdated, but since we are linking the previously referenced fascist friendly outlet: W_HAMILTON Sunday #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Sunday #59
TY.. it is a really sad shame. Cha Saturday #17
So damn tiring. MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #49
I really Appreciate your Cha Sunday #57
Why does this surprise anyone? gab13by13 Saturday #9
Good fuckin question!! We're FINALLY startin to win again and Schumer is lookin to capitulate?? HELL NO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #13
he needs to follow Pelosi's lead Skittles Saturday #14
Post removed Post removed Saturday #15
No Sen Schumer is Not that at All. Cha Saturday #18
We'll have to agree to disagree. Grim Chieftain Saturday #19
Why should I believe a word of this? Wiz Imp Saturday #16
The assignment is to put "cave" in as many headlines about Democrats, especially Schumer, as possible. betsuni Saturday #20
lol Cha Saturday #21
Because the American Prospect has a high Factual and Credibility rating. Emile Sunday #22
No... it also says they have a LEFT BIAS. QueerDuck Sunday #25
I don't post links to right-wing bias publications. Emile Sunday #27
Nobody said otherwise. QueerDuck Sunday #31
Good to know. I hate to think a left-wing bias publication Emile Sunday #32
You're welcome. QueerDuck Sunday #33
Your very oddly edited first paragraph is extremely misleading, at best. sl8 Sunday #29
Thanks for the update. QueerDuck Sunday #30
Why? Because you left out the "may", which made your claim untrue muriel_volestrangler Sunday #54
Their anti-Dem agenda is obvious. Many things are obvious about this thread... QueerDuck Sunday #23
CNN reported on the same story too. Emile Sunday #24
No that's not the same story. Please. QueerDuck Sunday #26
Did you read that article? Because even it directly refutes the bullshit article in the OP. W_HAMILTON Sunday #47
THANK YOU MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #50
Mahalo For Explaining! I Know It's Cha Sunday #58
Last Tuesday screamed the following message, gab13by13 Sunday #28
Unless I misunderstood the deal TheFarseer Sunday #34
"Capitulation in exchange for nothing." Paladin Sunday #35
Long past time for Chuck to pass the baton johnnyfins Sunday #36
Good article, thanks for posting SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #37
"The sort of players who would fold a royal flush." Kid Berwyn Sunday #39
Useless VanceFan Sunday #41
Because millions of US citizens are starting to starve? krawhitham Sunday #43
I've seen posts on DU where people seem to have this fantasy that we can keep the government shut down for several more Midwestern Democrat Sunday #45
Excuse me, it's the majority party that shut down Emile Sunday #48
He is a member of the democrat's old guard. republianmushroom Sunday #46
Post removed Post removed Sunday #51

RockRaven

(18,349 posts)
1. B/c he is never punished for his failures and capitulations with a loss of position.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 07:58 PM
Saturday

He's not going to change.

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
60. Democrat Who Caved on Shutdown Says Chuck Schumer Knew All Along
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:05 PM
Monday
Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leaderunder the bus.

https://newrepublic.com/post/202942/democrat-caved-shutdown-chuck-schumer-knew-shaheen

https://archive.ph/TesoQ


Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer and Senator Jeanne Shaheen in the Capitol, September 28, 2022

Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown. Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.

“Senator Chuck Schumer, your leader in the Senate, said ‘I cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address health care, I am voting no.’ Did you do this outside leadership, and was there a big push for you not to join the others and break the 60 threshold?” Kilmeade asked.

“No, we kept leadership informed throughout,” Shaheen responded. “And I think it’s important to remember who’s responsible for why we got into this shutdown. We are here because we are concerned about the health care costs rising significantly on millions of Americans, and we didn’t have any indication before the shutdown started that our Republican colleagues were willing to address it.”

Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.



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Historic NY

(39,470 posts)
2. Because he's weak. Chuck is no Harry Reid
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 08:00 PM
Saturday

Harry would outsmart you and make you think it was your idea.

