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bigtree

(93,231 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:08 PM Sunday

I'm fucking tired of ultimatums to Dem leaders from people who think attacking our own leaders is opposition politics



...especially when they adopt and promote clickbait narratives from media figures desperate to portray our party as divided in the face of the garbage dump that is the republican opposition, and elevate their corrupted logic over our own consistent messaging and initiatives.

It was really something to watch yesterday as the internet propaganda brigades went to work distorting something Leader Jeffries had said in October, specifically in response to a proposal a few republicans had floated about being in favor of a one-year extension of the ACA tax credits, knowing full well at the time that their republican leadership wasn't going to allow that to fly.

As Rep. Jeffries correctly pointed out yesterday, the bluff-calling proposal offered up by Senate Dem Leader isn't even the same proposal, and unlike the Oct. bait republicans had thrown out for the press, the Shumer proposal is sincere, and provides a path forward for negotiating the unraveling of the devastating health care and other cuts in the budget before them.

...asked and answered of Jeffries on MTP:

KRISTEN WELKER: Leader Jeffries, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer did make a new offer effectively saying, “Let's extend Obamacare subsidies for one year in exchange for reopening the government for one year.” You have said that you would support that proposal, but just last month you said this. Take a look.

So Leader Jeffries, what changed?

REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES:

Well, the proposal that I was making reference to in October was something that was floated out there by a handful of rank and file House Republicans, and that was immediately rejected by House Republican Leadership because they have no interest in driving down the high cost of living for everyday Americans. The Schumer proposal, of course, was offered in good faith. It's both a one-year extension of the Affordable Care Act tax credits. Now we're already in the middle of the open enrollment period. Tens of millions of people are on the brink of facing dramatically increased health care costs – costs that in some cases could be $1,000 or $2,000 per month. That is unaffordable for middle class Americans, working class Americans, and everyday Americans.

And the Schumer proposal also provides a path toward bipartisan negotiations for a multi-year extension, which would provide the type of certainty that the American people need.


...and if it wasn't clear enough, Rep. Jeffries then played the card that Sen. Schumer dealt him:

"Now let's understand that these Republicans have tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act more than 70 different times over the last 15 years. They're not acting in good faith as it relates to dealing with the health care crisis that they're visiting on the American people. This is the same group of folks who just enacted the largest cut to Medicaid in American history as part of their one big ugly bill. Hospitals and nursing homes and community-based health centers are closing, all across the country, including in rural America because of Republican policies. We're faced with the possibility of a $536 billion cut to Medicare at the end of this year if Congress doesn't act, connected to what they did in the one big ugly bill, and now they're refusing to extend to the Affordable Care Act tax credits for even a year –

KRISTEN WELKER:

But –

REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES:

– when they just enacted massive, permanent tax breaks for their billionaire donors. Does that seem reasonable? Is that the type of policy that the American people are screaming out for as evidenced by what just happened with Republicans being wiped out in the general election last Tuesday?"


...that was well played by both Dem leaders; albeit without accounting or allowing for any future bait Welker or her ilk ignorantly throw out there to distract from the republicans' complete ownership of the government shutdown, blocking advancement of their own partisan budget, even as their cult leader in the WH demands they eliminate the filibuster rule and get on with it.

The entire republican party is tied up in knots; tightened fast by Democratic leaders politically dominating the party ostensibly in control of all branches of government.

But all some seem to be able to do is adopt the oppositions' weaselly propaganda and lies they use to cover for their fecklessness and corruption; instead of follow and amplify our own leaders as they expose republican hypocrisy and cruelty.

