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How the Senate Democratic leader and his Gang of Eight keep trying to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., speaks to reporters about Democratic victories on Election Day, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2025, day 36 of the government shutdown. Credit: AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
Most commentators, including me, concluded that the Tuesday election victory saved Democrats from capitulating to Republican demands to pass a simple continuing resolution to re-open the government, in exchange for vague assurances of a vote on Affordable Care Act subsidies that amount to nothing. But my reporting finds that at the Thursday meeting of the Senate Democratic caucus, two days after the election, Democrats very nearly capitulated once again.
Heres what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were free-lancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily. At Thursdays meeting, they told their caucus colleagues that they now had ten votes to re-open the government in exchange for no real Republican concessions. At that, much of the rest of the caucus went ballistic, and some of the supposed ten said that, in fact, they were not willing to vote for any such deal. The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down.
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The mystery is why Schumer keeps flirting with capitulation in exchange for nothing. Democrats have the political momentum, Republicans are divided, and a majority of voters blame Republicans for the shutdown. Schumer himself faces a likely primary challenge for his own Senate seat. He is even more vulnerable if he presides over a Democratic capitulation.
Equally bizarre is Shaheens game, since she is not even running for re-election when her term expires in 2026. She is on the Appropriations Committee, and part of the weak Republican offer is to pass the appropriations bills that have gone through the committee on a bipartisan basis. Clearly, Shaheen is more concerned with getting those bills done than using important leverage to protect the signature Democratic legislative achievement of this century. Even when Schumer and centrist Democrats have been dealt a strong hand, these are the sort of players who would fold a royal flush.
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RockRaven
(18,349 posts)He's not going to change.
Celerity
(53,014 posts)https://newrepublic.com/post/202942/democrat-caved-shutdown-chuck-schumer-knew-shaheen
https://archive.ph/TesoQ

Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer and Senator Jeanne Shaheen in the Capitol, September 28, 2022
Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown. Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox Newss Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.
Senator Chuck Schumer, your leader in the Senate, said I cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address health care, I am voting no. Did you do this outside leadership, and was there a big push for you not to join the others and break the 60 threshold? Kilmeade asked.
No, we kept leadership informed throughout, Shaheen responded. And I think its important to remember whos responsible for why we got into this shutdown. We are here because we are concerned about the health care costs rising significantly on millions of Americans, and we didnt have any indication before the shutdown started that our Republican colleagues were willing to address it.
Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheens comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who arent up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.
Link to tweet
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Historic NY
(39,470 posts)Harry would outsmart you and make you think it was your idea.
GreenWave
(11,984 posts)60 or bust!
Historic NY
(39,470 posts)with a hostile Senate and Rep Scott Brown the Republican elected to fill Sen Ted Kennedy's seat. Brown campaigned on being the 41st vote for filibusters.
GreenWave
(11,984 posts)Yes ACA is a notable exception.
tritsofme
(19,727 posts)I can hardly think of a time Harry Reid caved to McConnell.
Aside from passing the ACA, the most historic and consequential piece of legislation in the last 50 years, Reid went nuclear on McConnell and shut down his obstruction of Obamas appellate court nominees. Seems quite the opposite of caving
Reid was a fighter and a great leader.
GreenWave
(11,984 posts)No way does Mitch get a pass on trustworthiness.
tritsofme
(19,727 posts)Reid was a fighter, that description of him as a caver was bullshit.
yellow dahlia
(3,982 posts)I have said it many times, in recent months.
Strong moments are happening around him. Momentum and visibility increase. A paradigm shift is called for. And yet he doesn't "get it". He doesn't see it. He doesn't feel it. He can't rise to the occasion. He continues to play by the old rule book. He continues to be formulaic and ineffective.
He needs to yield to better leadership. Egos need to step aside in these times. The talent for the moment is right there. Chris van Hollen comes to mind, but there are others.
What is needed is the creativity of van Hollen. What is needed is someone who can embrace a paradigm shift.
