I see this goal as something we need to wait for like when we take back control of Congress...

Not only do we want universal health care, but there must be a system of accessible nearby hospitals for all. Insurance without hospitals less that 3 or 4 hours away really isn't all that useful in an emergency.

We never should have shut up about it. And not Medicare for All.

Give us our fucking subsidy bandaid and open the government. But then watch out, because people are WAKING UP. They KNOW we MUST have Single-payor universal health care. And that is what we're going to fight to get them, however long it takes.

YOU DO NOT BUILD THE POLITICAL WILL FOR SOMETHING BY SHUTTING UP ABOUT IT!!!

You keep advocating, loud and proud! And keep advocating. As you do, you change the boundaries of the possible. You make it MORE likely that you can get further down the road toward the ultimate goal FASTER.

We have been pulled in to Fascist Hell by the notion that you can only attempt to get that which you are sure is winnable. By surrendering in advance. By declaring can't win, won't fight.

Did the anti-abortionists STFU when everyone told them Roe v. Wade would never be overturned??

The day Hillary's effort failed, we should have rolled up our sleeves and started arguing against any fucking compromise that shovels money into the pockets of insurance companies who spent all those millions to make sure we didn't reduce their profits by a penny. The cry "No more for-profit health care. Our health is not a COMMODITY!! " should have started the next day.

Preach it, OrlandoDem2!

Boy, that would excite a bunch of folks.........so yes please.........call for medicare for all. and as Mamdani said, TURN UP THE VOLUME!!!!!

But I don’t think now is the time to overplay our hand. If we win back control of Congress and don’t at least push hard for a public option, then I will be upset.

Or do we just watch as the system we currently have falls to pieces, like a diseased, dying whale that's somehow still swimming (at least for now), with Trump's sharks biting of piece after piece after piece?

And it’s perfectly fine to bring it up and put a spotlight on this idea but not demand it as a condition for reopening the government because it would be closed til the end of time. I’m in favor of Medicare for all but when we control 0 out of 3 branches of government is NOT when this has a chance.

Force the GOP to admit they want us all to suffer and die

Take a Stand on it!
Let the Repub-MAGA loons dig-in, protecting the For-Profit Insurance lobby.
Make them OWN it!

Get For-Profit Insurance companies out of our Lives! Everybody HATES them!!
Even MAGA hates them!

Yeah, they will be all over that.

he is shutting down medicare as well, so the only way to reestablish it is all the way. NO united health or ioe namath needed.

most medical care results from industrial toxins, so let corporate america pay for their own negligence in taxes.

You'll be paying for the interest for the first 20 or 25 years — no equity.

about Medicare for all and he nearly blew a gasket
He said that "we can't afford it..."
I wish that I could not show up for work and still get paid... just sayin'
Happy Sunday to all

very telling

The fact that a one year subsidy is even being considered is beyond disappointing.

It’s permanent or Medicare for all.

Anything else is just the proverbial kick the can…

Everyone that voted for it knew it was going to expire this year.

It could have been passed.

though of course they don't recognize that it's the type of program they'd normally cry is socialism. lol

IT IS DEFINITELY TIME.

Long past time, really.

Now look at what the Republicans have made me do.

With people getting sticker shocks on their private insurance its time to bring the message of Medicare for all to the people and show them how it'll help them.

Half of Medicare is already privatized under the Republican scam called Medicare Advantage which has essentially been bankrupting Medicare.

Then they'll scream Medicare For All

We actually need the TriCare model

FYI, It was Bill Clinton who signed Medicare Part C into law under the Balanced Budget Act of 1997

Boomers know it isn't. Gen Xers are about to find out

185 (about to be 206) a month for part B
30-50 for part D
Part C is just plain privatized Medicare

Part B was $4 a month in 1970 !!

I’m fortunate to be able to absorb the increase, many are not so lucky

and that doesn't even include the supplemental or Medi-gap part which can be quite significant, and if you don't have it, that can break the bank for some also.

I think it would be instructive if some folks spent some time understanding what they pay into with their social security and Medicare taxes, and what it covers and what ISN'T included.

Maybe the confusion among some is they may not understand the difference between Medicare and Medicaid?

If they actually did Medicare for all, it would mean people would no longer need to wait until 65 to start receiving benefits. The assumption would be that there would be more healthy people in the pool than those that are not healthy, and it would be those healthy people who effectively would subsidize it for those at a higher risk, that is the older Americans for the most part.

It would be an entire paradigm shift from how Medicare was initially setup, and it is highly unlikely that would pass Congress.

I don't think many realize we barely got the affordable care act passed as it was, and it wasn't just because of the republicans.

The U.S. House of Representatives was safely Democratic as a result of the Nov. 4, 2008, elections by a margin of 257 – 199; the Democrats had gained 21 seats from the 2006-07 Congress, but it was the Senate where things became difficult.