I wondering when these people are ever going to be able or willing to distinguish opposition politics from ratfucking, because, you don't actually confront republicans by distorting our own leaders' actual message and initiatives as you trash them.
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I'm fucking tired of ultimatums to Dem leaders from people who think attacking our own leaders is opposition politics (Original Post) bigtree Sunday OP
AGREEEEEEEEED! Prairie Gates Sunday #1
Great post and great thread..... democratsruletheday Sunday #2
Is it a "deal' when the lone concession the other side grants is something that is never going to happen? BannonsLiver Sunday #8
A functioning federal Gov't that isn't shut down and hurting millions of people by not making democratsruletheday Sunday #10
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Sunday #11
Bye orangecrush Sunday #23
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Sunday #3
Do the majority of Congressional Democrats gab13by13 Sunday #4
They. Need. Our. Votes Javaman Sunday #5
Anybody in the media portraying our party as divided in DC is accurately portraying the situation. LonePirate Sunday #6
We are in this situation because of what happened in 2016 and 2024. Nothing happens in a vacuum. lostincalifornia Sunday #14
K & R.............. Lovie777 Sunday #7
Thank You! Cha Sunday #9
We are in this situation because of the jackasses that refused to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general election, where w lostincalifornia Sunday #12
Governor Newsom blasts the Senate deal: Pathetic. This isn't a deal. It's a surrender. Don't bend the knee! Celerity Sunday #13
. Scrivener7 Sunday #15
No kidding. demmiblue Sunday #16
Exactly. That and the constant refrain of "everything they're doing is fine!!1!!" When Scrivener7 Sunday #17
".that was well played by both Dem leaders;" bullshit....... Hotler Sunday #18
Do you include Jeffries edhopper Sunday #19
Thank you! QueerDuck Sunday #20
This pales in the face of Schumer's cave. Bobstandard Sunday #21
Just stop orangecrush Sunday #22
In a sea of reflexive hysteria, I am grateful to have washed ashore on your atoll of reason Hekate Sunday #24

democratsruletheday

(1,747 posts)
2. Great post and great thread.....
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:13 PM
Sunday

very well said. LOTSA Dems just can't grasp the fact we don't have leverage and are doing the best we can trying to strike a deal with the most corrupt Repuke leaders EVER. Is what it is.

BannonsLiver

(20,089 posts)
8. Is it a "deal' when the lone concession the other side grants is something that is never going to happen?
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:19 PM
Sunday

You realize there's no chance that enough Republicans will vote to extend the subsidies and even less of a chance that Trump would ever sign off on it, even if that did happen, right? What exactly are we getting out of the deal?

democratsruletheday

(1,747 posts)
10. A functioning federal Gov't that isn't shut down and hurting millions of people by not making
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:25 PM
Sunday

SNAP payments, VA benefits, Air Traffic Control, etc....pretty hard to get much out of it when WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEVERAGE....plain and simple folks. They have the leverage and control of all branches right now through a few SHIT show elections. Dems aren't powerless as they showed last Tuesday, but at SOME point they have to be the adults cuz tOrange shit stain and his minions want it to all crash and burn. The fact I have to lay this out to you and others is disappointing at the least and maddening at the most.

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gab13by13

(30,625 posts)
4. Do the majority of Congressional Democrats
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:16 PM
Sunday

Agree with the Schumer proposal?

Back in March the vast majority of Congressional Democrats voted no to the CR.

Won’t Schumer look bad if the vast majority of Congressional Democrats vote no again?

LonePirate

(14,308 posts)
6. Anybody in the media portraying our party as divided in DC is accurately portraying the situation.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:18 PM
Sunday

We have several Senate Dems who are going to vote to end this shutdown and sell out Americans while other Senate Dems are standing up for their party.

lostincalifornia

(4,832 posts)
14. We are in this situation because of what happened in 2016 and 2024. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:32 PM
Sunday

lostincalifornia

(4,832 posts)
12. We are in this situation because of the jackasses that refused to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general election, where w
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:29 PM
Sunday

lost 3 Supreme Court seats, and those who refused to voted for VP Harris in 2024.

There is no excuse for stupidity.

WTF did they think would happen?

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
13. Governor Newsom blasts the Senate deal: Pathetic. This isn't a deal. It's a surrender. Don't bend the knee!
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:29 PM
Sunday


Hakeem Jeffries is against the deal:

Hakeem is against the deal

Ben McAdams Memorial Act(THE NECROMANCY ARCH) (@purrtah.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T23:49:16.733Z

Scrivener7

(57,772 posts)
17. Exactly. That and the constant refrain of "everything they're doing is fine!!1!!" When
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:48 PM
Sunday

NOTHING is fine. Every time that "patience grasshopper" posse says it, it's like a guarantee that disaster is about to rain down on our heads.

Yeah, I know all about being fucking tired.

Bobstandard

(2,101 posts)
21. This pales in the face of Schumer's cave.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:29 PM
Sunday

The pro caving people already have their talking points polished. Any deal that doesn’t include extension of ACA is a massive cave. Momentum ending.

(This post only slightly oblique of original topic. But damn!)

Hekate

(100,129 posts)
24. In a sea of reflexive hysteria, I am grateful to have washed ashore on your atoll of reason
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:44 PM
Sunday
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