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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGovernor Newsom blasts the Senate deal: Pathetic. This isn't a deal. It's a surrender. Don't bend the knee! (Updated)
Last edited Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:45 PM - Edit history (1)
Here are the 8 Dem caucus members who voted to cave:
Catherine Cortez Masto
Jacky Rosen
Maggie Hassen
Jeanne Shaheen (retiring)
Angus King
John Fetterman
Tim Kaine
Dick Durbin (retiring)
Arazi
(8,547 posts)If you need confirmation Senate Democrats are fucking this whole thing up here you go. Excellent way to destroy the enthusiasm with huge Dem wins throughout the country up and down the ballot that were not even one week ago.
— Adam Parkhomenko (@adamparkhomenko.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T23:41:13.400Z
So Democrats get:
— Kevin M. Kruse (@kevinmkruse.bsky.social) 2025-11-10T00:08:43.716Z
1. A CR that will prevent the GOP from facing the wrath of Americans for a shutdown over the holidays
2. A coupon for one (1) meaningless ACA vote that will fail
3. An end to the illegal RIF/SNAP moves that are already before the courts
Those all seem like wins for the GOP.
Not sure what happened to the original but here's a different reporter's summary
— Kevin M. Kruse (@kevinmkruse.bsky.social) 2025-11-10T00:14:11.282Z
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democratsruletheday
(1,747 posts)It's the only way forward at this TIME. Those evil fuckers weren't budging and didn't care who got hurt and/or starved in the meantime. Such drama and BS from him. Disappointing...Pritzker looks better by the minute.
Celerity
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newdeal2
(4,439 posts)He did the work with Prop 50 in a short amount of time and with lots of opposition.
He also is one of the biggest vocal opponents against Trump.
I'm not saying he is my candidate for '28, but one of the biggest criteria I have is that the next candidate be a fighter and challenge conventional wisdom. There's no other way out of this mess.
B.See
(7,290 posts)Not plastic FORKS.
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EdmondDantes_
(1,142 posts)Also really, using the right wing insult is a weird thing to do.
choie
(6,386 posts)Schumer and his colleagues look like fucking colleagues - because they are.
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Bobstandard
(2,101 posts)his name is spelled N E W S O M
He is still one of those crazies from CA.
JFC critiquing one of the fighters is a sure way to play into the narrative that Dems are weak and cave.
Trueblue1968
(18,946 posts)Bobstandard
(2,101 posts)To each his own. But Im with Gavin.
valleyrogue
(2,463 posts)He is all about trying to run for president, something he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning.
Bobstandard
(2,101 posts)C Moon
(13,324 posts)NOT to run for President.
Don't really understand the hate for Newsom. Like I said, he's been a terrific governor, and he'd make a terrific President.
I mean, some people on this platform were putting Newsom down FOR HIS HAIR! I mean, WTF?
Cirsium
(3,141 posts)Attacking the Democratic governor of California, home to 9 million Democratic voters, in part to defend the surrender to the Republicans by a Senator from New Hampshire, home to 308,000 Democratic voters.
azureblue
(2,615 posts)Democrats for shutting down the government? WTF. Let the Republicans fix the mes they themselves made, first. Democrats are not obligated to clean up after a GOP fiasco.
tinrobot
(11,870 posts)...so they can take away healthcare from millions.
You don't negotiate with hostage takers.
tinrobot
(11,870 posts)TheBadWolf
(66 posts)We already have an excess of Vichy dems.
yaesu
(8,807 posts)R0ckyRac00n
(115 posts)n/t
Envirogal
(259 posts)So what is the point of the dumbs caving after 41 days? They shouldve just be the knee and let this BS go forward then said putting us through all this. Gavin was the only one really fighting with any real strategy. Im so sick of the feckless moderates that have gotten us into this position by having no fight or balls. Republican lite is why Dems poll low and are so easy to slam.
They have killed our enthusiasm so once again, ripping from the jaws of victory to defeat once again.
FHRRK
(1,302 posts)Jbraybarten
(121 posts)Gore1FL
(22,737 posts)Gavin is correct.
BannonsLiver
(20,089 posts)BWdem4life
(2,851 posts)within the course of a week. WTH is happening... lol
BannonsLiver
(20,089 posts)A much needed laugh.
OneGrassRoot
(23,906 posts)questionseverything
(11,473 posts)demmiblue
(38,941 posts)This isnât very hard, folks.
— Adam Parkhomenko (@adamparkhomenko.bsky.social) 2025-11-10T00:09:18.202Z
Celerity
(53,014 posts)Seinan Sensei
(1,253 posts)Hes grounded
Hes focused
And he will go toe-to-toe with Christian Nationalist Magotry
LonePirate
(14,308 posts)
TBF
(35,278 posts)nt
OMGWTF
(4,955 posts)Amen!
