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Javaman

(64,878 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:22 PM Sunday

Now what's going to happen is this

,regardless of what ever kind off politician ju-jitsu Schumer thinks he just committed, the news tomorrow will be that the Dems gave in and trump won.

Bank on it

50 million Americans who rely on ACA, snap and any other public assistance, will be completely and thoroughly fucked.

And the immediate fallout from this with effect every single working class person in this nation, from healthcare costs, to food costs, etc.

The long term fallout will be the death of many many people.

This nation, not just us Dems, were just condemned by the spineless senators that voted for this horseshit

Everyone knows the repukes are not honorable. They promise everything just to get what they want, then tell us, “fuck off, who the fuck are you?” When we demand them to stand by their words.

We are in a nation currently occupied by a new form of nazism and a gestapo making people disappear.

And we think that giving into these people is the correct thing to do?

Trump and his ilk maybe the Nazis, but fuck man, our current senators who voted for this are the Weimar Republic.

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Now what's going to happen is this (Original Post) Javaman Sunday OP
Yep, exactly. nt yaesu Sunday #1
All the Federal employees will get paid too..... a kennedy Sunday #2
I guess you missed the part in my post Javaman Sunday #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Sunday #5
+1 TheRealNorth Monday #31
That's the law. They were always going to get paid Arazi Monday #22
The law, how quaint. n/t returnee Monday #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Sunday #3
Beginning of the end of ACA? It's dead. Javaman Sunday #6
It's dead because millions of people will drop out Arazi Monday #23
The sad thing is though, we'll more than have earned that blame. Lancero Sunday #15
Of course we'll be blamed for it. Fox Fake Propaganda will make sure of that. hadEnuf Sunday #17
Exactly TheRealNorth Monday #32
Enhanced ACA beneficiaries will be screwed. SNAP continues now, as do paychecks, etc. Silent Type Sunday #7
Not another Capitol Steps pole dance. LuvLoogie Sunday #9
And I will bet anyone $100 FHRRK Sunday #8
Maybe Jesus will take him home early, Jack Valentino Sunday #10
Even if it passes Tantrum Tito is sure to veto it. Hugin Sunday #12
This will be the death of the ACA. yourout Sunday #11
Democrats in Disarray will be the theme. You are right. underpants Sunday #13
It will be actually way cheaper for COBRA insurance for me if I get laid off. roamer65 Sunday #14
It's this kind of thing that cements the idea that Democrats OrwellwasRight Sunday #16
there have been vichy democrats forever. rampartd Sunday #18
Trump congratulates Democrats, with an Executive Order. usonian Sunday #19
It's incredible how we went from such an emotional high last week to such a devastating letdown today Onama Biden Man Monday #20
And the healthcare system and American citizens will feel the pain. yellow dahlia Monday #21
I thought the individual mandate in the ACA was struck down by the consevative supreme court standingtall Monday #25
Oh - thanks for the correction. yellow dahlia Monday #26
Here's the Atlantic's take on the Democratic surrender AverageOldGuy Monday #24
We are F***** ms.pamela Monday #27
Quick! What do you do. Junipercity Monday #28
This country is looking more and more like Russia every day Klarkashton Monday #29
Amen, brother. Joinfortmill Monday #30
These traitors...... flying-skeleton Monday #33

Javaman

(64,878 posts)
4. I guess you missed the part in my post
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:26 PM
Sunday

About 50 million Americans get fucked, though, huh?

Response to a kennedy (Reply #2)

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
31. +1
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:29 AM
Monday

People will be complaining about why they are paying money (for the tax penalty you have to pay for being uninsured) for a health insurance plan that is not affordable. People are overestimating the Democratic Party's intelligence and underestimating the Republicans. That seems to be a problem around here.

Response to Javaman (Original post)

Javaman

(64,878 posts)
6. Beginning of the end of ACA? It's dead.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:29 PM
Sunday

It’ll limp along until maybe the end of the year, but I see all funding for it cut off very very soon.

And if the repukes hold to their history, they’ll probably cut it right before Christmas. Just to add an extra fuck you for good measure

Arazi

(8,547 posts)
23. It's dead because millions of people will drop out
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:06 AM
Monday

The marketplace only survives with a large pool of participants to spread the risk.

High premiums will just lock millions out and it dies via attrition as insurance companies opt out of participating at any price

Lancero

(3,256 posts)
15. The sad thing is though, we'll more than have earned that blame.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:01 PM
Sunday

Trump spent every day of the shutdown blaming "The Democrats!" for it, while our repose was that it's a Republican majority and they could open the government back up whenever they so pleased.

...So now, here we have the government opening back up. Not because of the Republican majority getting their shit together and opening it... But because Democrats decided to vote in favor of opening it back up.

We just legitimized every bit of blame that Trump was laying at our feet.

hadEnuf

(3,457 posts)
17. Of course we'll be blamed for it. Fox Fake Propaganda will make sure of that.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:20 PM
Sunday

We have no microphone and the ones we do get to use once and a while have MAGATs controlling the volume on and off while we are speaking, as they laugh.

We are throwing rocks at tanks because we dismantled ours so we wouldn't "be like them".

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
32. Exactly
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:31 AM
Monday

The insurance will be too costly, and people will then have to pay the tax penalty for not carrying any insurance. And that is how Republicans will kill the ACA.

Silent Type

(11,959 posts)
7. Enhanced ACA beneficiaries will be screwed. SNAP continues now, as do paychecks, etc.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:29 PM
Sunday

We still have some GOPer support for enhanced ACA subsidies.