Chuck, with all due respect - what matters more? Your ego or saving Democracy?
Bread and Circuses
(1,367 posts)orangecrush
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pecosbob
(8,233 posts)I would assume this implies that he gets a lot of contributions from the airline industry.
AltairIV
(989 posts)He's also very cozy with the banking industry.
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W_HAMILTON
(9,863 posts)Let's just say anyone that wants to know the truth can freely search for it on their own. It's pretty damn sad when fascist friendly mainstream outlets are more truthful about this topic than unabashedly leftwing outlets.
The deal Democrats offered was essentially a bill that SIMULTANEOUSLY extended healthcare credits for one year while funding the government for one year.
THUNE was the fucking one that made the "fund the government till January and we'll see about extending healthcare credits."
The Democrats met behind closed doors and agreed that Thune's offer was a non-starter and they unified behind the simultaneous one-year extension offer.
EDIT - The offer, straight from Schumer's damn mouth on the Senate floor:
Celerity
(53,014 posts)At Thursdays meeting, they told their caucus colleagues that they now had ten votes to re-open the government in exchange for no real Republican concessions. At that, much of the rest of the caucus went ballistic, and some of the supposed ten said that, in fact, they were not willing to vote for any such deal. The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down.
President Trump, meanwhile, who had urged the Senate to stay in weekend session to reach a deal, reverted to his usual rants on Truth Social Saturday morning, declaring: I am recommending to Senate Republicans that the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars currently being sent to money sucking Insurance Companies in order to save the bad Healthcare provided by ObamaCare, BE SENT DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE THEIR OWN, MUCH BETTER, HEALTHCARE, and have money left over. He also called once again for an end of the filibuster.
Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA), chair of the committee with jurisdiction over health care, pitched a related scheme that would turn the enhanced ACA subsidies into a flexible spending account, which would likely push people into high-deductible plans and complicate the maddening health care system even further. Informed observers tell me that the obvious compromise deal, which would allow each side to claim a partial victory, is either a shorter extension of the ACA subsidies for less than a year, or an extention with a partial cut at higher incomes. It remains to be seen whether both sides can get to yes.
W_HAMILTON
(9,863 posts)It was THUNE'S offer that the Democrats heading the negotiation brought back to their conference and all agreed it was a non-starter.
That's when Democrats unified under SCHUMER'S offer to fund the government for essentially a year in exchange for a one-year extension of the ACA credits.
Celerity
(53,014 posts)end the shutdown in exchange for the 'promise' of a vote:
A group of centrist Senate Democrats are sounding out Democratic colleagues on a potential deal to reopen the federal government this week or next week, but theyre getting strong pushback that could scuttle a potential agreement, according to people familiar with the discussions.
A senator familiar with the behind-the-scenes negotiations said centrist Democrats, including retiring Sens. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) and Gary Peters (D-Mich.), have the contours of a deal and are whipping more of their colleagues to sign on but its not yet clear whether theyll get enough additional votes to end the 36-day shutdown.
Senate sources say Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.) has also signaled she would likely support a deal to reopen the government.
Such a deal would include a plan to pass regular appropriations bills and a promised vote on extending expiring health insurance subsidies.
As for the 1 year 'clean' extension (Gary Peter's idea) that is now dead (Rethugs said no).
W_HAMILTON
(9,863 posts)The offer came after days of intense discussions on the Democratic side about the possibility of an off-ramp. Democrats had been demanding an extension of the ACA credits as a condition of reopening the government, but as the pain being caused by the shutdown intensified, a debate emerged between progressives and moderate-leaning members over whether to accept an offer from Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.).
That blueprint included a vote on a CR until January, and attached the minibus and a commitment to hold a vote to extend the ACA subsidies.
Talks continued until midday Thursday, when Democrats decided over lunch to unify behind a single plan by the party, which Schumer finally unveiled.