TurboDem
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Celerity
(53,014 posts)choie
(6,386 posts)who will vote against this fucking bullshit.
Celerity
(53,014 posts)And yes, you are probably right, as IF he runs again in 2028, AOC and others would use a Yes vote to roast him.
fujiyamasan
(948 posts)Im usually not in support of primarying sitting democrats for ideological reasons (big tent and all), but in this case I make an exception.
This whole fiasco was the height of incompetence. It showed him to be weak and feckless. Hes not just unworthy of a leadership position, he needs to simply resign form the senate tomorrow. The same goes with Durbin.This isnt even senate material. Theyre destroying their own legacies
TheProle
(3,840 posts)Also you should tread lightly with this repeated cuck shit. It stinks of incel Reddit slop and is a RW talking point.
Paladin
(31,988 posts)Jesus, the political milage that trump will get out of this latest Democratic cratering.
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Paladin
(31,988 posts)Count on Newsom to put Schumer to work, doing something constructive.
hamsterjill
(16,792 posts)It's truly pitiful that we have the leadership in the Democratic party that we do.
I'm old, but these old idiots need to get the fuck out of the way and let some new, younger ones with some FIRE IN THEM be in charge for a while.
I am tired of losing to bullies.
ColoringFool
(72 posts)Mayor Daley.
Not saying they were always right, but they were always tough SOBs!
hamsterjill
(16,792 posts)But we sure don't have the likes of those any more, do we?
Whyisthisstillclose
(314 posts)orangecrush
(27,534 posts)popsdenver
(980 posts)In so many many ways, this is, in fact, THE LAST NAIL IN THE COFFIN, forever more.....This "IS" the turning point......at least it "WAS"......
Tens of millions, thrown off ACA in the future, and the cost of private health insurance skyrocketing off the charts.
Once again, the decades old Republican adage: If you get sick, die.............
and....Once again, "they" are walking down the Jungle Path swatting at mosquitoes, and oblivious to the Herd of Charging Elephants. Pun Intended.
just as they have been for over 45+ years..............
We Are So Fucked, let me count the ways.........
Bayard
(27,741 posts)Dems caving now will make all of us pay. I put my rant in another thread.
We have TACO for trump. What do you think they will call DEMS?
Ol Janx Spirit
(493 posts)The Blue Carpet
The Foldocrats
The Blue
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Onama Biden Man
(37 posts)Gavin is 100% right. This is an utter betrayal and unacceptable. When voters dont show up for democrats in the midterms next year, it can be traced back to this. Democrats literally had republicans on the ropes and they pull this bullshit????? The shutdown was for nothing. Im so disgusted right now
bagimin
(1,643 posts)(esoteric reference to "Blazing Saddles" quote.
flashman13
(1,755 posts)TBF
(35,278 posts)Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@aoc.bsky.social
· 14m
The average SNAP benefit per month is $177 a person.
The average ACA benefit per month is up to $550 a person.
People want us to hold the line for a reason. This is not a matter of appealing to a base. Its about peoples lives.
And working people want leaders whose word means something to them.
Maru Kitteh
(31,000 posts)do not want to live under facsism.
No leader is perfect, but I hold the most confidence in her right now, as a leader.
TBF
(35,278 posts)both of them came out for the people yesterday afternoon & they were against caving. Both governors have been the recipients of Trump's bullying and know exactly what they are dealing with. They are willing to fight him.
We just need to get rid of the corporate sell-outs.
pat_k
(12,435 posts)Yes, Thune may get to "win" on his "no negotiation on subsidies until the shutdown is ended" but there may be some very meaningful concessions in the minibus the Republicans had to yield on to get a few Democrats on board.
Do I think they should hold out and kept hammering on how unreasonable the Republicans are being and keep pushing Shumer's one year extension as an incredibly reasonable compromise.
Absolutely YES. I think there was (and may still be) a good chance of prevailing. Republicans certainly wouldn't relish families getting together and getting REALLY pissed at them as they talk over the holidays.
The "imminent deal" could still fall apart.
Herding Democrats isn't easy. It's actually kind of amazing that Shumer has held them together this long. The last cloture vote on 11/4 was 54-44 so a couple people were out. The vote 9/30 was 55/45, so it would only take 5 defections.
One thing that strikes me as sort of interesting is that Thune's "deal" reportedly calls for at least 8 Democrats to agree to vote for cloture on the CR, so either he is expecting defections of his own, or he really, really, wants Democrats to look complicit in the bad things in the minibus (the vote wasn't even that close in the end, we only needed 60 to end debate and got 63).