Historic NY

(39,470 posts)
40. Reid got Obamacare ACA through
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:26 AM
Sunday

with a hostile Senate and Rep Scott Brown the Republican elected to fill Sen Ted Kennedy's seat. Brown campaigned on being the 41st vote for filibusters.

GreenWave

(11,984 posts)
53. 5 yrs of pachyderm filbusters and then he changed the rules 2013 5th yr of Obama's presidency.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 02:53 PM
Sunday

Yes ACA is a notable exception.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
42. Well that is certainly a creative re-write of history.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:39 AM
Sunday

I can hardly think of a time Harry Reid “caved” to McConnell.

Aside from passing the ACA, the most historic and consequential piece of legislation in the last 50 years, Reid went nuclear on McConnell and shut down his obstruction of Obama’s appellate court nominees. Seems quite the opposite of “caving”

Reid was a fighter and a great leader.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
55. I don't know what that is supposed to mean.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 03:02 PM
Sunday

Reid was a fighter, that description of him as a “caver” was bullshit.

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
3. Schumer is not the leader for this moment.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 08:15 PM
Saturday

I have said it many times, in recent months.

Strong moments are happening around him. Momentum and visibility increase. A paradigm shift is called for. And yet he doesn't "get it". He doesn't see it. He doesn't feel it. He can't rise to the occasion. He continues to play by the old rule book. He continues to be formulaic and ineffective.

He needs to yield to better leadership. Egos need to step aside in these times. The talent for the moment is right there. Chris van Hollen comes to mind, but there are others.

What is needed is the creativity of van Hollen. What is needed is someone who can embrace a paradigm shift.

Chuck, with all due respect - what matters more? Your ego or saving Democracy?

pecosbob

(8,233 posts)
6. There's talk from House reps that he's more concerned for the airline industry that are screaming to end the shutdown
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 08:44 PM
Saturday

I would assume this implies that he gets a lot of contributions from the airline industry.

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W_HAMILTON

(9,863 posts)
8. This propaganda piece from the left damn near has me breaking my pledge to never link to a certain website.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 08:45 PM
Saturday

Let's just say anyone that wants to know the truth can freely search for it on their own. It's pretty damn sad when fascist friendly mainstream outlets are more truthful about this topic than unabashedly leftwing outlets.

The deal Democrats offered was essentially a bill that SIMULTANEOUSLY extended healthcare credits for one year while funding the government for one year.

THUNE was the fucking one that made the "fund the government till January and we'll see about extending healthcare credits."

The Democrats met behind closed doors and agreed that Thune's offer was a non-starter and they unified behind the simultaneous one-year extension offer.

EDIT - The offer, straight from Schumer's damn mouth on the Senate floor:

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
10. the article discusses that
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:17 PM
Saturday

At Thursday’s meeting, they told their caucus colleagues that they now had ten votes to re-open the government in exchange for no real Republican concessions. At that, much of the rest of the caucus went ballistic, and some of the supposed ten said that, in fact, they were not willing to vote for any such deal. The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down.

Only after that did Schumer go public with his proposal to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of the ACA subsidies, along with a bipartisan commission to figure out a long-term solution. Republican Senate Leader John Thune (R-SD), who had been led to expect a Democratic capitulation, first accused Schumer of “browbeating” his colleagues but then said later Saturday that talks were continuing.


President Trump, meanwhile, who had urged the Senate to stay in weekend session to reach a deal, reverted to his usual rants on Truth Social Saturday morning, declaring: “I am recommending to Senate Republicans that the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars currently being sent to money sucking Insurance Companies in order to save the bad Healthcare provided by ObamaCare, BE SENT DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE THEIR OWN, MUCH BETTER, HEALTHCARE, and have money left over.” He also called once again for an end of the filibuster.

