They've been squawking away about SaVe tHe ACA subsidies, Oh the poor peoples!

And now - what? What was it all about? Just tricks to get the election results last week?

Unbelievable

From the minority, that is realistically all we could ever do.

Because people wanted to “fight”, but there was little doubt all along that this is how it would end. I think the point was made after a week.

Regardless, I don’t think Democrats pay any price politically.

In the end I think there is still a chance at preserving the subsidies in some form, but I given their hatred of the ACA wouldn’t put pure political suicide beyond Republicans.

Outrage over the shutdown boosted our turnout, there is no question of that to me.

Were those wins worth the pain inflected? Of that I am not sure.

that the Retrumplicans would gleefully starve millions of people.

I am not going to play their stupid and destructive "blame Democrats" game.

This is going to be a long haul. As long as Retrumplicans have ALL the power, the only true solution is to MAKE SURE THEY LOSE THAT POWER!

Come next election. Joe Rogan will blather on about something and they will get all riled up.

Both to pocketbooks and directly to people’s health.

The doctors they are seeing right now, the medicine they are taking, will become unaffordable to millions. This isn’t hurting “others” it’s coming right for them.

I'm pretty sure this is how we went to Iraq, too. I remember Daschle and Gephardt racing to the White House to see who could roll over the fastest and hardest.

On Tuesday, America said, "Democrats, Be our Champions!" On Sunday, Democrats replied by surrendering.

But Indo think the electorate won’t make rhat distinction. What a disgrace.

You make very good points

But right now it's looking like they never intended to save the ACA subsidies. Although it was great campaigning fodder

With that, the Dems over performed five short days ago, the Shitstain numbers are dropping, people are pissed for numerous reasons, mainly against Repubs, yet we have diminishing returns?

FFS, this is something I would expect fro Fox News, right before they gloated about Dems caving.

You then blame voters that didn’t turnout almost a decade ago! Fucking insane, how about we blame the weak assed mother fuckers who capitulate, because the voters showed up on Tuesday due to some Dems actually fighting.

And as of Jan 1 millions will be hungry and will be struggling how to pay for health insurance as they battle the rising prices. Then on Jan 30, those people who have worked without pay will once again be working without pay as they battle the government shutdown once again. Only this time they will be joined by the already starving millions.

The ACA is dead now. Even if the football isn’t pulled - the subsidies won’t pass or Trump will veto should they miraculously pass in the House and Senate.

And the momentum and excitement for the election we just had is gone. Voters who came out with enthusiasm will think long and hard about supporting a party that allows a handful of useless idiots to rob them of the healthcare they once had.

Schumer is no leader. Where was the threat to lose DNC money, the loss of committee seats, the support behind primary challengers?

I am horrified and demoralized and flabbergasted that for less than 3 months the TSA and air traffic controllers will be paid yet people’s premiums will be doubling and tripling and with their yearly deductibles and copays will pay tens of thousands of dollars each year and never get a penny back from an insurance co only for the privilege of doing it again the following year (if they even can afford to buy that) and that’s supposed to be a win for the American people and they should thank the Democrats for keeping the government t open for 3 months.

Or maybe there won’t be a government shutdown on January 30th because what would be the point? Just give the Republican’s everything they want since that’s the Democratic way it appears.

Even Abigail Spanberger said that "fight to the death and let people starve" was NOT the message the voters sent on Tuesday.

This is a WIN.

The American people blamed Donnie Dipshit and the Retrumplicans for the shutdown by double digit numbers. You know who will get credit for ending it? The Dems.

More than anything, I want a return to sanity in government!

People are just sick of the chaos...chaos that can be laid at the feet of the party in power.

When you have no power, all you can do is kick and scream about what those with power are doing. At some point, you need to face the fact that, unless the voters make a massive change to whatever the fuck is currently in the majority in the White House, House and Senate, there is very little that can be done.

It's like being upset, that no matter how hard they fight, the Sisters of the Poor aren't going to beat Ohio State on the football field.

