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Jersey Devil

(10,601 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:23 PM Sunday

So, if this "deal" is approved by the Senate doesn't the House have to vote on it?

That would mean calling the House back into session and gaining the 218th signature on the Epstein petition, no?

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So, if this "deal" is approved by the Senate doesn't the House have to vote on it? (Original Post) Jersey Devil Sunday OP
yes they would require the Senate, but there is no guarentee that they would have the votes to release the Epstein files lostincalifornia Sunday #1
Yes................. Lovie777 Sunday #2
Indeed it does. lapucelle Sunday #3
It's also my understanding that the CR isn't really clean Raven123 Sunday #7
If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it isn't, markodochartaigh Sunday #8
Tiny Johnson won't do it. Javaman Sunday #4
. RandySF Sunday #5
I'm confused, trying to find out what is going on Nictuku Sunday #6
What I've been able to gleen in post #9. pat_k Sunday #10
Advancing and amending the House CR. pat_k Sunday #9
To bad I can't Recc a post more than once, if ever, this post deserves it Nictuku Sunday #12
That is correct......................... Lovie777 Sunday #11

lostincalifornia

(4,832 posts)
1. yes they would require the Senate, but there is no guarentee that they would have the votes to release the Epstein files
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:25 PM
Sunday

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)
3. Indeed it does.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:26 PM
Sunday

Folks, we need to have a little Civics #101 chat, because apparently the media no longer seems fit to explain to you whats happening.

So quick review:

The House passed a clean CR.

The senate has not passed anything.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.566Z

The ONLY way this "deal" (taken with several grains of salt) ends the shutdown is if it's identical to the house version.

The alleged "cave" by the GOP staff regurgitators at Axios is nowhere close to the house bill.

Which means it forces Johnson to convene the house to vote on it.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.567Z

This means among other things, that our awaiting reps can be seated.

But it also means that Senate Republicans betrayed Trump.

He wants them to pass the clean CR by nuclear option because he wrongly thinks he'll be able to end mail in voting.

But regardless, it means the Senate betrayed him.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.568Z

So what happens?

Well, the likelihood of the House GOP passing this bill is between 0 and absolute 0. It would be seen as a betrayal by THEIR base.

But it does mean that Dems get the 218th discharge vote for the Epstein files.

It also means that Dems can filibuster the NEXT House bill.

STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.569Z

Raven123

(7,300 posts)
7. It's also my understanding that the CR isn't really clean
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:40 PM
Sunday

It adds money to Trump's priority- deporting immigrants.

Javaman

(64,881 posts)
4. Tiny Johnson won't do it.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:26 PM
Sunday

The orange asshole has commanded him to keep it closed, never swear in the new Dem and better make sure the Epstein vote either goes away or he better make sure it’s guaranteed it’s bound to fail if the reopen.

So the long and short of it is; it ain’t opening back up

Nictuku

(4,461 posts)
6. I'm confused, trying to find out what is going on
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:33 PM
Sunday

I've been away from media all day. It sounds like a senate deal is underway. I turned to C-SPAN 1 and 2 and Zilch. Other programming.

I googled (er, duckduckduckGo'ed_ and have not seen anything relevant to this happening now.)

OK, as I was writing this, I found a CNN article that required me to sign up or something (really CNN? Something SO IMPORTANT to the Country?) Maybe all they wanted was my email address, but even that is too much (besides, they get it already just by visiting the website) I digress.

This is what I was able to find, from The Hill:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5597679-senate-funding-measure-shutdown-end/

Politico:
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/11/09/congress/prewrite-congress-finalizes-3-bill-funding-package-to-sweeten-shutdown-endgame-00643762

Independent:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/shutdown-congress-republicans-democrats-deal-b2861825.html

pat_k

(12,436 posts)
9. Advancing and amending the House CR.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 07:59 PM
Sunday

Last edited Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:50 PM - Edit history (2)

From The Guardian

Senators plan to vote on advancing a House-passed stopgap funding bill as early as Sunday night, with the understanding that it would be amended to combine a short-term funding measure with a package of three full-year appropriations bills, the Senate’s Republican majority leader, John Thune, said.


From WaPo
The agreement would also aim to reverse more than 4,000 federal layoffs the Trump administration attempted to implement earlier in the shutdown. It also includes language that would prevent future layoffs through Jan. 30 in a federal workforce already reeling from tens of thousands of layoffs earlier this year.


The minibus appropriations package consists of three bills to fund military construction, veterans affairs, the Department of Agriculture and the legislative branch through fiscal 2026.

Sounds like the main drivers of the minibus negotiations from the Democrats side (negotiations that have been going on for some time) are Sens. Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.) and Maggie Hassan (N.H.) and perhaps other ranking members of the relevant committees.

Jeanne Shaheen is the Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. the Ranking Member of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense and the Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations and Related Programs

Senator Maggie Hassan is the ranking member of the Joint Economic Committee and the Subcommittee on Health Care of the Senate Finance Committee.

Some are reporting that the minibus package does not include some of the cuts that were in HR-1 (MAGA Murder Budget). Text has been released, but I can't find specifics of what the Republicans have agreed to jettison or scale back on. Who knows? Maybe they quietly jettisoned the cuts to SNAP in the USDA bill and aren't being noisy about it because they don't want a bruhaha about it from the felon and he'd be clueless if fox doesn't report it.

Others reportedly in on the negotiations, some of which are likely to be Yes votes tonight (if there ever is a vote tonight): Sens. Jacky Rosen (Nev.), Tammy Baldwin (Wis.), Mark Kelly (Ariz.), Jon Ossoff (Ga.), Gary Peters (Mich.) and Dick Durbin (Ill.)

Apparently, whatever wins they got into the minibus are enough for the necessary handful of Democrats to accept Thune's "handshake" agreement to put a bill on extending the ACA subsides to a vote in the Senate in December. That doesn't actually matter much. Johnson says he won't put ACA subsidies to a House vote, but he's getting pressure from his own people, so if Thune comes through and an ACA extension does pass the Senate in December, he will be hard pressed to keep it from going to the House floor.

On edit: Bit from NBC:
The Senate could start voting on the bill as early as Sunday night. Final passage through the Senate could be quick, but any one senator who opposes the deal could drag it out for days.

If it passes, it would then head to the House, which has been on recess since September. And it is not clear that the deal has the support of House Democrats.


Rand Paul has already said he would drag it out if the agriculture part of the minibus doesn't give him what he wants on hemp for his state.


Nictuku

(4,461 posts)
12. To bad I can't Recc a post more than once, if ever, this post deserves it
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:21 PM
Sunday

Thank you so much for setting everything out so clearly in this firehose of information. I REALLY appreciate it.

Lovie777

(21,088 posts)
11. That is correct.........................
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 08:13 PM
Sunday

Democrats in my opinion kinda sorta made the Republicans stink. All of this bullshit because they did not want to extend the ACA subsides.

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