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA), chair of the committee with jurisdiction over health care, pitched a related scheme that would turn the enhanced ACA subsidies into a flexible spending account, which would likely push people into high-deductible plans and complicate the maddening health care system even further. Informed observers tell me that the obvious compromise deal, which would allow each side to claim a partial victory, is either a shorter extension of the ACA subsidies for less than a year, or an extention with a partial cut at higher incomes. It remains to be seen whether both sides can get to yes.

W_HAMILTON

(9,863 posts)
11. The article is a biased piece of shit. It was not a negotiated deal by Democrats, much less Schumer.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:23 PM
Saturday

It was THUNE'S offer that the Democrats heading the negotiation brought back to their conference and all agreed it was a non-starter.

That's when Democrats unified under SCHUMER'S offer to fund the government for essentially a year in exchange for a one-year extension of the ACA credits.

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
12. disagree with your framing attempts, as it was a group of centrist Dems who floated the idea (most Dems said NO) to
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:47 PM
Saturday

end the shutdown in exchange for the 'promise' of a vote:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5589686-senate-democrats-shutdown-fight/

A group of centrist Senate Democrats are sounding out Democratic colleagues on a potential deal to reopen the federal government this week or next week, but they’re getting strong pushback that could scuttle a potential agreement, according to people familiar with the discussions.

A senator familiar with the behind-the-scenes negotiations said centrist Democrats, including retiring Sens. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) and Gary Peters (D-Mich.), have the contours of a deal and are “whipping” more of their colleagues to sign on — but it’s not yet clear whether they’ll get enough additional votes to end the 36-day shutdown.

Senate sources say Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.) has also signaled she would likely support a deal to reopen the government.

Such a deal would include a plan to pass regular appropriations bills and a promised vote on extending expiring health insurance subsidies.


As for the 1 year 'clean' extension (Gary Peter's idea) that is now dead (Rethugs said no).

W_HAMILTON

(9,863 posts)
44. WRONG. And the article is outdated, but since we are linking the previously referenced fascist friendly outlet:
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:33 AM
Sunday
...

The offer came after days of intense discussions on the Democratic side about the possibility of an off-ramp. Democrats had been demanding an extension of the ACA credits as a condition of reopening the government, but as the pain being caused by the shutdown intensified, a debate emerged between progressives and moderate-leaning members over whether to accept an offer from Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.).

That blueprint included a vote on a CR until January, and attached the minibus and a commitment to hold a vote to extend the ACA subsidies.


Talks continued until midday Thursday, when Democrats decided over lunch to unify behind a single plan by the party, which Schumer finally unveiled.


Taken from: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5595545-schumer-plan-government-shutdown/

The shitty plan was THUNE'S offer -- NOT the handful of Democrats that are doing the negotiating and NOT Schumer's. And it was roundly rejected by the Democratic caucus as a whole, which then agreed to support Schumer's counteroffer, which he announced on the Senate floor in the speech I linked the video of in my other post.

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Cha

(315,774 posts)
17. TY.. it is a really sad shame.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:54 PM
Saturday

What Sen Schumer Proposes is not something to be Ridiculed, mocked, and insulted.

It sounds reasonable to extend ACA for a year and Open the Gov.. so all those people can get paid and hopefully SNAP can go into Effect for Millions of American Families who Need it to supplement their income.

He's trying to Help Americans.. the Fascists under the Traitor are NOT.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,880 posts)
49. So damn tiring.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 01:28 PM
Sunday

This is Democratic Underground, where Dems support each other, NOT for trashing Dems or misrepresenting truth and reality, then doubling and tripling down when presented with the truth.

It seems Sen. Schumer is the favorite punching bag now that President Biden's been knocked out of the picture.

Cha

(315,774 posts)
57. I really Appreciate your
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 03:14 PM
Sunday

standing up for our Hard Woking Dems, MorbidButterflyTat.

