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lapucelle

(20,864 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:21 PM Sunday

Thinking a few steps ahead ...

Folks, we need to have a little Civics #101 chat, because apparently the media no longer seems fit to explain to you whats happening.

So quick review:

The House passed a clean CR.

The senate has not passed anything.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.566Z

The ONLY way this "deal" (taken with several grains of salt) ends the shutdown is if it's identical to the house version.

The alleged "cave" by the GOP staff regurgitators at Axios is nowhere close to the house bill.

Which means it forces Johnson to convene the house to vote on it.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.567Z

This means among other things, that our awaiting reps can be seated.

But it also means that Senate Republicans betrayed Trump.

He wants them to pass the clean CR by nuclear option because he wrongly thinks he'll be able to end mail in voting.

But regardless, it means the Senate betrayed him.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.568Z

So what happens?

Well, the likelihood of the House GOP passing this bill is between 0 and absolute 0. It would be seen as a betrayal by THEIR base.

But it does mean that Dems get the 218th discharge vote for the Epstein files.

It also means that Dems can filibuster the NEXT House bill.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.569Z
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Thinking a few steps ahead ... (Original Post) lapucelle Sunday OP
Thank you, Lapucelle. sheshe2 Sunday #1
K&R and thanks, lapucelle. brer cat Sunday #2
"It forces the House to reconvene and Cha Sunday #3
Dick Durbin is on the list of "yes" votes, but Chuck Schumer isn't. lapucelle Sunday #5
TY for that, info.. Yes, It IS a Strategy... Cha Sunday #8
Their base will believe whatever Traitor tells them, and atm he's gloating about crushing the Dems Arazi Sunday #4
How did Trump crush Democrats? lapucelle Sunday #7
Sorry, but the Epstein files will not be released Wiz Imp Sunday #13
See post #19. lapucelle Sunday #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Sunday #6
Then it's the House that caved, lapucelle Sunday #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Sunday #10
Welcome to DU. lapucelle Sunday #11
see post 13 Wiz Imp Sunday #14
Well if that's true -- Go Chuck! But I have my doubts, hopefully I'm just being paranoid... Fil1957 Sunday #12
Stop getting in the way of Dem bashing!! mcar Sunday #15
Thinking? With screaming pitchfork-armed villagers and bloodhounds nipping at Democrats' heels and everything? No. betsuni Sunday #16
Joanie, you da girl! ananda Sunday #17
... lapucelle Sunday #18
Nothing happens magically overnight. lapucelle Sunday #19
This is A LOT of wishful thinking angrychair Sunday #21
Sorry, but I don't do the Republicans work for them. lapucelle Monday #25
This shutdown angrychair Monday #26
"Democratic elected officials are monsters"? lapucelle Monday #27
Trump is going to endorse the deal, and it will pass the House. tritsofme Sunday #22
Can this be in latest discussions as well? yorkster Sunday #23
This is an interesting theory or idea, that offers me a bit of hope - knowing that the House must liberalla Monday #24

Cha

(315,774 posts)
3. "It forces the House to reconvene and
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:15 PM
Sunday

vote on it".. brilliant!

The Senate Betrayed Traitor by Not going option.

Mahalos, lapucelle!

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)
5. Dick Durbin is on the list of "yes" votes, but Chuck Schumer isn't.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:25 PM
Sunday

Why would Dick Durbin (who is in leadership) be voting "yes" when he's already announced that this is his last term?

Also on the list are vulnerable Democratic senators, including Jon Ossoff. It all makes sense as strategy, but not as policy.



Cha

(315,774 posts)
8. TY for that, info.. Yes, It IS a Strategy...
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:36 PM
Sunday

and evidently Ron Flipkowski(who I like but not this) is saying. ins essence that Sen Schumer is Voting No but "it doesn't wash his hands of it".. SO?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220788404

It pisses me off.

Arazi

(8,547 posts)
4. Their base will believe whatever Traitor tells them, and atm he's gloating about crushing the Dems
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:24 PM
Sunday

Anyone believing Congressional Dems will suddenly grow a spine next time is smoking crack.

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)
7. How did Trump crush Democrats?
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:33 PM
Sunday

If the Senate passes anything other than exactly what the House sent it, the House will need to vote on whatever the Senate passes. If the House change what the Senate passed, it will have to go back to the Senate for a vote.

And when the House reconvenes, Johnson will have to seat Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva. She'll be the final vote on the discharge petition, and the Epstein files will be released.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
13. Sorry, but the Epstein files will not be released
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:24 PM
Sunday

The bill to release the files will presumably pass the House, but it would still need to be passed by the Senate and signed by Trump before it becomes law. So it's not going to get the files released. What it will do is force Republicans to all go on the record as either supporting Epstein's victims, or supporting the pedophiles named in the report. Believe me, many of them DON'T want to be forced to do this.

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betsuni

(28,545 posts)
16. Thinking? With screaming pitchfork-armed villagers and bloodhounds nipping at Democrats' heels and everything? No.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:54 PM
Sunday

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)
19. Nothing happens magically overnight.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:04 PM
Sunday

Yes, but all those mines are being laid in the ground for Republicans to step on as we speak.

angrychair

(11,468 posts)
21. This is A LOT of wishful thinking
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:05 PM
Sunday

Thune would not have agreed to any of this if he didn't already have buy-in from Johnson.

They literally fucked Democrats sideways on this and won everything they wanted with no strings attached.

angrychair

(11,468 posts)
26. This shutdown
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:25 PM
Monday

Was, according to our Democratic elected officials, about healthcare and we got absolutely nothing. They failed and made people suffer in the doing. They are monsters.

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)
27. "Democratic elected officials are monsters"?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:59 PM
Monday

That’s Republican messaging.

Like I said, I don’t promulgate Republican talking points.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
22. Trump is going to endorse the deal, and it will pass the House.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:05 PM
Sunday

This is all being too cute by half.

It’s over, if Republicans are really determined to strip voters of their ACA subsidies, they can deal with those repercussions at the polls next November.

Democrats do all they could, but ultimately we are not in power, and we can’t fight until the last federal worker has their house foreclosed on.

yorkster

(3,563 posts)
23. Can this be in latest discussions as well?
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:09 PM
Sunday

Not sure of rules, but this is important.
Thx. lapucelle.

liberalla

(10,734 posts)
24. This is an interesting theory or idea, that offers me a bit of hope - knowing that the House must
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:36 PM
Monday

return and vote to approve whatever the Senate comes up with... and then we get Adelita!!!

Thanks for posting these posts from Bluesky!

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