Taken from: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5595545-schumer-plan-government-shutdown/
The shitty plan was THUNE'S offer -- NOT the handful of Democrats that are doing the negotiating and NOT Schumer's. And it was roundly rejected by the Democratic caucus as a whole, which then agreed to support Schumer's counteroffer, which he announced on the Senate floor in the speech I linked the video of in my other post.
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Cha
(315,774 posts)What Sen Schumer Proposes is not something to be Ridiculed, mocked, and insulted.
It sounds reasonable to extend ACA for a year and Open the Gov.. so all those people can get paid and hopefully SNAP can go into Effect for Millions of American Families who Need it to supplement their income.
He's trying to Help Americans.. the Fascists under the Traitor are NOT.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,880 posts)This is Democratic Underground, where Dems support each other, NOT for trashing Dems or misrepresenting truth and reality, then doubling and tripling down when presented with the truth.
It seems Sen. Schumer is the favorite punching bag now that President Biden's been knocked out of the picture.
Cha
(315,774 posts)standing up for our Hard Woking Dems, MorbidButterflyTat.
We Have More Elections and Fights to Win... The Divisiveness has Already Proven to be A Losing Strategy.. it's how the Treasonous Traitor got into OUR WH in the 1st Place.
gab13by13
(30,624 posts)Congressional Democrats were ready to take a stand back in March and vote for the CR, before the Big Beautiful Bill became law Democrats wanted protections for our social safety net. Schumer gave Democrats on the committee permission to nuke the filibuster and so a minority of Senate Democrats gave Krasnov everything he wanted and got absolutely nothing in return, leaving Democrats with subsidies for Obamacare as bargaining chip today.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,478 posts)Skittles
(168,609 posts)yes indeed
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Cha
(315,774 posts)Grim Chieftain
(908 posts)Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)The writer doesn't even pretend to claim he has any sources for this. He very well could just be making the whole thing up. He doesn't even claim to have anonymous sources. He claims no source. I call bullshit.
betsuni
(28,545 posts)Then use your cats as sources, doesn't matter.
Emile
(39,084 posts)QueerDuck
(595 posts)It also says they "... utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy."
If anyone wants to use the "appeal to authority" fallacy, let's at least be fully honest and transparent, and provide a complete picture of the evaluation... warts and all. Nobody is perfect.
The MBFC is not the be-all/end-all arbiter of all things true or all things false. They put together an overall picture of a website or outlet's overall reputation (and even THAT is subjective and opinion.) But even taking that into consideration, it's fair to ask why this org is one click above "mostly factual" ... they fail to achieve the highest rating. Why? Because they are flawed, just like anyone else... and anti-Dem agenda-driven BS like the one featured here is the reason why.
Also, opinion pieces are just that... OPINIONS. This is not a news story, it's an editorial, a hit-piece that's presented as "news".
Emile
(39,084 posts)QueerDuck
(595 posts)Emile
(39,084 posts)is not welcome on DU.
QueerDuck
(595 posts)sl8
(16,947 posts)You imply that that's how Media Bias characterizes "American Prospect". That's false, your edited quote is from their generic description of left bias. Just as bad, you left out the very important "may" from the original description. Why?
Here's the original paragraph:
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Here's your version, in which you incorrectly indicate that it's a description of American Prospect, and leave out the very important "may":
This is the how Media Bias actually and specifically characterized American Prospect :
In review, The American Prospect reports original political news from a liberal perspective. Stories are well written, and headlines contain moderately loaded language that favors the left, such as this: The Republican War on the Capital Gains Tax. This story is very well sourced to the New York Times, Washington Post, Bloomberg, and Whitehouse.gov.
Economically, the American Prospect aligns with the progressive left with articles such as this: The 5 Biggest Corporate Lies About Unions. When it comes to science, they support the consensus on climate change, vaccines, and GMOs.