All 250 of our delegation should be on Capitol steps tomorrow call for ACA subsidies, PAYGO Waiver for automatic 4% Medicare cut, etc.

Think they’ll show up?

LuvLoogie

(8,404 posts)
9. Not another Capitol Steps pole dance.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:43 PM
Sunday

Performative bullshit.

Jeezuz what do I tell my daughters? This country sucks.

FHRRK

(1,302 posts)
8. And I will bet anyone $100
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:39 PM
Sunday

That Moses Mike won’t even bring ACA subsidies up for a clean vote.

Smirking ass will pull a Gingrich (contract with America) and weasel out.

Jack Valentino

(3,989 posts)
10. Maybe Jesus will take him home early,
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:43 PM
Sunday

(for a well-deserved trip to the woodshed!)


PRAISE THE LORD if that happens!

Hugin

(37,113 posts)
12. Even if it passes Tantrum Tito is sure to veto it.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:47 PM
Sunday

BOHICA’d twice. Once by a known enemy and then again by our own.

yourout

(8,649 posts)
11. This will be the death of the ACA.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:45 PM
Sunday

The next election the centerpiece needs to be a public option for Medicare.

roamer65

(37,811 posts)
14. It will be actually way cheaper for COBRA insurance for me if I get laid off.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 10:55 PM
Sunday

Let that sink in.

COBRA coverage will be only half of my estimated ACA premium.

I would run out COBRA then go without until Medicare.

OrwellwasRight

(5,305 posts)
16. It's this kind of thing that cements the idea that Democrats
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:03 PM
Sunday

Are feckless, lack commitment and backbone, don’t stand for anything, etc.

Honestly, when the reputation and popularity of the party is already so low, the last thing you do is just—overnight—cave in. Americans may love an underdog, but they love winners ever more. And they hate quitters.

Trump and the Republicans are the “winners” here. This capitulation will stain the party—everyone who carries a D after their name—even those who didn’t give up the fight.

Look, I agree the shutdown shouldn’t go on forever. But the better way to go should have been to find desperate Rs on the other side who were maybe ready to cave as well—and negotiate a deal with them. Both sides give something and everyone can claim a win. There is no explanation for this the general public will be able to understand. Why put them through the pain? It makes other people’s pain look like a game.

But as it is? Now it’s just a cluster. What was the shutdown for? Apparently, nothing. No way to spin this as a win. And so, will Federal employees be “grateful” the Democrats had their pay suspended for six weeks and got literally nothing out it? Will food stamp recipients be grateful? Will airlines customers? Will families on the ACA? What a disaster!

rampartd

(2,958 posts)
18. there have been vichy democrats forever.
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:47 PM
Sunday

trump is not bound by any deal his senators make,

i think we are occupied by a private equity scheme that is selling america's assets and will leave the liabilities , like us, in bankruptcy.

Onama Biden Man

(37 posts)
20. It's incredible how we went from such an emotional high last week to such a devastating letdown today
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:02 AM
Monday

The shutdown was killing Trump and the GOP. They continued to tank in the polls. We had them on the ropes and they were eventually going to be decimated politically as this went on. What do the senate democrats do? Completely capitulate to Trump and willingly hand over all leverage to him on a willing bended knee. It’s disgusting. These democrats have killed the ACA. I’m pretty sure Schumer was completely fine with it behind closed doors. How do you think Lyndon Johnson would have handled these turncoat democrats if he was minority leader?? It’s all so depressing. These traitors have screwed us all and have killed all of the momentum coming out of last week. Pathetic & depressing

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
21. And the healthcare system and American citizens will feel the pain.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:02 AM
Monday

When ACA is no longer, people will die because they don't get regular healthcare.

People who don't have healthcare will go back to using ER's for regular healthcare. It will take away from the emergency care system. The hospitals and communities will absorb the cost. Hospitals will fail.

Healthcare premiums will go up for all of us - those who can actually afford healthcare (at all) that is. The drain on the system will have collateral damage.

There was a reason the ACA was implemented.

Right now healthcare is mandatory, just as car insurance is mandatory. I guess those who go back to being without health care because it is not affordable will technically be breaking the law.
(
Correction: individual mandate struck down by SCOTUS. Thanks for the help standingtall.)

Taking away the ACA subsidies will result in a system-wide break down.

And most of all - people will die.

standingtall

(3,144 posts)
25. I thought the individual mandate in the ACA was struck down by the consevative supreme court
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:14 AM
Monday

I'm pretty sure it was. So no people without health insurance will not be breaking the law. Sadly everything else in your post is probably accurate.

AverageOldGuy

(3,152 posts)
24. Here's the Atlantic's take on the Democratic surrender
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:12 AM
Monday
Senate Democrats Just Made a Huge Mistake
The shutdown was hurting Trump. Ending it helps him.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2025/11/democrats-shutdown-mistake/684878/

Junipercity

(72 posts)
28. Quick! What do you do.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:27 AM
Monday

It can be tricky negotiating when someone has a knife to your throat. I speak from experience.

And I am speaking not just metaphorically, but as in this case, quite literally.

That m*therfu*ker is a stone cold psychopath. And he's wielding a knife. He has no intent of negotiating and the blade is beginning to bite.

Quick! What do you do.

flying-skeleton

(808 posts)
33. These traitors......
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:41 AM
Monday

These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️

I will donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️

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