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,regardless of what ever kind off politician ju-jitsu Schumer thinks he just committed, the news tomorrow will be that the Dems gave in and trump won.
Bank on it
50 million Americans who rely on ACA, snap and any other public assistance, will be completely and thoroughly fucked.
And the immediate fallout from this with effect every single working class person in this nation, from healthcare costs, to food costs, etc.
The long term fallout will be the death of many many people.
This nation, not just us Dems, were just condemned by the spineless senators that voted for this horseshit
Everyone knows the repukes are not honorable. They promise everything just to get what they want, then tell us, fuck off, who the fuck are you? When we demand them to stand by their words.
We are in a nation currently occupied by a new form of nazism and a gestapo making people disappear.
And we think that giving into these people is the correct thing to do?
Trump and his ilk maybe the Nazis, but fuck man, our current senators who voted for this are the Weimar Republic.
yaesu
(8,807 posts)a kennedy
(34,842 posts)Javaman
(64,878 posts)About 50 million Americans get fucked, though, huh?
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TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)People will be complaining about why they are paying money (for the tax penalty you have to pay for being uninsured) for a health insurance plan that is not affordable. People are overestimating the Democratic Party's intelligence and underestimating the Republicans. That seems to be a problem around here.
Arazi
(8,547 posts)returnee
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Javaman
(64,878 posts)Itll limp along until maybe the end of the year, but I see all funding for it cut off very very soon.
And if the repukes hold to their history, theyll probably cut it right before Christmas. Just to add an extra fuck you for good measure
Arazi
(8,547 posts)The marketplace only survives with a large pool of participants to spread the risk.
High premiums will just lock millions out and it dies via attrition as insurance companies opt out of participating at any price
Lancero
(3,256 posts)Trump spent every day of the shutdown blaming "The Democrats!" for it, while our repose was that it's a Republican majority and they could open the government back up whenever they so pleased.
...So now, here we have the government opening back up. Not because of the Republican majority getting their shit together and opening it... But because Democrats decided to vote in favor of opening it back up.
We just legitimized every bit of blame that Trump was laying at our feet.
hadEnuf
(3,457 posts)We have no microphone and the ones we do get to use once and a while have MAGATs controlling the volume on and off while we are speaking, as they laugh.
We are throwing rocks at tanks because we dismantled ours so we wouldn't "be like them".
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)The insurance will be too costly, and people will then have to pay the tax penalty for not carrying any insurance. And that is how Republicans will kill the ACA.
Silent Type
(11,959 posts)We still have some GOPer support for enhanced ACA subsidies.
All 250 of our delegation should be on Capitol steps tomorrow call for ACA subsidies, PAYGO Waiver for automatic 4% Medicare cut, etc.
Think theyll show up?
LuvLoogie
(8,404 posts)Performative bullshit.
Jeezuz what do I tell my daughters? This country sucks.
FHRRK
(1,302 posts)That Moses Mike wont even bring ACA subsidies up for a clean vote.
Smirking ass will pull a Gingrich (contract with America) and weasel out.
Jack Valentino
(3,989 posts)(for a well-deserved trip to the woodshed!)
PRAISE THE LORD if that happens!
Hugin
(37,113 posts)BOHICAd twice. Once by a known enemy and then again by our own.
yourout
(8,649 posts)The next election the centerpiece needs to be a public option for Medicare.
underpants
(193,864 posts)Its easy copy.
roamer65
(37,811 posts)Let that sink in.
COBRA coverage will be only half of my estimated ACA premium.
I would run out COBRA then go without until Medicare.
OrwellwasRight
(5,305 posts)Are feckless, lack commitment and backbone, dont stand for anything, etc.
Honestly, when the reputation and popularity of the party is already so low, the last thing you do is justovernightcave in. Americans may love an underdog, but they love winners ever more. And they hate quitters.
Trump and the Republicans are the winners here. This capitulation will stain the partyeveryone who carries a D after their nameeven those who didnt give up the fight.
Look, I agree the shutdown shouldnt go on forever. But the better way to go should have been to find desperate Rs on the other side who were maybe ready to cave as welland negotiate a deal with them. Both sides give something and everyone can claim a win. There is no explanation for this the general public will be able to understand. Why put them through the pain? It makes other peoples pain look like a game.
But as it is? Now its just a cluster. What was the shutdown for? Apparently, nothing. No way to spin this as a win. And so, will Federal employees be grateful the Democrats had their pay suspended for six weeks and got literally nothing out it? Will food stamp recipients be grateful? Will airlines customers? Will families on the ACA? What a disaster!
rampartd
(2,958 posts)trump is not bound by any deal his senators make,
i think we are occupied by a private equity scheme that is selling america's assets and will leave the liabilities , like us, in bankruptcy.
usonian
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Onama Biden Man
(37 posts)The shutdown was killing Trump and the GOP. They continued to tank in the polls. We had them on the ropes and they were eventually going to be decimated politically as this went on. What do the senate democrats do? Completely capitulate to Trump and willingly hand over all leverage to him on a willing bended knee. Its disgusting. These democrats have killed the ACA. Im pretty sure Schumer was completely fine with it behind closed doors. How do you think Lyndon Johnson would have handled these turncoat democrats if he was minority leader?? Its all so depressing. These traitors have screwed us all and have killed all of the momentum coming out of last week. Pathetic & depressing
yellow dahlia
(3,982 posts)When ACA is no longer, people will die because they don't get regular healthcare.
People who don't have healthcare will go back to using ER's for regular healthcare. It will take away from the emergency care system. The hospitals and communities will absorb the cost. Hospitals will fail.
Healthcare premiums will go up for all of us - those who can actually afford healthcare (at all) that is. The drain on the system will have collateral damage.
There was a reason the ACA was implemented.
Right now healthcare is mandatory, just as car insurance is mandatory. I guess those who go back to being without health care because it is not affordable will technically be breaking the law.
(
Correction: individual mandate struck down by SCOTUS. Thanks for the help standingtall.)
Taking away the ACA subsidies will result in a system-wide break down.
And most of all - people will die.
standingtall
(3,144 posts)I'm pretty sure it was. So no people without health insurance will not be breaking the law. Sadly everything else in your post is probably accurate.
yellow dahlia
(3,982 posts)I'm glad people won't be breaking the law.
AverageOldGuy
(3,152 posts)The shutdown was hurting Trump. Ending it helps him.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2025/11/democrats-shutdown-mistake/684878/
ms.pamela
(66 posts)Completely agree.
Junipercity
(72 posts)It can be tricky negotiating when someone has a knife to your throat. I speak from experience.
And I am speaking not just metaphorically, but as in this case, quite literally.
That m*therfu*ker is a stone cold psychopath. And he's wielding a knife. He has no intent of negotiating and the blade is beginning to bite.
Quick! What do you do.
Klarkashton
(4,563 posts)And maga loves it.
Joinfortmill
(19,489 posts)flying-skeleton
(808 posts)These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️
I will donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️