something. While it’s sad those covered under enhanced ACA could lose coverage, the ACA that was in place before COVID is still intact. That’s some small consolation if we can’t drum up enough help to get at last some subsidies for enhanced coverage.

I have talked over a dozen people and not a single person has seen anything less than a quadrupling of their premiums.

It’s bad, either way.

insurance for my husband and me goes from $230 a month to $2526 per month with a $10,000 per person deductible. We were paying these rates when we had our small business for the last 30 years. Now we are retired without the income to pay these premiums. $2526 is more than my mortgage and all household bills combined. I am hopeless.

Dial it back.

And badly to boot.

We'll see how far this goes before it's time for some Tombstone.

sure, bro

It’s a safety net. Your rates will go up.

Especially if your income is low.

gain access to care. Please research what the law involved, before engaging in discussion.

and why the ACA was able to work.

That, as every Democrat and honest person agrees, is the problem.

which means they are cut. The goal is to enrich the insurance companies and drive people like you bankrupt.

I don’t need the ACA because I have good insurance from my work, but I benefit from many provisions in the bill. Trump has announced that he wants his lickspittle in Congress to end it. Strangely, even though I don’t use ACA, I care about those affected more than you do.

Your proposal that it should be cut off to everyone making over $40k is shocking. It shows no understanding of medical costs for severe or chronic illnesses and the rate at which people were going bankrupt before ACA.

No one here thinks ACA is perfect. Most support single payer. That, however, is not Trump’s solution.

Your admiration of MAGA is badly misplaced. They are working to enrich billionaires at the expense of your health and ability to feed yourself. Why are you so anxious to further enrich the wealthiest Americans and line Trump’s pockets?

Which is $83,700. $60k is not close to wealthy.

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-286.html

“To you” is irrelevant. There is actually data on household incomes.

for many people the aca was necessary, though not sufficient. the aca delayed the collapse of the system by about a decade

medicare is, of course, the pot of money that trump really wants. who is going to stop him?

“Shop around the marketplace or something.”? Are you kidding me?

First, you don’t deserve it, but let me humor you. The age of Medicare eligibility is 65. I am younger than 65 and so is my spouse. Why are we retired? We owned a business for 38 years that we are closing.

Second, I don’t know where you live, but I live in Montana. There are TWO insurance corporations that offer plans to individuals and families in my state including the marketplace. Two companies means ZERO competition.

“This is just extra subsidies “? What does that even mean? Good grief.

It is not only the "enhanced" subsidies. Those are expiring. The standard ACA subsidies are also at risk. The preznit is already yammering about it -- as usual, without ANY real plans in mind, just "something better."

The working class and children -- the people whose labor and purchasing fuels the economy and makes the fat cats FAT - mean nothing to Republicans. It seems the more desperate they are, the better - as long as they can delude them into thinking it's all the Democrats' fault.

Infuriating.

From the NYTimes today:

I loved that part.

Troll for sure.

Truly my heart breaks for you and your husband and everyone else.
I still have employer healthcare but what so many fail to realize is that they are all tied together. Employer provided insurance will collapse just as quickly as the ACA

for your kind words and the thread.

You are correct. It’s all tied together. Employer sponsored insurance will be the last to tumble but it will go down eventually. We’re in trouble when it comes to health insurance. The rethugs have all but guaranteed that. Meanwhile, they continue to enjoy tax payer funded health insurance.

that this is happening to you and others.

and, now that they know they can count on a particular group of Dems to do as they are told, the ACA will very likely to be gone before the end of first quarter of next year, maybe even by the end of this year.

We'll see the very same ones who voted for this voting for the end of the ACA before too long, with some solemn pronouncements about going along to get along or something.

Now they know what buttons to push to ensure compliance.

just do as they are told. Honestly, they don't even need to press the buttons anymore, just tell them what they want and it gets done.

destroying America, and if Democrats can't stand up to that, who the hell can?

And when he doesn't get what he wants, he starts killing the hostages - one by one...or thousands at a time.

Dump can rant on Lies Social and say “fake vote” and they’ll cave. I really do need my SNAP, but I feel it was coming because we are right legally. Meanwhile health care goes way up for so many.

and who did not.

They don't even know who passes laws. Half don't know which Party is in power

know. Election by election. State by state. R’s will now own healthcare.

Thus is a disturbing and disappointing situation, regardless.