It's also not clear to me if the defecting Dems are agreeing to Vote Yea only on cloture, or are they agreeing to vote Yea on the bills too?
questionseverything
(11,473 posts)yaesu
(8,807 posts)spudspud
(622 posts)WTH was the point of shutting down the government for a record amount of time, to get what essentially is a coupon for a junior sized Frosty at Wendy's? They just NUKED all the good will with our base and NPA voters, look like absolute cowards, and AGAIN prove right those who say Dems are led by monied interests and are fundamentally cowards. People will be furious about the increase in their ACA premiums, people will DIE and go bankrupt because of the increases, and all the crap the American people just went through with the shutdown now reverts to anger against the Dems.
durablend
(8,757 posts)spudspud
(622 posts)LOL.
James48
(5,047 posts)And time long ago expired.
Who are the four who have not voted?
All four have to vote yes for it to pass.
Who is it?
Celerity
(53,014 posts)CaptainTruth
(7,999 posts)Thrill
(19,342 posts)Of these weaklings
Paul-EM
(34 posts)At this juncture, I think that there is only one political party in Washington, D.C., the Insider Trading Party.
AntiFascist
(13,704 posts)These 8 Democrats believe they have a "chance" to pass the ACA extensions, but if it doesn't pass then the GOP can make them look dumb and gullible.
FHRRK
(1,302 posts)And say it was bipartisan and only the crazy liberals were trying to destroy merica due to Trump Derangement syndrome.
SunImp
(2,583 posts)Show the people how they're willing to take away food & money from everyday people
flying-skeleton
(808 posts)Every Democrat Senator who's capitulated needs to be primaries ‼️‼️‼️‼️
ProBlue24
(3 posts)Unbelievable! So let me get this straight over 7 million people marched in October, and a week ago we won in a landslide. Republicans dont want to govern, these splineless jacka$$es dont know how play hardball!
Im disgusted!!!
Blasphemer
(3,531 posts)0rganism
(25,400 posts)Is there some kind of cosmic equilibrium that can only be maintained by the Democrats continuing to take "L"s? If so, good job Chuck.
Hotler
(13,605 posts)Celerity
(53,014 posts)PurgedVoter
(2,628 posts)All it takes for me is five minutes of listening to Republicans in Congress. Doesn't matter the subject, they make it clear exactly who they are pretty quickly. Imagine that you had to listen to them all the time. How would you not know exactly how horrid they are?
Bettie
(19,116 posts)ready to vote for Newsom if we have another election.
He seems to be one of a very few who still feel the need to fight.
flying-skeleton
(808 posts)These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️
We should all donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️
valleyrogue
(2,463 posts)He gets trashed around here like Harry Reid did, like Tom Daschle did, like Dick Gephardt did. Anything but to focus on the REAL culprits.
Besides, where is the House? Are THEY going to return to work and vote on a final bill?
Cart before horse, people.
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Ping Tung
(4,002 posts)Celerity
(53,014 posts)dalton99a
(91,098 posts)JCMach1
(29,046 posts)At this moment I am 100% for a ticket of people who will actually fight this regime
Newsom
PRITZGER
OCASIO-Cortez.
I honestly dont care who is 1 or 2. Just give me two people sworn to fight fascism and fight for the people and social and economic justice.
republianmushroom
(22,023 posts)They didn't bend a knee, they got down on their elbows and knee, and asked please.
crimycarny
(1,967 posts)I don't get it, I truly don't. Why weren't the Democratic leaders on every channel, in front of every microphone, making the point that the cost of extending the ACA tax subsidies for another year was less than the $40 billion to bail out Argentina?
It seems this would have been a no-brainer. And they could have included the almost 300 million for the stupid ballroom, shown pictures of Trump's marble and gold toilet...why didn't they do this?
Instead, they argued about how devastating losing healthcare coverage would be (duh), then caved!!!!!!!!!!
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BumRushDaShow
(163,186 posts)Look up "genuflect" and what the point of that is.
There's nothing "odd". The term means something similar in a different context and in the case of BLM, it was done in lieu of the idol worship of the flag that people were supposed to "pledge to" (versus pledging loyalty to the country and its Constitution). Note that the gesture was usually done during the "Pledge of Allegiance" and it wasn't just a "bend" of the knee to the ground, but an actual "kneel" with one knee on ground for a prolonged period.
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Hassler
(4,647 posts)Last week's elections to spring this surrender. These Dems and their allies like Angus King are like a manila folder--dull and only do one thing over and over.
sellitman
(11,732 posts)Here is a prime example why.
mr715
(2,267 posts)I'm tired of hackneyed game of thrones references.
