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Pototan

(2,918 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:42 PM Sunday

We are the party of Government

Liberal Democrats gave us Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA and SNAP (Food Stamps). We believe that Government can make life sustainable for the poor and middle class.

Therefore, closing government and thinking Republicans give a fuck is delusional. Never mind closing the government, they would like to eliminate it.

So, what I'm saying is, for us to use shutting government down will always be a losing tactical decision for Democrats.

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standingtall

(3,144 posts)
1. When did the Democrats that actually gave us
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:48 PM
Sunday

Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid and Snap ever cave to republicans? Democrats today were handed all of those with the exception of the ACA from their predecessors and have been poor stewards of those programs by not willing to go to the ends of the earth to protect them as evident by caving on this shut down and getting absolutely nothing out of it.

Pototan

(2,918 posts)
4. They accomplished all that
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:53 PM
Sunday

by holding huge majorities and controlling all branches of government.

We can do it again, but only by winning elections.

standingtall

(3,144 posts)
6. We are not going to do that by betraying our base over and over again.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:00 AM
Monday

Earlier Democrats won those majorities, because people felt the full consequences of conservative policies which is what it will take again. By the time Trump is gone we will be lucky if any of those programs are left at all.

Cirsium

(3,141 posts)
11. It works the other way around
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:25 AM
Monday

Stand for something, and they will get elected. That works. "Elect us and then we'll stand for something" doesn't.

Egwinsi

(67 posts)
2. We know the GOP is evil
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:49 PM
Sunday

The point is that unless and until people feel actual consequences, people will not move on their political positions. The difference between keeping the government closed and opening it back up is the difference between a slow burn and ripping a bandaid off.

Democrats were not being blamed on the whole for the shutdown and we got absolutely zero concessions. This was not a crisis for Democrats to solve.

Pototan

(2,918 posts)
5. What's our alternative
Sun Nov 9, 2025, 11:57 PM
Sunday

Stay home to punish the Democrats? And let the Repukes win more seats?

We have to win at least one branch of government and only voters can make us do that.

FHRRK

(1,302 posts)
10. For me personally and others who live in deep blue states
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:06 AM
Monday

Like CA, MA, NY, WA, OR, there will come a point we many let the others fail and focus solely on our States and what is needed to live in a functioning Democracy.

We have a President withholding funds to our States, we pay in more than we receive, so there will be a breaking point.

fujiyamasan

(948 posts)
7. Then why bother fighting in the first place?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:01 AM
Monday

People need to understand the consequences. The need to feel the pain.

Besides, which party is actually in power? How fucked up is it, when a majority party can escape consequence over bad policy and hostage taking tactics?

Democrats should have forced the GOP to go nuclear. That was the only option. I’m just seeing a bunch of cowards in government that know they won’t pull the trigger, because well… politics.

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