That is 33% of my income after taxes and I live in expensive CA.

I am NOT happy yet I am not surprised. I am a realist.

I wonder how (or IF) the MSM is going to report the number of suicides as a result of this BS. When people are broke, sick, in pain, tired, frustrated, no hope, etc they simply quit. Many people who have medical issues will be considering this option.

Should I send you copies of my ACA bills from 2013 to 2025? Why are you arguing over this? You are wasting my time. Bye!

A third of your income on medical insurance premiums is very high.

The question is, how long will people live without health insurance. We are talking about the collapse of society as we know it. The people who had insurance were keeping the docs and medical system afloat in some form. We’re talking about closures of facility after facility. Everyone but the wealthy will be locked out and only then at special facilities.

Eventually many had to stop offering insurance. By the time the ACA came along it was the only lifeline. Before that Preexisting conditions precluded many from insurance at all. When the ACA goes many will be uninsurable. Right now the ACA is written that everyone must have insurance. Expect those who can’t afford it to be sent to a camp or erased. . It seems to be a pattern

In civilized states, the poorest Americans receive Medicaid, or they will until 2026. In my state, a household of two is eligible for Medicaid if they make less than $43k. The poorest Americans don’t need ACA. It’s middle incomes that do. ACA’s purpose is to lower insurance costs and to keep Americans from going bankrupt because they get ill. It’s not perfect by any means, but it was the best they could get at the time. If the electorate had the good sense to vote for Democrats in sufficient numbers at the federal level, it could be greatly improved. Instead, they’ve put Trump and his party of MAGAT clowns in power, and all they do is shit all over ACA while offering no substitution. They don’t give a shit if you die. Trump laughs at his supporters because they are stupid enough to believe he gives a damn about them.

Meanwhile, they funnel government subsidies to billionaires, but you don’t complain about that. Instead you resent anyone making $41K not going bankrupt.

As a brand new member of DU, you are starting off on the wrong foot.

If you're deliberately trying to antagonize people, you are definitely succeeding.

Funny, you could have fooled me.

a month is well off?

The poor have medicaid. The ACA helped the middle class. No one should pay 1/3 of their income for healthcare.

you are engaging in.

Fox viewer?

Musk fan? MAGA?

If the bullshit talking points fit …

$50-100k is middle class, not wealthy.

I say this as an old fart on social security. Until we both retired, my husband and I used to have an income in that range, and we weren't even almost "wealthy.'

What a sick joke.

What does that even mean? Please be explicit.

We don’t spew racist or anti-poor innuendo on DU. If that isn’t what you meant to do, please explain what you did mean.

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They live in gun country. As more young white males raised around firearms lose their jobs, lose loved ones to preventable deaths because of the absence of health care, and lose loved ones to increased crime and substance abuse due to the despair caused by the loss of life options for upward mobility, those responsible will be more likely to be targeted. In Blue areas they would be protested and roasted but in Red areas they cultivated a culture that they thought would target the people they scapegoated but their constituents aren't stupid. They know who sold them out.

Who are literally fucked. I am praying that they don't have a medical emergency that either kills them because they won't have necessary preventative/maintenance care or are bankrupted.

So…yay….I guess.

Exposes the fundamental flaw of the ACA, which is that it was just a bill to guarantee insurance companies more customers. It was never going to effectively control costs or ensure that every American could access health care (as opposed to health insurance). The healthcare sector is a market in failure. It does not work, and I defy anyone to prove that it does.

It is past time for a real public health care system, and maybe we will eventually get it.

As Churchill said, you can count on Americans to do the right thing, once they’ve tried everything else.

In the meantime, people will continue to struggle and suffer and go into debt and forgo lifesaving care.

when they passed the ACA.

Now all we have is Trump laughing his ass off.

The public option was just a choice qualifying people and firms could make when faced with all the plans in the ACA marketplace. I would not have been all encompassing.

The progressive idea was a universal single-payer plan, like “Medicare for All.” A fully public health system (like the UK) could perhaps be described as the radical left position. And there was substantial support in the House for Medicare for All.

So let’s be clear what was killed in the ACA debate. A moderate, fully centrist option was killed in favor of a plan that relies wholly on heavily subsidizing the private sector. Aside from the Medicaid expansion portion of the ACA, it is a 100 % right of center plan (moderately right of center, but right of center nonetheless). It’s Romneycare, cheese and rice.