QueerDuck
(595 posts)They remain within that category and that overall description. The rest of my post makes that point clear as well. But your "oddly edited" response neglected to include that as well and took everything out of context. Why?
muriel_volestrangler
(105,192 posts)There is a world of difference between claiming a site does something, and saying they are in a group that may do those things.
It was you that purposely altered the context.
QueerDuck
(595 posts)starting with the writer of this opinion piece. You're right, it is BS all the way.
Emile
(39,084 posts)QueerDuck
(595 posts)W_HAMILTON
(9,863 posts)Most notably, the entire headline of the article about Schumer """capitulating""" when YOUR article reports:
Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada stressed to CNN that there was no deal yet and that discussions were ongoing on health care, adding there are also serious talks about constraining Trump on spending cuts. Party leadership, she said, is not directly involved in the talks.
SCHUMER WAS NOT PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.
HE IS NOT "FLIRTING WITH CAPITULATION IN EXCHANGE FOR NOTHING."
THE ONES DOING THE NEGOTIATING CAME BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS WITH THE REPUBLICAN'S OFFER AND IT WAS ROUNDLY REJECTED.
SCHUMER THEN GOT DEMOCRATS TO AGREE ON THE COUNTEROFFER THAT HE PROPOSED ON THE SENATE FLOOR.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,880 posts)for your dedication to truth and reality.
I don't have the temperament or the patience for this never ending CRAP against Democrats, especially on this site!!
Cha
(315,774 posts)So Frustrating.. and I really Do Appreciate your Assisting Reality like you do.
gab13by13
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Democratic voters are looking for fighters. Mamdani is Magats' worst nightmare, a progressive populist with charisma who fights like hell.
Chuck Schumer has a history of kneecapping the majority of Congressional Democrats, he did it back in March when he gave a handful of Senators permission to kill the filibuster to enable Magats to pass the CR. That isn't conjecture, or a lie. The vast majority of Democrats wanted to take a stand back in March before Krasnov's Big Ugly Death Bill became law.
Back in March Senator Schumer caved, gave Krasnov everything he wanted and got absolutely nothing in exchange, quite the negotiation.
If a handful of Democrats cave and vote for a clean CR without getting subsidies for Obamacare, the Kaiser Family Foundation said that 50,000 Americans will die. I don't know why Democrats don't just say that?
TheFarseer
(9,716 posts)It sounds pretty reasonable. Reopen the government and extend subsidies for one year in the same vote. Why is that caving?
Paladin
(31,988 posts)Good summary of Democratic leadership strategy, for the last few decades. If Schumer continues to be an obstacle, he needs to be replaced. With forceful, articulate alternatives like Newsom and Pritzker, and with trump appearing weaker by the day, there's no excuse for Democrats reverting to wimpy, losing tactics. Too much is at stake.
johnnyfins
(3,235 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(6,418 posts)I think we should acknowledge that Schumer is not a wartime consigliere (points if you get the reference). He should consider stepping down as senate leader after the midterms or sooner. Then retire when his term is up in 28.
However, I do think his offer of a one year extension of the ACA subsidies was a brilliant move, even more so now. That made Democrats look reasonable and put republicans in a bind. But saying no, they look unreasonable and own the shutdown even more. If they accepted the extension, democrats would have had a great issue to run on in the midterms next year.
Additionally, Schumer can now go back to the wavering 'gang of eight' and show that he tried to make a reasonable compromise but republicans rejected it.
Kid Berwyn
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It is a mystery.
Because he is useless and needs to go away.
krawhitham
(5,044 posts)Midwestern Democrat
(1,012 posts)months - maybe even all the way to the midterms - until the GOP caves to the Democrats. It's not going to happen - the GOP knows at least 8 to 10 Democratic Senators have already reached their pain point (and there's probably several more that have secretly reached that point or are coming damn close to it) - all they have to do is wait about another week until these 8 to 10 Senators cave - which is why shutting down the government is a very unwise strategy - it simply doesn't work.
Emile
(39,084 posts)the government.
republianmushroom
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