And when the vote comes in December, Republicans will vote no.

That’s if they even hold the vote. I’m not holding my breath.

Once that happens, people are locked into agreements they absolutely can’t afford. Stupid.

I was going to comment about the same stumbling point.

Because if there is no guarantee to hold it in the House, you're basically doing a performative act here since the House won't take it up.

No matter, I doubt there are 60 votes in the Senate anyway to extend the subsidies.

The whole reason Democrats refused the deal originally was to hold the Republicans' feet to the fire and get them to accept a subsidy extension because they knew they weren't going to get it otherwise.

This deal basically guarantees nothing, so what the hell was the point?

And the repuglikans are ROFL --"Good faith?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahaha!!"

Headline was "Deal Reached," and that one line certainly doesn't tell me a deal has been reached. There may be a few versions of the truth before the truth is certain.

Republicans want to open because airports effect rich people - demand healthcare NOW.

that said, please have it certified, notarized, assurance from GQP that the subsides will be honored and extended, although it should be included now.

he'll tell his toadies in the Sen. to blow up the deal and like the good little Nazis that they are, they'll do it and praise him for his "divine leadership".

We need to realize that Trump does not want this, if for no other reason than the ACA is also referred to as ObamaCare, and Trump has an obsession with reversing or eradicating anything that carries his name.

I can tell you exactly what will happen.

Trump will "work" the Republicans every day between the "agreement" and the day the vote is taken.

He'll start with locker room coach pep talks, and if they don't work, he'll go directly to threats.

He will make sure that every single Republican feels that they have something to lose by voting for the extension.

So, none of them will.

But as the article says, "nothing is decided yet."

by calling Trump and having Trump threaten them (to run people against them). It happened to our local rep who started out against vouchers. He caved after the call from Trump.

Trump gets down in the trenches and threatens these guys - and he will find the money to run people against them.

If we give in now that will be the end of ACA subsidies.

And, the problem is, if Republicans can ultimately "prevail" against the ACA, as long as they have the votes, they can "prevail" against anything that's not in the Project 2025 manifesto.

This is why we're hearing so much frenzied talk from Republicans regarding the midterms. This is why Trump is "rushing" them. He knows. He's got to check off every item on the wish list before next November. And I refuse to join the "WHAT IF HE CANCELS THE MIDTERMS" crowd. I know it's a possibility. I'm just not going to buy into it.

I mean, he could. But the problem with worrying about that is that it's another deflection, and we also can't control what he does anyway. All we can do is react. We've got a problem right now in front of us & we do have some power if we hold the line. Schumer should be on the phone to every one of those corporate dems and calling them out.

"promises?"

...is precisely what you stated.
McConnell wouldn't being a SCOTUS nominee to the floor because it was an election year, then did exactly that 4 years later.
They can't be trusted.
Plus, if the do bring a vote to the floor, they simply vote en bloc and with the majority it gets killed.
This is not a shrewd deal in an way.

And that the new Rep. from AZ would be sworn in? Epstein-218 Baby!

...to the millions who will find their health insurance unaffordable.......

Moses will find excuse after excuse to keep from swearing her in until the end of time.

I should have emphasized that my question was somewhat rhetorical.

but I am filled to the brim with snark tonight.

"Dems backed Trump into a corner where he's advocating for starving Americans and hemorrhaging support. If they vote to let him off the hook in exchange for nothing it's a cataclysmic failure. I know people are in pain but insulating Republicans from political consequences is not the answer."

they got a promise to vote down ACA subsidies in December.

A "deal" to talk about the federal workers and then ensure that they stay fired...

In other words, if this is the "deal" they are taking, they are selling us all out for a handful of Republican lies.

And, the Republicans will position themselves as having "saved" America from having the shutdown continue.

I don't see that we gained a single thing.

a handful of imaginary magic beans.

But, we're being told that these Dems did something. Well, I guess caving is "something" technically.

...and chose not to.

So the "value" of that is largely subjective, because it only matters if voters realuze that voting Republican is not in their best interests.

The Republican messaging, on Fox & Newsmax, is repetitive and designed to fan the flames of anger and resentment. And "low information voters" are glued to those channels.

I'd say the "value" of the Dems having held out is directly tied to how many voters they were able to "peel off" from Republicans, and I don't see how we have any way of knowing that until the next election.

Will get a real vote?If they wanted that , the GOP could have ended the shutdown on the second day. We got nothing. This is a betrayal. Primary every Democrat that votes for this.