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SamuelTheThird

(419 posts) Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:09 PM Sunday

If Schumer is really a 'no', he should be pressuring and threatening the yes votes

There's a lot the DNC could do to those Senators

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If Schumer is really a 'no', he should be pressuring and threatening the yes votes (Original Post) SamuelTheThird Sunday OP

Did they do it behind his back? Oh Noes!! leftstreet Sunday #1

I think it's pretty obvious choie Sunday #2

... orangecrush Sunday #3

How do you know he is not? Eko Sunday #4

bwaaaah! choie Sunday #7

So you admit you dont know. Thanks Eko Sunday #9

You may not have heard choie Sunday #13

Yes. What do you think senators have to do what the leader says? Eko Sunday #17

That fig leaf "no" ain't fig-leafing. RockRaven Sunday #5

Think it through. Dick Durbin is reportedly as "yes". lapucelle Sunday #6

This isn't at all how the yes votes are defending it SamuelTheThird Sunday #8

Why would they defend it this way? lapucelle Sunday #10

So theyre going out there on tv trumpeting an ACA vote that won't happen? SamuelTheThird Sunday #11

No, actually they're staying mum about next steps. lapucelle Sunday #12

Here's the weak link in your chain SamuelTheThird Sunday #15

It's not my chain, but it is indeed the weakest link. lapucelle Sunday #16

Here's how the NYT is reporting it. lapucelle Sunday #14

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)

1. Did they do it behind his back? Oh Noes!!

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:10 PM

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Will they all get stripped of their committee positions?

choie

(6,387 posts)

2. I think it's pretty obvious

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:12 PM

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Schumer is playing games. Of course he's a yes, he just doesn't want his hands dirty. He won't lift a finger to pressure them.

orangecrush

(27,534 posts)

3. ...

Reply to choie (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:14 PM

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Eko

(9,794 posts)

4. How do you know he is not?

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:18 PM

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choie

(6,387 posts)

7. bwaaaah!

Reply to Eko (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:27 PM

Sunday

Eko

(9,794 posts)

9. So you admit you dont know. Thanks

Reply to choie (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:28 PM

Sunday

choie

(6,387 posts)

13. You may not have heard

Reply to Eko (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:40 PM

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but Schumer is the minority leader - the leader of the Senate Democrats. Do you actually think they would negotiate without his stamp of approval? Really?

Eko

(9,794 posts)

17. Yes. What do you think senators have to do what the leader says?

Reply to choie (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:27 PM

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Remember when John McCain voted against the ACA repeal? Was he doing the leaders will by voting against it?

RockRaven

(18,349 posts)

5. That fig leaf "no" ain't fig-leafing.

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:20 PM

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lapucelle

(20,864 posts)

6. Think it through. Dick Durbin is reportedly as "yes".

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:21 PM

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How does that make sense? Here's how.

Folks, we need to have a little Civics #101 chat, because apparently the media no longer seems fit to explain to you whats happening.

So quick review:

The House passed a clean CR.

The senate has not passed anything.
— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.566Z

The ONLY way this "deal" (taken with several grains of salt) ends the shutdown is if it's identical to the house version.

The alleged "cave" by the GOP staff regurgitators at Axios is nowhere close to the house bill.

Which means it forces Johnson to convene the house to vote on it.
— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.567Z

This means among other things, that our awaiting reps can be seated.

But it also means that Senate Republicans betrayed Trump.

He wants them to pass the clean CR by nuclear option because he wrongly thinks he'll be able to end mail in voting.

But regardless, it means the Senate betrayed him.
— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.568Z

So what happens?

Well, the likelihood of the House GOP passing this bill is between 0 and absolute 0. It would be seen as a betrayal by THEIR base.

But it does mean that Dems get the 218th discharge vote for the Epstein files.

It also means that Dems can filibuster the NEXT House bill.
— STEMthebleeding (@stemthebleeding.bsky.social) 2025-11-09T20:32:26.569Z

SamuelTheThird

(419 posts)

8. This isn't at all how the yes votes are defending it

Reply to lapucelle (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:27 PM

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Listening to MSNBC

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)

10. Why would they defend it this way?

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:33 PM

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There's no benefit to defending it as a strategy.

A "yes" vote protects vulnerable red/purple state senators (especially Ossof).

SamuelTheThird

(419 posts)

11. So theyre going out there on tv trumpeting an ACA vote that won't happen?

Reply to lapucelle (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:35 PM

Sunday

Yeah, I don't think so

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)

12. No, actually they're staying mum about next steps.

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:40 PM

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Did anyone on MSNBC mention that the bill has to go back to the House?

SamuelTheThird

(419 posts)

15. Here's the weak link in your chain

Reply to lapucelle (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:09 PM

Sunday

Well, the likelihood of the House GOP passing this bill is between 0 and absolute 0. It would be seen as a betrayal by THEIR base.

This holds no water, the Senators are voting without fear of their base over this. What's the difference with the house?

It's possible Johnson doesnt want the House open due to Epstein. We'll see. If not, then the bill can maybe pass.

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)

16. It's not my chain, but it is indeed the weakest link.

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:26 PM

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Johnson is free to reconvene the House and hold a vote on the Senate's compromise bill. He is equally free to pass his own bill that will then have to go back to the Senate.

A Republican source familiar with the negotiations told The Hill that at least 10 Democrats are now expected to vote to let the House bill advance so it can be amended with the substitute legislation.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5597679-senate-funding-measure-shutdown-end/

As for "fear of the base", senators each have different "bases", as do representatives. I think it's unwise to assume that the type of voters who make up Jon Ossoff's base are the same as those who make up Elizabeth Warren's base.

lapucelle

(20,864 posts)

14. Here's how the NYT is reporting it.

Reply to SamuelTheThird (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 09:43 PM

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Democratic Defectors Relent on Shutdown, Backing Bill to Reopen

A small but critical group of Democrats were said to support legislation to fund the government, providing the votes to eventually end the shutdown.

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