Dems showed the American people the absolute evil and cruelty of those they themselves gave the reigns of political power to.

We have a golden opportunity to return to normal, decent, compassionate government, as long as we don't "blanking" blame the Dems for trying to get us there.

we must do it. After all she also said

What a winning strategy and complete misunderstanding of who Trump is.

Yeah, I’m going to listen to her. Have a feeling if she said this before her election the results would have been different.

We're at a point of diminishing returns. It is what it is, and for a person like myself I need to just die quietly and respect that the Democratic Party I worked for, supported and voted for my entire life can't hold the line and fight for me.

Seriously? You think I cannot be mad at the Democrats for this? That's hilarious.

I'm literally sitting here planing to get as much press as I'm dying as I possibly can to make them see what they voted for.

I do not plan on going gently into this goodnight without making one hell of a scene. It's gonna be a pitiful and graphic mess, too.

I grimly support this. I am opposed to attention for the wrong reasons. These are the right ones. No cancer patient should have to worry like this. How fucking sleazy, crass, callous and heartless can you get?

Diminishing returns means diminishing concerns for some it seems.

I now know my life apparently held zero worth to the Democratic Party, but as an adorable middle aged, middle class Mimi of two precious little granddaughters I vow watching me die is about to become a spectacle they're going to wish they'd never voted to let happen.

It’s just the useless traitor fucks who don’t value people like you.

I just think that anger is directed at the wrong party.

I'm angry at a Retrumplican Party that would gleefully starve my fellow Americans, but my white hot rage is for the people that gave them the power to starve

We got nothing. This is disgraceful.

I bet you they're banking on people blaming the Republicans for when we start dying off. I mean, a lot of the folks who are going to die are in red states, right? These turncoat Dems probably are foolish enough to think it'll cause a revolution amongst their folks. It won't, of course. They're already saying it's a sacrifice to take Obamacare away from the "illegals". Those folks are several French fries shy of a happy meal. We need to accept that fact.

Meanwhile I'm literally sitting here plotting a spectacle of epic proportions in which I WILL blame the Democratic Party cave of support for the ACA on my death if it causes such. I'm thinking the NYT and ProPublica? Thoughts, folks?

The overall public is short sighted, selfish, stupid, and easily distracted.

while working for votes on ACA subsidies for 90 days.

Now is not the time to put pressure on the Dems. Now is the time to put pressure on the Retrumplicans.

Why even bother with the shutdown if we were just going to cave anyway?

We could have saved people a lot of angst and hardship.

Let's face it: We collapsed. In the face of a broad, electoral statement of support, we decided to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Yes, I'm glad people are getting food. Great. Especially before the holidays. But people WILL lose healthcare over this and that means people will DIE because of this. And worse, the Republicans now know they can win by imposing pain. They know they just need to keep inflicting MORE pain until we cry Uncle. And we'll get a short reprieve until they do it again. Only THIS time, the public won't believe us when we say we'll fight.

And I know most Democrats held strong. That won;t be the message the voting public take away from this.

This was our chance. We needed to stand firm HERE. We failed.

The failure is structural. We don't have the votes.

But leadership (or anyone else) is utterly delusional if they think voters will reward Democratic candidates for this performance, or punish Republicans proportionally to their deserts.

What Senate Democrats accomplished today was drastically increasing their portion of blame for the shutdowns hardships while offloading none of the blame for ACA price spikes. And looking feckless/unreliable to boot.

If this was how they were going to handle things in the end, they never should have gone this far down this road. Everyone would have been better served if the priority from the beginning was attaching ACA price spikes to the Repugs, not making a futile attempt to stop them only to then cross that line oneself.

they were being blamed for it.

But this capitulation will kill enthusiasm and morale. You watch. We built tremendous momentum and then tossed it out the door.

Schumer should impost consequences on those who broke ranks. He won't, but he should. He doesn't have the stomach for the fight.