Going into the 2008 elections, the Senate consisted of 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and two Independents (Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Bernie Sanders of Vermont) who caucused with the Democrats. When the smoke cleared from those elections, the Democrats picked up eight seats to increase their majority to 57-41. With the two Independents, the Democrats were one vote shy of the supermajority the magic number of 60 they needed to ward off any filibuster attempts and move forward with broad healthcare reform legislation.

In April 2009, the dynamics changed when Republican Arlen Spector changed parties, giving Senate Democrats that coveted 60th vote.
Now the Democrats had a safe majority in the House and a filibuster-proof supermajority of 60 in the Senate, but that lasted only four months before Ted Kennedy died in August of 2009, leaving the Democrats, once again, with 59 seats (counting the two Independents). One month later, Democrat Paul Kirk was appointed interim senator from Massachusetts to serve until the special election set for January 19, 2010 – once again giving the Democrats that 60th vote. but things didn't quite work out the way we thought it would.

There didn’t seem to be an urgent need for Democrats to reconcile both bills immediately, because people thought that Marth Coakley was a shoe in for Kennedy's seat in the special election. Of course we all know what happened there, Scott Brown won the special election, and we didn't have the super majority anymore.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi and President Obama needed to figure out a way to get it passed. It was assumed that the House bill would be tweaked enough to even offer a public option, but that wouldn't work now because the Democrats no longer had the 60th vote in the Senate to end debate. They decided to have the House take up the identical bill that the Senate passed on Christmas Eve. It passed in 2010 by a 219 – 212 vote. NO Republicans came on board, and 34 DEMOCRATS voted against. President Obama signed the ACA legislation two days later on March 23.

In addition, not all Senate Democrats were on board with the public option, yet alone Medicare for all. Blanch Lincoln, Nelson in Nebraska, Nelson in Florida, Lieberman, Birch Bayh, and Mark Pryor in Arkansas in the Senate refused to go along with a public option or Medicare for all.

Thank you for that accurate (and horrible) reminder. I hope you'll make this an OP at some point

How the hell do you lose Kennedy's seat?! Okay, don't get me started

So we never needed 60 to start with

it if a public option was included?

Blanch Lincoln, Nelson in Nebraska, Nelson in Florida, Lieberman, Birch Bayh, and Mark Pryor in Arkansas in the Senate refused to go along with a public option or Medicare for all.

Of course the real problem was those jackasses who refused to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general election when we lost the Supreme Court, and those that refused to vote for Harris in 2024.

one mistake "might" be excusable, but not two, and I am not even including what happened in 2000.

That is what happens when you lose the majority in both Houses, and the presidency.

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Actually, should have been demanding a lot sooner, but every single time they said/say "obamacare is broken," we should have said "damn right it is, we need single-payor heath care, and we need it NOW!

Heath care is NOT a fucking commodity! You need the health care you need when you fucking need it.

You don't wake up one day and decide you want to start injecting yourself with this expensive Rheumatoid Arthritis drug because, gee all my friends are doing it!

NO MORE heath care for profit. Our health is not a commodity. It is a RIGHT without which there can be NO "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

single-payer, a public option, yet alone Medicare for all.

The ACA barely passed.

Blanch Lincoln, Nelson in Nebraska, Nelson in Florida, Lieberman, Birch Bayh, and Mark Pryor in Arkansas in the Senate refused to go along with a public option, single payer or Medicare for all at the time the ACA was passed.

Even Vermont, from where Bernie Sanders is from, who is one of the biggest proponents of Medicare for all couldn't pass its single-payer health plan in 2014. The excuse used was the high cost it would entail, and it would cause economic disruption because the proposed funding mechanisms that would be used, payroll and income taxes would not be politically viable according to their Governor at the time, and could not guarantee that the plan wouldn't require even higher taxes due to rising healthcare stocks.

I am just saying, unless ALL Democrats are on board, it is highly unlikely to happen anytime soon.

If we get in power again we should pass laws saying corporations can not profit off healthcare.get Wall Street and corporations banned from healthcare and make it a public service.

I'm opposed to government shutdowns as a way to create crises. But, since we're already there, there's no reason at all that every time a Democrat shows up in an interview or anywhere, they should have a litany of reasons to vote against Republicans next year. We have the issues.

to insurance companies, etc. I thought - what an perfect opportunity for him to say "Let's work on this - first we extend the subsidies for one year and during that year - we put together a real Medicare For All plan that helps achieve Trump's supposed goal". But he didn't . . .

This may hurt democrats in the midterm also. Any Democrat who votes for this needs a primary.

owned by the health care industry?

Far too many. It would hurt the bottom line of too many people with power to have a public option or to actually deliver health CARE rather than insurance.

No it is not a good time. We need to save the ACA or millions die. This is a betrayal.

To the carpet for it as it would have really laid the groundwork for a potential Medicare for all

And if it wasn’t him, it would have been someone else. The ruling class always gets what it wants.

The ACA is too expensive!

We must remember that the Democratic Party is a capitalist party. There are billions of dollars in profits at stake. The insurance lobby is huge and influential. They’re never going to call for this let alone go to the mattresses for it.