We Have More Elections and Fights to Win... The Divisiveness has Already Proven to be A Losing Strategy.. it's how the Treasonous Traitor got into OUR WH in the 1st Place.

gab13by13

(30,624 posts)
9. Why does this surprise anyone?
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:11 PM
Saturday

Congressional Democrats were ready to take a stand back in March and vote for the CR, before the Big Beautiful Bill became law Democrats wanted protections for our social safety net. Schumer gave Democrats on the committee permission to nuke the filibuster and so a minority of Senate Democrats gave Krasnov everything he wanted and got absolutely nothing in return, leaving Democrats with subsidies for Obamacare as bargaining chip today.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,478 posts)
13. Good fuckin question!! We're FINALLY startin to win again and Schumer is lookin to capitulate?? HELL NO!!!
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 09:50 PM
Saturday

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Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
16. Why should I believe a word of this?
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 10:48 PM
Saturday

The writer doesn't even pretend to claim he has any sources for this. He very well could just be making the whole thing up. He doesn't even claim to have anonymous sources. He claims no source. I call bullshit.

betsuni

(28,545 posts)
20. The assignment is to put "cave" in as many headlines about Democrats, especially Schumer, as possible.
Sat Nov 8, 2025, 11:34 PM
Saturday

Then use your cats as sources, doesn't matter.

QueerDuck

(595 posts)
25. No... it also says they have a LEFT BIAS.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:02 AM
Sunday

It also says they "... utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy."

If anyone wants to use the "appeal to authority" fallacy, let's at least be fully honest and transparent, and provide a complete picture of the evaluation... warts and all. Nobody is perfect.

The MBFC is not the be-all/end-all arbiter of all things true or all things false. They put together an overall picture of a website or outlet's overall reputation (and even THAT is subjective and opinion.) But even taking that into consideration, it's fair to ask why this org is one click above "mostly factual" ... they fail to achieve the highest rating. Why? Because they are flawed, just like anyone else... and anti-Dem agenda-driven BS like the one featured here is the reason why.

Also, opinion pieces are just that... OPINIONS. This is not a news story, it's an editorial, a hit-piece that's presented as "news".

sl8

(16,947 posts)
29. Your very oddly edited first paragraph is extremely misleading, at best.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:56 AM
Sunday

You imply that that's how Media Bias characterizes "American Prospect". That's false, your edited quote is from their generic description of left bias. Just as bad, you left out the very important "may" from the original description. Why?

Here's the original paragraph:

LEFT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Left Bias sources


Here's your version, in which you incorrectly indicate that it's a description of American Prospect, and leave out the very important "may":

It also says they "... utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy."


This is the how Media Bias actually and specifically characterized American Prospect :

Analysis / Bias

In review, The American Prospect reports original political news from a liberal perspective. Stories are well written, and headlines contain moderately loaded language that favors the left, such as this: The Republican War on the Capital Gains Tax. This story is very well sourced to the New York Times, Washington Post, Bloomberg, and Whitehouse.gov.

Economically, the American Prospect aligns with the progressive left with articles such as this: The 5 Biggest Corporate Lies About Unions. When it comes to science, they support the consensus on climate change, vaccines, and GMOs.

QueerDuck

(595 posts)
30. Thanks for the update.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:57 AM
Sunday

They remain within that category and that overall description. The rest of my post makes that point clear as well. But your "oddly edited" response neglected to include that as well and took everything out of context. Why?

muriel_volestrangler

(105,192 posts)
54. Why? Because you left out the "may", which made your claim untrue
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 02:53 PM
Sunday

There is a world of difference between claiming a site does something, and saying they are in a group that may do those things.

It was you that purposely altered the context.

QueerDuck

(595 posts)
23. Their anti-Dem agenda is obvious. Many things are obvious about this thread...
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 06:40 AM
Sunday

starting with the writer of this opinion piece. You're right, it is BS all the way.

W_HAMILTON

(9,863 posts)
47. Did you read that article? Because even it directly refutes the bullshit article in the OP.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 12:24 PM
Sunday

Most notably, the entire headline of the article about Schumer """capitulating""" when YOUR article reports:

...

Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada stressed to CNN that there was “no deal” yet and that discussions were ongoing on health care, adding there are also serious talks about constraining Trump on spending cuts. Party leadership, she said, is not directly involved in the talks.


SCHUMER WAS NOT PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.

HE IS NOT "FLIRTING WITH CAPITULATION IN EXCHANGE FOR NOTHING."

THE ONES DOING THE NEGOTIATING CAME BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS WITH THE REPUBLICAN'S OFFER AND IT WAS ROUNDLY REJECTED.

SCHUMER THEN GOT DEMOCRATS TO AGREE ON THE COUNTEROFFER THAT HE PROPOSED ON THE SENATE FLOOR.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,880 posts)
50. THANK YOU
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 01:33 PM
Sunday

for your dedication to truth and reality.

I don't have the temperament or the patience for this never ending CRAP against Democrats, especially on this site!!

Cha

(315,774 posts)
58. Mahalo For Explaining! I Know It's
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 04:12 PM
Sunday

So Frustrating.. and I really Do Appreciate your Assisting Reality like you do.

gab13by13

(30,624 posts)
28. Last Tuesday screamed the following message,
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:31 AM
Sunday

Last edited Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:02 AM - Edit history (1)

Democratic voters are looking for fighters. Mamdani is Magats' worst nightmare, a progressive populist with charisma who fights like hell.

Chuck Schumer has a history of kneecapping the majority of Congressional Democrats, he did it back in March when he gave a handful of Senators permission to kill the filibuster to enable Magats to pass the CR. That isn't conjecture, or a lie. The vast majority of Democrats wanted to take a stand back in March before Krasnov's Big Ugly Death Bill became law.

Back in March Senator Schumer caved, gave Krasnov everything he wanted and got absolutely nothing in exchange, quite the negotiation.

If a handful of Democrats cave and vote for a clean CR without getting subsidies for Obamacare, the Kaiser Family Foundation said that 50,000 Americans will die. I don't know why Democrats don't just say that?

TheFarseer

(9,716 posts)
34. Unless I misunderstood the deal
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:25 AM
Sunday

It sounds pretty reasonable. Reopen the government and extend subsidies for one year in the same vote. Why is that caving?

Paladin

(31,988 posts)
35. "Capitulation in exchange for nothing."
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:28 AM
Sunday

Good summary of Democratic leadership strategy, for the last few decades. If Schumer continues to be an obstacle, he needs to be replaced. With forceful, articulate alternatives like Newsom and Pritzker, and with trump appearing weaker by the day, there's no excuse for Democrats reverting to wimpy, losing tactics. Too much is at stake.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,418 posts)
37. Good article, thanks for posting
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:28 AM
Sunday

I think we should acknowledge that Schumer is not a wartime consigliere (points if you get the reference). He should consider stepping down as senate leader after the midterms or sooner. Then retire when his term is up in 28.

However, I do think his offer of a one year extension of the ACA subsidies was a brilliant move, even more so now. That made Democrats look reasonable and put republicans in a bind. But saying no, they look unreasonable and own the shutdown even more. If they accepted the extension, democrats would have had a great issue to run on in the midterms next year.

Additionally, Schumer can now go back to the wavering 'gang of eight' and show that he tried to make a reasonable compromise but republicans rejected it.

Kid Berwyn

(22,262 posts)
39. "The sort of players who would fold a royal flush."
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:12 AM
Sunday

Last edited Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:55 AM - Edit history (1)

It is a mystery.

Midwestern Democrat

(1,012 posts)
45. I've seen posts on DU where people seem to have this fantasy that we can keep the government shut down for several more
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:41 AM
Sunday

months - maybe even all the way to the midterms - until the GOP caves to the Democrats. It's not going to happen - the GOP knows at least 8 to 10 Democratic Senators have already reached their pain point (and there's probably several more that have secretly reached that point or are coming damn close to it) - all they have to do is wait about another week until these 8 to 10 Senators cave - which is why shutting down the government is a very unwise strategy - it simply doesn't work.

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